lol

[classthe_king]

But yeah, I do agree that he incorporated punchlines to do what the cool kids were doing. If you want to call that selling out, sure...you might have to call every mainstream rapper a sell-out too though.

I see selling out as changing what you want to do to do what's popular. So yeah, I would consider that selling out and I would also call any mainstream rapper that adopted the Lil Wayne esq punchlines as selling out.

And I'm not saying selling out is a bad thing. J. Cole sold out on Cole World and Lupe sold out on Lasers but they're still both two of my favorite artists.

Actually yes I am, I would prefer they hadn't sold out but it's not a deal breaker.

[CrashBand]

But yeah, I do agree that he incorporated punchlines to do what the cool kids were doing. If you want to call that selling out, sure...you might have to call every mainstream rapper a sell-out too though.

I see selling out as changing what you want to do to do what's popular. So yeah, I would consider that selling out and I would also call any mainstream rapper that adopted the Lil Wayne esq punchlines as selling out.

And I'm not saying selling out is a bad thing. J. Cole sold out on Cole World and Lupe sold out on Lasers but they're still both two of my favorite artists.

Actually yes I am, I would prefer they hadn't sold out but it's not a deal breaker.

Selling out is bad, everything else being equal. But it doesn't necessarily make the music bad.

[classthe_king]

I've seen WBD played on a couple commercials and it was played at Ohio State football games and judging from this site a lot of people have said that it's a good song to work out to, so it fulfills it's purpose as a pump up song.

[CrashBand]

I think he choose Rihanna and Pink to make a good song as opposed to just chucking them on a hook to sell records.

I was just meaning there is evidence that Eminem sold out in general. And there was also a motive for him to sell out - Relapse wasn't anywhere near as well received as he was used to or expecting.

[classthe_king]

So you don't think working with pop stars to make his record better is selling out?

[CrashBand]

So you don't think working with pop stars to make his record better is selling out?

Not if the reason to put them on was to make a good song that he wanted to make. Which I think is the case.

Edit: I think you could have a case with Bruno Mars. Although, I think that was Royce pushing for it big time.

[classthe_king]

So you don't think working with pop stars to make his record better is selling out?

Not if the reason to put them on was to make a good song that he wanted to make. Which I think is the case.

I think he did it because he wanted to make a good song so that it would be more popular because he thought Relapse wasn't received well because it wasn't good.

[classthe_king]

I just think "Oh I can't make a good song on my own, I need to these pop stars to be on it" and "Oh look at Lil Wayne doing all these punchlines, I should do them too" are both selling out

[CrashBand]

If he didn't want to do them or didn't think they were good, then yes.

But that's not really the case, unfortunately.