my opinion on hiphop

[tadpole25]

IMO, if quality over time were graphed, it would be a bell curve.

The 80's were good (for the time), the 90's were the best and the 2000's were ehh (because we were spoiled by 90's music).

The standards were low in the 80's. Anyone who could do multi's in the 80's towered above the rest. If you took some of the average-to-good acts of this decade and put them in the 80's, they would be great too. if you took busta rhymes and you put him in 1985, he mightve been one of the all time greats easily.

i'll even make a really controversial claim: even rick ross in 1985 would have been considered a great rapper. but definitely not now.

rakim, run dmc, nwa, etc. profoundly influenced a lot, but their rhyming wasn't above what we had in the 90's.

well you could say without them there would be no jay z or nas. but i could also say that without Chuck Berry, there probably wouldn't have been rap either.

actually, we're even seeing today, that a lot of the old "Greats" are coming up short today because they haven't changed much compared to the constantly changing standards.

i think now in the 2000's most of what worked in the 80's and 90's has gotten stale. and there's a big need for innovation that just hasn't come. someone who figures out what hiphop is missing (like Eminem in the early 2000's) could do very well.

[Spyder]

id argue rap would be here without chuck berry

they both branched from blues, so without chuck there may be no Rock. but rap would have evoled from poetry and blues...

[tadpole25]

id argue rap would be here without chuck berry

they both branched from blues, so without chuck there may be no Rock. but rap would have evoled from poetry and blues...

but my point still stands. ever music had a previous influence. without sugarhill and gmaster flash, there would be no nas, but do we rank them above nas?

[Blu]

Interesting point you made about the Busta Rhymes/Rick Ross thing. Never thought about that

[Kill You]

I think the early 2000's were good...then idk, 2005 came around and all the shitty albums started dropping.

[Ticalrecords]

i'll even make a really controversial claim: even rick ross in 1985 would have been considered a great rapper. but definitely not now.
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i was about to tell you your wrong, but then i realized back in 1985 they didn't have the internet, so they def didn't have the smoking gun to track that sort of nonsense out. but i think eventually we would have found out the truth. plus, back in the day gangbanging was a serious issue so they may taken issue with him anyway loll. but you make a good point. i believe the decline started with hip hop officially becoming mainstream, but if it never became mainstream, half of us would have never heard of it, so... I can't really say I'd have wanted it to stay an unaccepted profession.

[King Lance]

hip hop is good now with these new artists going mainstream : a$ap rocky, kendrick lamar, Macklemore...
Hopefully they can influence the other artists like Eminem, Jay-z, etc because they proved that you don't need to compromise on your album to be successfull

[Trimss]

hip hop is good now with these new artists going mainstream : a$ap rocky, kendrick lamar, Macklemore...
Hopefully they can influence the other artists like Eminem, Jay-z, etc because they proved that you don't need to compromise on your album to be successfull

What? Ur Saying these newer rappers are going to influence Jay and EM wtf!

They should though. Kendrick and Macklemore are living proof that you can sell without having pop stars on your hook and crappy beats. That's why we hope they could influence Jay and Em, who seem to follow trends and what the audience likes nowadays.

They should do their own thing.

[tadpole25]

asap rocky good?

is this a joke - i heard fuckin problems and his verse was a trainwreck (but kendricks was good)

[Blu]

Because currently, the "King of Hip Hop" is releasing mediocre verses.

[Blu]

It doesn't matter who the verse is for...when will you people understand that.

Until Em dies, he will have to keep fighting to keep his title as GOAT (or unless he decided to retire).

[Blu]

It doesn't matter who the verse is for...when will you people understand that.

Until Em dies, he will have to keep fighting to keep his title as GOAT (or unless he decided to retire).

Em could quit today and he'll still be considered the greatest, no one will ever top what he's become.

I agree he could quit today and be considered a GOAT, but that doesn't mean he's excused from all the shit verses he's been releasing.

[King Lance]

hip hop is good now with these new artists going mainstream : a$ap rocky, kendrick lamar, Macklemore...
Hopefully they can influence the other artists like Eminem, Jay-z, etc because they proved that you don't need to compromise on your album to be successfull

What? Ur Saying these newer rappers are going to influence Jay and EM wtf!

They should though. Kendrick and Macklemore are living proof that you can sell without having pop stars on your hook and crappy beats. That's why we hope they could influence Jay and Em, who seem to follow trends and what the audience likes nowadays.

They should do their own thing.

None of these are valid arguments to say that EM n JAY need to be influenced by a$ap rocky, kendrick lamar and Macklemore...

EM n JAY don't need to prove anything, they both have already proved themselves...everything else they release is a bonus for us fans, they just need to continue making good music as they both can, especially EM....Relapse and Recovery are great examples of how EM can make great enjoyable and replay value music.

The word sales and Eminem makes no sense unless ur bragging about his record sales.

Pretty sure Em isn't considered as a goat anymore by many people outside of his fans.
People are talking shit about him because of his last album"s" (not everybody of course, but we aren't in the 2000's anymore) . We know he can sell millions of copies but he's still compromising on his stuff and these new artists are being successful without having pop superstars or pop beats on theirs albums.

That's one of the reasons kendrick is getting acclaimed and as Miller said, that's also why a part of the industry considers his album as a game changer. (and that's why you said he was overhyped on some threads)
One of the most used arguments is that these guys are bringing uncompromised hip hop back on the mainstream scene (= a big change)

[Accor]

I think the early 2000's were good...then idk, 2005 came around and all the shitty albums started dropping.

2006 is goat though

[LIL_B]

I think the early 2000's were good...then idk, 2005 came around and all the shitty albums started dropping.

2006 is goat though

accor is posting, lil m is quoting nikkah