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So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked....

Postby LEVITIKUZ » Mar 20th, '13, 15:48

And he said the following...

When people hear something new or what they consider to be different than what's going on, they tend to go overboard. Kept hearing about Kendrick to the point of thinking he must be an incredible lyricist. Listened to a few songs and figured I hadn't heard the right songs because they were basic as hell rhyme-wise. Hardly any clever multi-syllable rhymes, basic flow and a pretentious fanbase easily impressed to think anything that sounds even slightly different, and has a buzz, is "deep". He has the wackest verse on 'Problems' and Drake and ASAP aren't even coming hard. Bandwagon shit. Lamar is BASIC.

A better question is, how and why is he so dope? Ok please tell him how Kendrick is overrated? I'm really interested in hearing your answer. I'll be waiting.


I had no comeback for this because I agree with some of what he's saying. TBH I hated Kendrick's verse on Fuckin Problems and with some of what more he said. I hate losing debates but I'm wondering what would be a good comeback and no dumb shit.
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No because Em didn't invite me.
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby DƎRDYPK » Mar 20th, '13, 15:51

Kendrick the WOAT
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby LEVITIKUZ » Mar 20th, '13, 16:20

Like the guy I was talking too isn't going to change my opinion on Kendrick and how I like him. I'm just wondering what you guys think and how I should have countered that because I had no idea.
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Revolutionary wrote:He would eat 2 steaks and still have room for a third. He went to a steak restaurant for his 40th birthday, remember?

No because Em didn't invite me.
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 16:24

LEVITIKUZ wrote:Like the guy I was talking too isn't going to change my opinion on Kendrick and how I like him. I'm just wondering what you guys think and how I should have countered that because I had no idea.


There is this debate for basically every single artist in the world, this isn't something new tbh.

Like bigray said, he is basically praised for his story telling/creativity/lyrical abilities but if he came out in the 90's, I think he would be praised just like he is praised right now and he would sell more copies and even if I'm wrong you have to keep in mind that most of the artists that had success came out at the perfect time in the history of hip hop.
What if 2001 dropped after MBDTF ? would Dr Dre be praised for his production ?
"if he came in the 90's" is really a poor argument, for better or maybe for worse, hip hop isn't the same culture as it was 15 or 20 years ago.

Why is Kendrick Lamar dope ? probably because you heard him rap brilliantly and with a very unique style many times.

The album executed a brilliant concept maintaining fluidity and flow throughout (despite using many different producers - an impressive accomplishment). The lyrics were strong. There was creativity and personality sprinkled into the theme. Maybe not everyone's taste, but that doesn't take away from its quality.

That man should stop talking about his fan base because his hype has nothing to do with prettentious stans.
Kendrick and his album already inspired and influenced a lot of artists...
For example, Jay-Z was inspired to get in the studio after seeing what Kendrick was doing "for the culture" (Interview released this morning)
YG wants to release a "bad kid in a maad city" and even artists from the new generation want to release the next GKMC (Pusha -T wants to release something as great, and many others artists think that kendrick killed the game with this album)

Why doesn't he use complex rhymes ? probably because he doesn't want to compromise his text but someone saying that he raps with a basic flow obviously didn't listen to him lol because he usually raps with an impressive & unique flow.
Kendrick made me stop listening to artists rapping non sense with complex rhymes because basically everyone can do that.

bigray wrote:People who don't go on the internet really don't care about Kendrick


That's not true and you know it lol :y: It sounds weird but he became a star.
Section 80 had everything to do with Compton & Internet but it's not the case for Good Kid Maad City.
He is still doing solid sales numbers every week, he is still selling between 15-20 K every week 5/6 months after the official release of the album and his concerts are all sold out.
Plus, he is headlining some of the biggest festivals in Europe.

He had the craziest increase of popularity for an artist in 2012 because of his album, internet helped him just like it helps every single artist but that doesn't mean that people who don't go on the web don't care about him because he is the battery of the hip-hop machine in LA since his album came out.
His first single was a hit, it stayed at the top of the charts for several months, it was literally played everywhere, even in the clubs.
You have to keep in mind that everybody wanted to sign him, Dr Dre didn't sign him because of his hype.

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- Jay-z wanted to sign him when he dropped his very first mixtape ( he was 16)
- Drake took kendrick with him in 2011 to perform at the club paradise ( world tour),
- Lil wayne wanted to work with him when he was younger.
- The XXL's staff and Paul Rosenberg asked Dr Dre to check his songs

He had a buzz yes, but there is a reason why he had that buzz
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 17:46

Menzo wrote:I think Kendrick's great but I do agree to an extent, right now he seems to be waaay overrated by some folks.



I respect your opinion but overrated by who ?
Because "overrated" is a word used by some people who don't agree with the fact that an artist is praised by a lot of people.

It happens for every single artist (Eminem, Lupe Fiasco, 50 cent, Kanye West, etc) and particulary on trshady.
I noticed that every single artist who blew up is considered as overrated on TRshady if he isn't Eminem or if he isn't from Shady Records (well, you can even find threads about 50 Cent so I'm not sure about what I said...)
IMO, this word is clearly overused

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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 18:03

Menzo wrote:Well, by you, for starters.


and how do I overrate him if most of the time I just copy/paste articles or state facts ?
For the rest, it has everything to do with me being a fan.
It's like saying you overrate eminem (or every other artist) when you create a thread about him in the Eminem section or it's like saying eminem is overrated by every other member who think that Eminem should be the most famous person in the world
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=155525

This word really doesn't make any sense
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby Trimss » Mar 20th, '13, 18:06

That's because people are acting like Kendrick is a messiah and whenever a rapper drops something great it's like "Nahh still not better than GKMC" while I feel like some people are just jumping on the bandwagon.

Kendrick has dropped some of the most random verses (well, to me, like on 1train) yet people still praise him.. It's like they cannot accept when he's doing something bad. Like Real on GKMC.. It's a wack song tbfh.

But that's just my opinion, obviously.
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 18:10

Trimss wrote:That's because people are acting like Kendrick is a messiah and whenever a rapper drops something great it's like "Nahh still not better than GKMC" while I feel like some people are just jumping on the bandwagon.

Kendrick has dropped some of the most random verses (well, to me, like on 1train) yet people still praise him.. It's like they cannot accept when he's doing something bad. Like Real on GKMC.. It's a wack song tbfh.

But that's just my opinion, obviously.


but Real is probably the most hated song by his fans and most of his guest verses were dope (my opinion) but you only talk about the same songs (> 1 Train)
Even the reviews who gave GKMC a very high score said that they didn't feel Real at all :y:
and yeah, everything is compared to GKMC just like everything is compared to MBDTF, and not only fans talk about these comparisons, it's like the new standard for reviews & critics and you can't really blame the fans for that :unsure:
(is the album overrated because I say it set a new standard ? nop, it doesn't come from me)

It's like MBDTF, is it overrated just because some people here think that the album didn't deserve its praise ? I don't think so because the album had a HUGE impact :unsure:

Not going to talk about GKMC because the album was released a few months ago but look at mbdtf, if this album is overrated then The marshall mathers LP, the eminem show, illmatic, GRODT, Pac's albums etc are all overrated.
I talked about mbdtf because it's actually the only hip hop album that was praised like gkmc this decade and it was released 3 years ago.
These artists aren't praise just because they are signed to a famous label, Blu got the same treatment with Below the Heavens... widely considered an underground classic & compared to Illmatic.
I Didn't have the internet for several months in 2007 and still, I knew who Blu was in I live in Belgium.

And really, I hope nobody is going to say that ppl jump on the band wagon because it's one of the most critiically acclaimed album... Nas - Life Is Good doesn't have the same hype and it was also critically acclaimed as fuck.
The album was highly anticipated because of the leak of The Art Of the peer pressure & Swimming pools and the album generated 2.8 million streams through Spotify alone, becoming the second highest first week stream total of the year... critics & reviews came later.
Does it have anything to do with Dr Dre ? Maybe but Dr Dre was already talking about kdot and Section 80 wasn't hyped like that .
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby tadpole25 » Mar 20th, '13, 19:14

solution to the debate: kendrick's dope and i really don't really care what you think
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 20:14

lol Hesky it was an interview for WT...

You obviously didn't go to a single kendrick's concert, He was praised in almost every country in Europe for his energy during his concerts...
The crowds are always ready to back him up on every tracks, not just the intros, not just the memorable lines: Every damn line.

He brings a lot of energy when he performs and that's why his recent shows have been caracterized as "legendary" by the media... and nop, he wasn't even known in Europe at that time.

So which statement is the most far-stretched ? "I was expecting a tumbleweed to roll past at some point." or "legendary performance from a mainstream artist" ?

The last one comes from the media but Did the media overrated his performances ?
Maybe but I haven't seen a single mainstream hip hop artist who was able to bring that energy. (and yes, I haven been to their concerts : Eminem, Lil wayne, Drake, 50 cent, kanye west, Jay-Z, and many others)
That's exactly why some newspapers talked about Unrealistic Scenes...

I know that Yelawolf and Tech n9ne's concerts are crazy as fuck but I talked about Mainstream rappers.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu-amRw60C4
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 20:32

yeah, we talk about life performance and you switch on this song.

So what , is he overrated just because you don't like his music ?

fair enough.

I don't like the artist in your avy, I personally don't find any emotion in his songs, does that mean that he is bad and overrated ? :flutter:
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 20:35

Kendrick has been praised for his lyrical abilities since day1.
It's not because you don't like him that he is bad or overrated and again, every artist doesn't release only great songs

I don't like the artist in your avy, I personally don't find any emotion in his songs, does that mean that he is bad, overrated and lyrically as skilled as a clown ? :flutter:
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 20:51

Hesky wrote:
Lance5 wrote:Kendrick has been praised for his lyrical abilities since day1.
It's not because you don't like him that he is bad or overrated and again, every artist doesn't release only great songs


I know he's been praised, I just think it's unjust, and I'm baffled as to where the hype started. He's generic and monotonous. It's only my opinion, but I stand by it.

Lance5 wrote:I don't like the artist in your avy, I personally don't find any emotion in his songs, does that mean that he is bad, overrated and lyrically as skilled as a clown ? :flutter:


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Well how is that unjust if he has been praised since the age of 16 ? and again, it was for his lyrical abilities.

I do agree that the comparison between him and Bob dylan is riduculous but It's just that a lot of people really think he is that great as a lyricist and it's everything but unjust because I really don't see how it's possible to deny his skill.
I used to dislike him when he released Section 80 (and I still dislike 75 % of Section80) but lyrically, how can you say that it's wack ?

At the end of the day, yes it's all about opinions and kendrick is just not for you but saying that it's unjust to consider him as a great lyricist or saying that he is a wack rapper without any charisma is really far-stretched tbh.

Imo, it's like saying that Tech N9ne can't flow on a beat just because you personally don't like his work
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby King Lance » Mar 20th, '13, 20:57

Aone10 wrote:
Lance5 wrote:I haven't seen a single mainstream hip hop artist who was able to bring that energy. (and yes, I haven been to their concerts : Eminem, Lil wayne, Drake, 50 cent, kanye west, Jay-Z, and many others)
That's exactly why some newspapers talked about Unrealistic Scenes...


Better performer than Kanye West?!?!?

That's what people are talking about. You hardcore Kendrick fans praise him way too much. Hell, Eminem is my favorite artist of all time, but I would never say that he's the best mainstream performer.

And don't use the "that's facts and what the media says" cop-out.

That was all you.


didn't say he was a better performer than Kanye, I think that kanye is actually the best peformer amongst the mainstream rappers (other ppl will praise Eminem but I personally think that kanye is better)
I talked about the energy kendrick brings during his concerts and that's what is praised.

I didn't say it was a fact but that statement didn't come from me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/ja ... mar-review (they even mention kanye)
http://www.francetv.fr/culturebox/on-y- ... lan-131701
http://www.thesource.com/articles/26973 ... htsnp2rb66

I didn't even copy/paste the articles that were really praising him because you gonna use the "overrated" word...
I don't even mention the newspapers who talked about that :coffee:



Hesky wrote:
Lance5 wrote:Well how is that unjust if even Jay-z wanted to sign him at the age of 16 ? and again, it was for his lyrical abilities.


The same Jay-Z that signed Lady Sovereign?Image

He obviously knows what he's doing.


Not only Jay-z, actually, a lot of hip hop heads called him the next big thing and it was based on his lyrical skill.
Dr Dre only discovered Kendrick in 2011 or something like that
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Re: So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked...

Postby Chet Starr » Mar 20th, '13, 21:00

Hesky wrote:

So much expression, emotion, and energy on display in this one.

The track is called rigamortis, and you expect huge energy on a track called rigamortis? :unsure:




I'm not even getting into this debate, I just wanted to point that out
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