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50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby Amaranthine » Dec 8th, '12, 07:52

50 Cent's fifth studio album, Street King Immortal, will be released early next year. It's his first record in nearly four years, since 2009's Before I Self Destruct, his lowest-selling project to date.

Despite this, 50 Cent remains a hip-hop superstar, and he's stayed in the news, publicly feuding with boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and rapper French Montana. He's also collaborated with rising Chicago artist Chief Keef, who infamously skipped out on the video shoot for single "Hate Being Sober," abandoning 50 and Wiz Khalifa on a video set in the desert.

We spoke with 50 about his next album's delays, the major success of his new single with Adam Levine and Eminem, and how much hip-hop has changed since his he hit the scene with his breakout work in the late '90s and early 2000s.

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What are you trying to accomplish with "My Life," your new single with Eminem and Adam Levine?

I recorded that record almost two years ago. That was with me and Adam [Levine]. We worked together and I got him to record the vocals for the chorus. My portion of the song was written and then I flew to Detroit and got Eminem to do his portion. He had a few ideas for songs for this album for me. He had started writing portions of those other records because they had choruses built on it. It felt like those hit records that Em was making at the time. It had those real pretty choruses on them.

I was predicting what people [would say] based on the time period. Because it’s been three years since I released my last record, that they would say, “You fell off. You never had anything marketed or promoted for three years.” And them not understanding [that it's] because it’s my final contract requirement. Contractually, if you go through an audit process and if you find things where you haven’t been paid, it’s a process for legal to actually write the check. You can’t deliver the record in between that time period. You got to wait until it’s completely dealt with. Now that it’s done, I can launch.


Contractually, if you go through an audit process and if you find things where you haven’t been paid, it’s a process for legal to actually write the check. You can’t deliver the record in between that time period. You got to wait until it’s completely dealt with. Now that it’s done, I can launch.


It’s an interesting thing, because the first record, the “New Day” song, that song Dr. Dre originally produced for Detox and sent it with a chorus that was written by the girl, and she’s a talented writer too, it’s off the tip of my tongue—she wrote a lot of Rihanna's hit records...

Ester Dean?

Yep, Ester Dean. It had the chorus that Ester Dean wrote and he sent it to Alicia Keys, and Alicia re-wrote it and sent it back with the “New Day” vocals. And because she sat on the production for so long, they revisited it. Swizz Beatz re-produced the record, did everything over originally and they ended up putting the song out. So you heard “New Day” released as a full Alicia Keys song before you heard the version of it that was a 50 Cent record featuring Dr. Dre.

That song went out as the first record because the record leaked. We was really playing catch-up, because the song went out, and they’re like, “Don’t lose the record, just put your version out.” You see what I’m saying? So we put “New Day” out first. But if I released in order that I intended it, it would have been “My Life,” then potentially the “New Day” record.

As you said, “My Life” definitely sounds something like what Eminem was doing a year or two ago. Do you feel like it's gotten a good response despite the delay?

It’ll get an excellent response, but what it does, what’s different between “My Life” and those [Eminem] records that you heard [back then] is me being conscious of making a rap record. I went back, I got what I felt was a more vintage breakbeat sound for the drum pattern. It had that vibe, so I thought that was the right thing, and then we added the strings to it to make it feel closer to that record.

This is the first record that came out that is the closest thing to what should be played on all formats at one time. It’s that rap record that should be played at mix shows, urban radio, and it’s the record that should be played on Top 40 and Crossover at the same time, with the participation of Adam Levine and Eminem on the song.

That reminds me, I talked to Ne-Yo earlier this year and he was saying something similar about his own career, that he aims for an all-format approach. Is that something you’re trying to do on most of the records, or is that something specific to this single?

Well, that’s specifically for this record ["My Life"]. For my core audience, they’re anticipating things from me that shouldn’t be played on Top 40 and Crossover radio. They’re really passionate about the material that reflects the dysfunctional behavior and the environment that I grew up in. So of course I offered it in a different way, and I think it’s a more creative approach to articulate, and I think everyone will appreciate it because of how well it was actually done. I’ve had a lot of time to think this record out. Nothing really happens in a spur of the moment. it’s all well thought-out.

And to have the record be No. 1 on iTunes 12 hours after the release of it? It’s exciting. You get people who have records go No. 1 when they release it to iTunes, but this was after they launched the record for weeks. But when you launch a record that day and six hours later and it’s No. 1 on iTunes, it’s a whole other thing. That’s saying the general public wants it, so that should be a clear indication to the radio that they should be playing it.

One of my favorite records that you’ve released in the past couple years was “Wait Until Tonight.” That reminded me of the stuff you did earlier on where it was as much about songwriting as it was about rapping.

It seems like now that people aren’t using superproducers the same way they used back in the early 2000s, that songwriting seems more important for rappers. Do you think that’s true? You’re not just punching in a hot 16 and leaving.

Yeah. You got a lot of guys that make records and everything’s done for you before you get there. The producer actually made the record. It has a sample playing and a chorus, you did your verse, you have three other rappers that generate interest from different demographics rap behind you and it’s done. Those records, they’re good too because sometimes those are the things that you don’t have to think about. You hear it, you go, "Okay, I know what it is," and you just party to it. There’s no substance to it that makes you stop and think.

“Wait Until Tonight,” for me that’s a representation of what I fell in love with in the beginning of me enjoying hip-hop culture. With the actual writers, it’s [from] when we watch each other and see what we offer and try and top it. It was about being competitive, not just going back and forth arguing with each other. Now they think being competitive is beefing. But they didn’t use that terminology until after the Biggie and 2Pac situation went bad. They would have called it battling prior to that. They think that’s being competitive, saying something about someone else, not actually making a record that impacts.

I’ll focus on the record because that’s what I do. After the fact I hear all the details, all the different things people saying, and all it does it make me say, "Let me make sure that this record is bulletproof." It’s just so solid that whoever feels I’m not relevant or I’m out of pocket, they won’t feel comfortable saying it when so many people are saying it’s good. And with one song, you shift it, you turn it around.

That’s been every artist’s album cycle. In the past they would wait, like with Nas and all of them. They would put out an album and then wait, then they would put out another album. They didn’t keep consistent content flowing. In today’s time, an artist will release a record then release a mixtape, then have material where he’s on five other records with other artists, and then release his new mixtape, and off of that tape he found the first single for his next album. There’s no gaps. Everyone stays in the front of the audience as much as possible.

Yeah. That reminds me of one of your quotes that’s stuck with me since you said it earlier this year. You said that the game is completely different now than how you remember it. That hip-hop has changed so much.


What you were thinking about exactly. What do you think is different now? It seemed like you saw the change as a bad thing.

Well, it can be considered negative if you’re not willing to make the adjustments, but it has changed. We’re following trends a lot more than we used to. We used to allow someone entry into the actual culture, and it would be theirs. Authenticity meant a lot. For you to offer something from your perspective or from your experience that someone else couldn’t do because they haven’t had that happen in their lives, that’s gone. Now it’s like, that guy will write my song. I’ll write the record from that guy or for something else. Like, you have to watch it. They say, "Let’s make the hit record that they want to hear." It doesn’t even matter if it’s coming from a real place.


We’re following trends a lot more than we used to. We used to allow someone entry into the actual culture, and it would be theirs. Authenticity meant a lot. That’s gone.


I’ve had success every time I offer vulnerability because they see me a certain way. The first time I did it was on “Hate It or Love It.” I wasn’t sure that they actually wanted to hear that from me at the time so I put it on Game’s album. And it ended up selling his album five million records that cycle. “How We Do,” “Hate It or Love It,” “Special,” “Higher,” “Church For Thugs”—when your first three singles are records that I wrote, that’s why I say I sold it five million copies.

When you get to this point, the “My Life” record, it has that confusion again. Confusion would be the most vulnerable state for an artist because you just don’t know where you’re really at creatively. So I just did a recap to remind people what it feels like from my perspective. I said, “Sold like 40 million records, people forgot what I did.” In the cycle of entertainment, entertainers go up, and everyone enjoys the process of watching them come down because I guess at that point when they’re up, they flawless.

And by no means are they flawless even when you see them in a good space because they have people around them that have a sense of entitlement. It can’t be met. There’s always a new problem, there’s always a new negative energy coming from somewhere like, “I can’t believe this is coming from you!” The people you experience it from, it makes you say, "Wow." It does kind of harden you. It makes you insensitive on some levels because you don’t care about another person’s energy when it gets to that point. To protect yourself you begin to have a tunnel vision where you start to proceed toward your actual goals and not really allow yourself to be satisfied by how someone else feels.

If you just use social networking as an example, a Twitter, the negative things that people will say randomly, if you took those things it would probably break you down to the point where you’re uncertain or unsure. You got the blind following the blind then. In the past everyone didn’t have...the way they felt about a song, it mattered. They heard it for the first time, if they didn’t understand it or get it the very first time they heard it, after they played it so many times and knew all the words to the song they would say, “I do like this song.” They didn’t have an opportunity to play with someone else’s thought process or make someone feel like they’re uncertain about it before it actually grew on them.

Now with social networking, the person that’s in a gray area or confused if they like the song or not, they’re going, “I don’t like this record, it could have been better but it’s not.” It puts a negative energy around it, and then another guy reads his comment and follows him. And they say the same thing, “I miss the old 50.”

Then everyone goes along with that.

Yeah! If I’m exactly like the old 50 at this point, that means I didn’t grow. It would be a tragedy if you were the same person that you were 10 years ago. It would mean that you simply fell behind. You’re not learning anything. You’re not wiser or more experienced in different territories and 10 years passed? You just fell behind. What’s cool about that?

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Re: 50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby Francesco » Dec 8th, '12, 13:14

Great read :y: Thanks a lot!

50 is one of the smartest cats out there & he truly is a genius businessman. Unfortunately label politics have held him down here & there so I really hope ''SKI'' does not have more delays 'cuz that would be more than idiotic at this point.

This time he mentioned Em was having pre done songs for 50 which suppose to be on Em's next album & I really hope at least one of them is gonna make the cut 'cuz ''Recovery'' was all great but 50 not been on it felt like a bad thing to me considering Em & 50 history, charisma & all that.

50's interviews are educational on many levels, I wish people paid more attention to 'em 'cuz 50 always says the truth.

This Em & 50 album gotta happen... interest for it is gonna be bananas. It might feel like I'm going bonkers but I start to feel like at this point/stage of their careers Em & 50 collabo album is gonna hype the hell outta ish so bad that it'd feel like Em's next solo one can't do it the same way.

Bring it the fuck on y'all!
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Postby AbramIsaac » Dec 8th, '12, 14:29

I don't really get down with 50 Cent's albums, but the man is intelligent.

His perspective is always interesting to me.
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Re: 50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby EminemBase » Dec 8th, '12, 14:51

No they wouldn't say you fell off because you didn't release anything for three years 50. They do say that you have fallen off, because you're a bad rapper.

And you are like old 50, 50! your bank balance is the only thing that's grown.
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Re: 50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby Francesco » Dec 8th, '12, 15:57

EminemBase wrote:No they wouldn't say you fell off because you didn't release anything for three years 50. They do say that you have fallen off, because you're a bad rapper.

And you are like old 50, 50! your bank balance is the only thing that's grown.


Were you actually talking to 50? :confusion:

Unlike him you're the same sad person as before & most likely your bank balance has gone down.

Why don't you just give up & stop being ridiculous & predictable... your comments about 50 Cent are like Amadeo & MikeNUFC doing a review to Em's new material. Same old boring, sad & pathetic reach out to nowhere over & over again, in the name of feeding your ego fucked up by complexes.

Have you asked yourself a question why your corny web site you use to promote really hard here is so bad & why there are either noone or 2 people commenting to your posts there? It's because you're lame individual who can't even see how bad he is.

50 Cent is by no means a bad rapper, maybe by a Brit geek standards, but not for rappers' standards & he's still Eminem's biggest artist today, always was & will always be actually. Get over it, 50 is gonna always be 50 & you are gonna always be you.

Stick to doing threads with misleading titles 'cuz attention whoring is something that actually fits you better.
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Postby Trimss » Dec 8th, '12, 17:10

LOL Rev no. GRODT is also dope as fuck.
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Re: 50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby Francesco » Dec 8th, '12, 18:35

Revolutionary wrote:LOL, you call everyone a geek! Someone's having a hard time in school.

50 is a terrible rapper, only good album by him was Power Of The Dollar.


Nah I only call people geeks when they are actually geeks, nerds & dorks ... you got what I mean I guess. I never had troubles in school which is in the past as I have a University bachelor degree... I was a professional athlete at 17 so I couldn't even have troubles anyway but that's way off topic.

Well if you don't like 50, it does not make him a terrible rapper, esp. since he's got the recognition by many very important people in hip-hop. The only negative thing you could say about 50 is he's not too lyrical but still qualify as a bad lyricist rather plain rapper. If you knew the hip-hop culture better you'd know that there's a lot more than pure lyricism & you have to judge more precise before you call a rapper terrible. There are plenty of legends in hip-hop who were never lyrical & if 50's terrible half of hip-hop's recognized legends gotta be that as well. Which is way wrong.
He's got too many hits & too many great songs in general, his hooks are out of this world, he brought hip-hop to a whole 'nother level, statistically his label is one of the greatest label of all time commercially, etc. etc.. Calling 50 Cent a terrible rapper makes your opinion really wrong, even though I don't mind it.

"TPOTD'' is not the only good album, he actually doesn't even have a bad album so far, his albums were mostly put on blast for been too soft or that 50 didn't evolve as an artist with every next one (the ones after ''GRODT'') but only people who don't like him would say they are terrible. Plus not putting ''GRODT'' as a good album is more than ridiculous, esp. since in your next post you call it a BANGER. ''BISD'' was actually well received & was a good album overall, check it out if you haven't. If you think ''The Massacre'' & ''Curtis'' are terrible too, then you really don't know hip-hop well or you're just on the hate wagon.

I just have to tell you initially the ''Back down'' beat was given to Rakim & the ''In the club'' beat was given to Em but after 50 touched them, Rah & Em just couldn't have them anymore 'cuz 50 literally murdered those 2 beats for eternity.
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Re: 50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby Francesco » Dec 9th, '12, 00:17

InsaneTRex94 wrote:In The Club was given to D12, Eminem never rapped on it, it was Swifty, Kuniva and Proof who rapped on it.

This thread reminds me, I should re-download POTD.


"In da club'' was given to Em obviously 'cuz Em works with Dre & LA, plus Em the one on Aftermath & that's why Dre gives beats to him or his other artists. People say Em never recorded on it but there was a rumor he recorded on it while still in LA. It's tricky 'cuz 50 made it ''In the club'' while the other rappers who might have recorded on it might have had all the way different lyrics & title.
On another note D12 is a Shady act & they work with Em in Detroit & that's where he has passed the beat to them afterward but noone couldn't touch it after 50 murdered it anyway. As a matter a fact D12 recorded on the ''Back down'' beat their version ''Smack down'' but still initially this was for Rakim's ''Oh my God''
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Postby NextEpisode » Dec 9th, '12, 13:50

Hating on 50 get's you mad rep on here. Jump on the bandwagon, folks.
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Re: 50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby Francesco » Dec 9th, '12, 15:37

Revolutionary wrote:
NextEpisode wrote:Hating on 50 get's you mad rep on here. Jump on the bandwagon, folks.

No.
My opinion on 50's music never changed, I did use to think he was great, but that was back when I was 14.

@fransesco....To each their own, I don't like 50's music as much as you do, is there a problem with that?

I'm not hating as you guys might think, I just don't like his music very much and him not being a good rapper can be argued if you really think he's good.


You could like/dislike any rapper all you want & I'm fine with it, I said it when I addressed what you said up there. You are confused & contradict yourself most of the time which make it really complicated to talk to you so I won't do it no more.
I only explained to you that you not liking 50 does not make him TERRIBLE rapper, 'cuz that's what you said. Still I don't mind it even if you thought he was & expressed your opinion on it anyway but I shouldn't have bothered 'cuz in one post you don't even put ''GRODT'' as a good album & you put it as BANGER in your next.
Honestly, your opinion is your opinion & I respect it but it really is a waste of time for me to be debating on whatever with you so I'll just move on.
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Re: 50 Cent Talks Working With Em, Falling Off, Social Media

Postby EminemBase » Dec 9th, '12, 16:13

francesco wrote:
EminemBase wrote:No they wouldn't say you fell off because you didn't release anything for three years 50. They do say that you have fallen off, because you're a bad rapper.

And you are like old 50, 50! your bank balance is the only thing that's grown.


Were you actually talking to 50? :confusion:

Unlike him you're the same sad person as before & most likely your bank balance has gone down.

Why don't you just give up & stop being ridiculous & predictable... your comments about 50 Cent are like Amadeo & MikeNUFC doing a review to Em's new material. Same old boring, sad & pathetic reach out to nowhere over & over again, in the name of feeding your ego fucked up by complexes.

Have you asked yourself a question why your corny web site you use to promote really hard here is so bad & why there are either noone or 2 people commenting to your posts there? It's because you're lame individual who can't even see how bad he is.

50 Cent is by no means a bad rapper, maybe by a Brit geek standards, but not for rappers' standards & he's still Eminem's biggest artist today, always was & will always be actually. Get over it, 50 is gonna always be 50 & you are gonna always be you.

Stick to doing threads with misleading titles 'cuz attention whoring is something that actually fits you better.


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No, he isn't. 50 is a really bad lyricist and rapper. And artist. Poor rhymes, poor flows, poor ideas with no, or embarrassing wit. And very repetitive, uncreative content.

It's not even just about lyrics as you keep saying, he's awful in almost every department. He does have a grasp of melody and used to create good hooks and even sometimes still can, but doesn't do that much anymore either. But his ideas are... nothing. It's LITERALLY just 'money. guns. bitches'. Not even an exaggeration. And done with zero creativity.
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