one of Jay-Z's few missteps

[classthe_king]

Why should Jay-Z care about making dope verses anymore? He's insanely rich, has an amazing wife and has a kid now. If he just wants to relax and have fun with making music he can. Not everyone is trying to make groundbreaking stuff.

We're criticizing music, we don't care whether the person is trying or not.
If it's shit, we'll say it's shit, if it's great, we'll say it's great.

Being rich and happy should not affect our opinions on music.

But you're criticizing music for not being something it's not trying to be.

[classthe_king]

Why should Jay-Z care about making dope verses anymore? He's insanely rich, has an amazing wife and has a kid now. If he just wants to relax and have fun with making music he can. Not everyone is trying to make groundbreaking stuff.

This applies to EM as well, minus the GF/Wife part.

Except he is trying to make dope verses and trying to rap his best.

[Ticalrecords]

have yall found any other wack small stuff in jay-z's dope songs? i mean songs that are great except for one or two bars - like you listen and think he cud have said that better. this could also go for eminem too. it doesn't happen often

[Blu]

Can a topic talking about Jay-Z remain talking about Jay-Z? No need to bring up Em in every thread.

[RoleModel'Est96]

Jay might not have the best rhymes but his content makes up for it.

And you're an idiot who thinks content means anything in a song. It doesn't matter what you rap about it, it's how you rap about it.

Actually, isn't it both...?

[Kill You]

Blueprint 3

[classthe_king]

Why should Jay-Z care about making dope verses anymore? He's insanely rich, has an amazing wife and has a kid now. If he just wants to relax and have fun with making music he can. Not everyone is trying to make groundbreaking stuff.

Precisely my point. He should just retire and fuck Beyonce. His rapping sucks dick.

His motives for rapping badly are irrelevant. The point is...his rapping is bad. Anyone who thinks he's actually good is an idiot.

Exactly, but no ones making anyone listen to it. He just likes to make fun verses that are chill to listen to. Somebody has to make music to party to.

And I don't think he's being valued for laziness. I think it's always been obvious that Jay-Z raps for money and Eminem raps because he loves it and wants to be the best.

[RoleModel'Est96]

Why should Jay-Z care about making dope verses anymore? He's insanely rich, has an amazing wife and has a kid now. If he just wants to relax and have fun with making music he can. Not everyone is trying to make groundbreaking stuff.

Precisely my point. He should just retire and fuck Beyonce. His rapping sucks dick.

His motives for rapping badly are irrelevant. The point is...his rapping is bad. Anyone who thinks he's actually good is an idiot.

Exactly, but no ones making anyone listen to it. He just likes to make fun verses that are chill to listen to. Somebody has to make music to party to.

And I don't think he's being valued for laziness. I think it's always been obvious that Jay-Z raps for money and Eminem raps because he loves it and wants to be the best.

Agreed. I actually think it was with and interview with Em where he said making music for the club is cool, there simply just needs to be a balance.

I don't care what others are gonna think but Hov is easily in my top 5, or near it at least...

[classthe_king]

Exactly, but no ones making anyone listen to it.

Of course. I have the option not to listen to the music, but I'm listening, and I'm responding on the internet. You have the option of not reading my posts, but you're reading, and responding on the internet. Comments like these just discourage dialogue/discussion all together.

Everybody has the option of not commenting on things.

The reason I listen is because I respect and admire Jay Z's old work like I do Eminem, and wanna see if both can come up with some good stuff.

I'm not saying you can't comment but you're commenting from the wrong perspective. He's not making music that is meant to be "good" in any sort of technical sense.

[classthe_king]

Then you know you're not coming from the right perspective. You're looking for something that you know isn't there and then getting mad and calling him bad when it isn't there. His music is good if you're at a party or at the club just having a good time, which is what he was going for.

[classthe_king]

Well people who think that are stupid....

And you can't prove that God doesn't exist.

[SajN]

And don't start talking about whether God exists or not in this thread, thank you.

[Ticalrecords]

loll, i agree bp3 is pretty half assed. and he does say dumb stuff like "no breaks i need statefarm/ so many watches i need eight arms" - which i'm not quite sure where the sequitor is, f it.

actually, i'd like the guy shitting on the later part of hova's career to point out some specific lyrics to show why he's fallen off so bad. i started ya off w the opening lines from who gon stop me. lets see how far we get loll

[Blu]

Amadeo, I'd like to know what is "quality lyricism" to you? Obviously we have different understandings of what quality lyrics are, so please…enlighten me.

[classthe_king]

Jay-Z's career is like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZ0fWkAghA

More than a few missteps.

I think his career is doing just fine