BET 2011 Cypher - Now

[EminemBase]

Well, I think Em thought he had figured out formulas for success in the new mainstream after Recovery, and thought it'd be as simple as applying those sounds and principles to their projects... I don't think he quite realizes how much it's HIS appeal and lyricism which has to do with it, it's not about tricking audiences or blending everything together to repeat the past... hopefully, they've all learned from it.

[TheGentlePlayer]

They signed to Shady Records and Em gave them some advise on making some songs for the radio. Hope Skylars album don't face the same thing.

[Trimss]

Yela is definitely one of the most original rapper, and he's underrated as fuck. I saw a lot of people praising him for his verse on 1train.

Love Story will be such a great album man..

[cheeseburger]

Yela is definitely one of the most original rapper, and he's underrated as fuck. I saw a lot of people praising him for his verse on 1train.

Love Story will be such a great album man..

Yeah I think there will be quite alot of songs like The Way I Am, talking about label issues, fighting haters that show up at your tourbus etc.
I cant wait

[EminemBase]

Well, I think Em thought he had figured out formulas for success in the new mainstream after Recovery, and thought it'd be as simple as applying those sounds and principles to their projects... I don't think he quite realizes how much it's HIS appeal and lyricism which has to do with it, it's not about tricking audiences or blending everything together to repeat the past... hopefully, they've all learned from it.

Well, Yelawolf's learned from it, and I'm glad, because I've been listening to all his shit pre-RadioActive a lot recently, and the Psycho White EP. He's a fucking maniac! I don't think SH has though. I have a feeling they're gonna keep doing the bullshit they've been doing. I just can't fucking take them seriously anymore.

Yela definitely has and beyond just aiming for no compromise this time... he's said some things I've been thinking and wishing my favourite aritsts would say for years, so I'm really excited about where he's going next. And yeah he's been amazing since Radioactive.

Both Slumdon Bridge and Psycho White... his performances on both is stellar.

[TRShitty]

Here's the problem with piggybacking on the Recovery sound:

The Recovery sound was not good.

It was an OKAY ALRIGHT album. Nobody was looking for an instrumental version of Recovery.

Eminem doesn't have a "great ear for beats." He makes mediocre beats sound good through sheer talent. (Or at least he used to.)

You know who has a "great ear for beats"? Rick Ross. Every time he puts out an album, hundreds of rappers freestyle over the instrumentals....because they're dope as f-ck. (No, I'm not saying RIck Ross is great, I'm saying he has a great ear for beats, which is why his mediocre ass is relevant and sells more albums than more talented lyricists consistently.)

Recovery was good in spite of the production, not because of it.

[EminemBase]

Here's the problem with piggybacking on the Recovery sound:

The Recovery sound was not good.

It was an OKAY ALRIGHT album. Nobody was looking for an instrumental version of Recovery.

Eminem doesn't have a "great ear for beats." He makes mediocre beats sound good through sheer talent. (Or at least he used to.)

You know who has a "great ear for beats"? Rick Ross. Every time he puts out an album, hundreds of rappers freestyle over the instrumentals....because they're dope as f-ck. (No, I'm not saying RIck Ross is great, I'm saying he has a great ear for beats, which is why his mediocre ass is relevant and sells more albums than more talented lyricists consistently.)

Recovery was good in spite of the production, not because of it.

Hmm, well, I definitely would call Recovery a lot better than 'okay alright'.

You mean the production alone though right? I agree with that.

When trying to gauge a feeling on it, it can leave you with that impression but I think that's from, well the production as you say... but everytime I listen to it again I'm like "wow". The songs and his performances on each song are mostly so strong, it's a really solid album...

As for him having a bad ear for beats... I'm not sure about that, The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP have great beats and he either picked them or co-produced them, and I think the beats on The Eminem Show are fantastic and he produced them all. I just think he has a very particular sound and only he, Bass Bros and Dre have been accustom to making music to fill that space... when he gets beats from outside producers he tends to want to add shit or tweak them himself too which results in it being over produced and clashy. He should just stick to rapping over his own beats.

[classthe_king]

I really liked the Cypher and loved it alot...dont get me wrong...just check out the older threads.

I just think EM n Budden had many lines that made me be like Damn....as where the other ones didn't...maybe a cpl lines...Royce was funny I agree.

Dude, ur not aloud to say Budden is boring here...u should no that by now...maybe ur aloud, I know I am not...cuz it causes a shit storm.

Do you honestly not know the difference between aloud and allowed? And you wonder why I can't wrap my mind around you not being 14....

[Trimss]

Just heard the cypher again.. Holy shit, they all fucking went in. Joell should've rapped with his fast/angry style but I can understand he didn't because people would've said he and Yela were too similar.

Everyone fucking killed it. This is honestly the biggest, most epic cypher BET ever had. And people were so disappointed because the shady crew wasn't here this year.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Paul happened

[Trimss]

Paul happened

Paul is Eminem's manager, he's not Slaughterhouse's or Yelawolf's so that totally irrelevant.

I think Shady 2.0 should be the "bad" guys in the industry you know? They sounded all so raw and mean in that cypher. They shouldn't do some heavy pop they should be doing some dark stuff.

Like really being the beastly hordes Eminem was about to unleash. I don't know if that makes any sense but fuck it.

[Kill You]

Paul happened

Paul is Eminem's manager, he's not Slaughterhouse's or Yelawolf's so that totally irrelevant.

I think Shady 2.0 should be the "bad" guys in the industry you know? They sounded all so raw and mean in that cypher. They shouldn't do some heavy pop they should be doing some dark stuff.

Like really being the beastly hordes Eminem was about to unleash. I don't know if that makes any sense but fuck it.

I thought this way too. I figured that Shady Records would be the lyrical killers, the bad boys. The ones who rap about raw shit. I really hope they realize that people want material as good as their Cypher together. We want them killing shit. We have no interest in hearing them over ADK-esque beats and rapping about their problems like every other fucking rapper in the game.

[Blu]

When you're a manager and you have an artist that is going to help a group of other artists make their first commercial record, it's best you oversee everything as well. Paul was there with Em from the start, giving him tips on what to do with his albums and how far he should really go. Of course Em had control over how he wanted his album to sound, just like how Slaughterhouse felt, but Paul was always in the background keeping things in check. Just like he did with WT:OH.

I'm assuming since Em was the guy the crew looked up to, Paul gave him insight on what HE liked and told Em to tell Slaughterhouse that it would somehow benefit the album, even if Em wasn't completely okay with the idea.