Ether vs Takeover (which was a better diss)

by **tadpole25** » Feb 13th, '13, 00:37

IMO, both accomplished what they wanted.

Nas wanted to be more emotional.

Jay Z wanted to be more factual and numerical.

Nas wanted it to be murder (basically, him taking a machete and mangling Jay's face)

Jay wanted to poke fun (basically, be condescending, sitting in his luxurious office not taking Nas seriously)

Nas' song was more focused, whereas Jay only really had one verse about Nas. Looking back though, Ether was a hot track at the time, but now it's nothing special. Ether was light on multi's and some of his insults were just silly "cockafella records and gay z".

by **RoleModel'Est96** » Feb 13th, '13, 00:41

Always preferred Takeover cos of the factual stance Jay took plus when I hear "Laammmeeee" it kills me

by **tadpole25** » Feb 13th, '13, 00:43

yea, jay was all professor with the statistics.

nas' insults were really heated at the time, but when you look back its childish.

nas was trying really hard (too hard) to hit jay z. and jay z just had the attitude of "go away kid, stop playing with us adults".

by **Spyder** » Feb 13th, '13, 00:51

ether

by **Blu** » Feb 13th, '13, 01:24

bigray wrote:Not that it matters but how many rappers do you hear reference takeover in there raps? None....you hear them reference Ether.

That's because "ether" has its own urban meaning now: to destroy or kill another rapper on a song.

No one would say, "Man, you got takeover'd!", that just sounds stupid.

I have to go with Takeover. I understand Ether might have hurt Jay's pride at the time, but there's no getting away from hearing your enemy (at the time) prove your albums are garbage. Ouch.

by **SliK** » Feb 13th, '13, 01:45

You all focus on the bad puns in Ether but it had more lines that hit harder than Takeover.

"I am the truest; name a rapper that I ain't influenced
Gave y'all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the Judas
With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music"

"And his manuscript just sound stupid
When KRS already made an album called Blueprint
first Biggie's your man Then you got the nerve to say that you better than B.I.G
Dick suckin' lips Why don't you let the late, great veteran live"

"Rocafella died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapter
And that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after?
Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas
And now y'all try to take my spot, fellas
Feel these hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas
In a pine box with nine shots from my glock fellas"

And lets not forget "Eminem murdered you on your own shit"
Pretty much all of verse 3 actually.

by **King Lance** » Feb 13th, '13, 02:00

Blu wrote:
bigray wrote:Not that it matters but how many rappers do you hear reference takeover in there raps? None....you hear them reference Ether.

That's because "ether" has its own urban meaning now: to destroy or kill another rapper on a song.

No one would say, "Man, you got takeover'd!", that just sounds stupid.

I have to go with Takeover. I understand Ether might have hurt Jay's pride at the time, but there's no getting away from hearing your enemy (at the time) prove your albums are garbage. Ouch.

by **tadpole25** » Feb 13th, '13, 02:33

Ether (outside of academic papers) was a word that was rarely used, so it was easier to assign to a slang term than the word Takeover was.

Keep in mind that Ether was hot back then, but it aged poorly. Think of Goldeneye 007 for the N64. It was a really good game for the console back then, but nowadays, it's just a typical shooting game and there's hundreds of them on the market.

by **ImANoob** » Feb 13th, '13, 02:35

how many of these threads are you going to make and why do they not get locked?

by **tadpole25** » Feb 13th, '13, 02:38

ImANoob wrote:how many of these threads are you going to make and why do they not get locked?

This seems like its a contentious topic that people are willing to discuss.

My post isn't violating any of the rules, so go back to 4chan.

by **12characters** » Feb 13th, '13, 02:43

SliK wrote:You all focus on the bad puns in Ether but it had more lines that hit harder than Takeover.

"I am the truest; name a rapper that I ain't influenced
Gave y'all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the Judas
With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music"

"And his manuscript just sound stupid
When KRS already made an album called Blueprint
first Biggie's your man Then you got the nerve to say that you better than B.I.G
Dick suckin' lips Why don't you let the late, great veteran live"

"Rocafella died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapter
And that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after?
Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas
And now y'all try to take my spot, fellas
Feel these hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas
In a pine box with nine shots from my glock fellas"

And lets not forget "Eminem murdered you on your own shit"
Pretty much all of verse 3 actually.

Which is why I don't even listen to people argue about this anymore. Selective hearing lol.

by **tadpole25** » Feb 13th, '13, 02:59

I just feel like the disses Nas put out in Ether were just words.

For example, "And Eminem murdered you on your own shit".

My first reaction "Okay, Nas. Let's see you put out a better verse than Em. No, seriously, sample the Renegade beat and drop a verse on it".

Nas clocked in more punches but Jay's punches were harder.

by **tadpole25** » Feb 13th, '13, 03:03

Menzo wrote:But Nas wasn't even implying he could do better than Em, it's just embarrassing for a rapper to get owned on his own album. It's like the best man at your wedding fucking your wife.

Haha yea, good analogy.

I thought Jay Z hold his own very well on Renegade (even though Em's verse was more memorable).

But I felt like Nas was just using words. Nothing too personal or specific, but just things that anyone could say.

It's like when that one guy in the battle forums said Spyder just makes a general diss verse and attaches someone's name to it.

by **ImANoob** » Feb 13th, '13, 03:04

tadpole25 wrote:This seems like its a contentious topic that people are willing to discuss.

My post isn't violating any of the rules, so go back to 4chan.

yes because i love 4chan :facepalm

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by **tadpole25** » Feb 13th, '13, 03:16

ImANoob wrote:
tadpole25 wrote:This seems like its a contentious topic that people are willing to discuss.

My post isn't violating any of the rules, so go back to 4chan.

yes because i love 4chan
Good Kid Maad City (2012) vs. The Chronic (1992)
Ether vs Takeover (which was a better diss)
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What does Kendrick Lamar mean when he says "Dominoes"?
do you think 4 threads in one day is enough?

nah, i'll make 5 more.

are there anything inherently wrong with these threads.

i didnt see anything in the rules about a 4-thread limit per day.

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