So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked....

[Chet Starr]

I'm pretty sure it plays into the song, so yeah it's a bit of a metaphor. Not for the listener's experience of course

Doesn't it suck when you insult a artist and the other person comes back all serious. Just fucking kills the joke

[King Lance]

Not only Jay-z, actually, a lot of hip hop heads called him the next big thing and it was based on his lyrical skill.
Dr Dre only discovered Kendrick in 2011 or something like that

Could you show me these displays of lyrical skill? All I've ever seen from him is basic monosyllable rhyming stuff that doesn't really make any sense, or require much thought.

So much expression, emotion, and energy on display in this one.

The track is called rigamortis, and you expect huge energy on a track called rigamortis?



I'm not even getting into this debate, I just wanted to point that out

Rigamortis: The stiffening of a dead body accompanying depletion of adenosine triphosphate in the muscle fibres.

Is the track title a metaphor for the listener's experience?

lol technical vs lyrical : We’ve done this thread a lot of times but nobody has ever really agreed on anything.
This post isn't from me but I agree 100% with it.

Technical
Technical, to me, is the structure of the rap and how it sounds. It includes stuff like rhyme scheme, multies, assonance, consonance, alliteration, voice, etc. It’s basically anything that helps the verse sound or flow better. A good technical rapper is someone who can flow well and not be predictable doing it. An example of good technique would be Blu in the song “Cold Hearted”:

Lyrical
Lyricism is how the rapper expresses his theme, message, or emotions. Creativity is important in lyricism. Similes, metaphors, entendres, word play, punchlines, etc, all help make a verse more creative or original, but they aren’t totally necessary. You can be lyrical by having original thoughts or ideas, or being deeply introspective. I think lyricism is the more subjective of the two, because people see things differently just based off of their personal experiences or personality. An artist that displays great lyricism, in my opinion, is Common in the song “The Believer”. I explained this example before, so you can just click here and read it if you like.

[the real slim shady]

Question the guys sexuality, that usually works.

[King Lance]

Can you provide me with any examples of where Kendrick Lamar displays what you would consider lyrical ability?

GKMC > this is a story from start to finish and this is surprisingly very cohesive...a feat that hasn't even been attempted by hip hop's top storytellers.
I remember that some people didn't like kendrick at all ( Class the king for example) but he admitted that he was surprised by how good the album was when he took the time to listen to it.

Listen to The Art Of The Peer Pressure, Imo this is a conceptual masterpiece, I'd say that the song's structure in itself is mind blowing.

Lyrically, I really think that he is great and has a unique approach of Hip hop

Look at Power Circle, Kendrick was the only one on this song who avoided the standard talk and added a lesson in phrasing, cohesions, imagery and word plays.

[Wic Kid]

To be honest, I agree with the major part of his arguments. Kendrick IS overrated. I mean, he is a good rapper, but he's just different than most fresh rappers nowadays. And that's probably why they praise him. GKMC is slightly above average. Good record, but nothing groundbreaking, sometimes even boring. But if people think that 'different' means 'fuckin genius'...okay then.

IMO if Kendrick blew up in the early 2000's, he wouldn't be half as popular as he is today. People these days are apparently fed up with hipster rap, so Kendrick comes as a refreshment.

[King Lance]

To be honest, I agree with the major part of his arguments. Kendrick IS overrated. I mean, he is a good rapper, but he's just different than most fresh rappers nowadays. And that's probably why they praise him. GKMC is slightly above average. Good record, but nothing groundbreaking, sometimes even boring. But if people think that 'different' means 'fuckin genius'...okay then.

IMO if Kendrick blew up in the early 2000's, he wouldn't be half as popular as he is today. People these days are apparently fed up with hipster rap, so Kendrick comes as a refreshment.

it's all about personal tastes because not only the young generation listens to kendrick.
Some People who knew Tupac and biggie back in the days really love Kendrick Lamar and it's the same for me.
I grew up on Dr Dre & Eminem's music and I still think that this album was mind blowing, same goes for MBDTF, I would even rate this last album better than any album released in the 2000's

I just listened to The Art Of Peer Pressure. I'm just not feeling it.

I can see the concept, but it's just delivered in such a monotonous (My opinion), unoriginal (My opinion), uninspiring (My opinion), and elementary (Again, my opinion) fashion that it doesn't hold any weight with me.

I'm sorry that my views are so harsh of one of, if not your most favourite rapper(s). I really am.

Kendrick is really not for you.

That's another thing, there aren't many good contemporary rappers, it's easy for Kendrick to stand out.

Whenever a veteran like Eminem, Jay-Z, Kanye West, or even Lil Wayne drop an album, it dwarfs guys like Kendrick.

The reason GKMC was such a stand out album last year was because nothing BIG dropped. There, I said it.

I don't agree with everything, imo, there is a part of truth but GKMC was compared to MBDTF, it really means that kendrick can stand out even if kanye releases a solo album at the same year.

Nas - LIG dropped the same year and was fucking well received

Quality > quantity.
3 years later, people still talk about MBDTF and not about Recovery

[Eedee]

Your "friend" is correct. Kendrick is basic and is way overrated. I don't like his music.

[Wic Kid]

To be honest, I agree with the major part of his arguments. Kendrick IS overrated. I mean, he is a good rapper, but he's just different than most fresh rappers nowadays. And that's probably why they praise him. GKMC is slightly above average. Good record, but nothing groundbreaking, sometimes even boring. But if people think that 'different' means 'fuckin genius'...okay then.

IMO if Kendrick blew up in the early 2000's, he wouldn't be half as popular as he is today. People these days are apparently fed up with hipster rap, so Kendrick comes as a refreshment.

it's all about personal tastes because not only the young generation listens to kendrick.
Some People who knew Tupac and biggie back in the days really love Kendrick Lamar and it's the same for me.
I grew up on Dr Dre & Eminem's music and I still think that this album was mind blowing, same goes for MBDTF, I would even rate this last album better than any album released in the 2000's

I'm not talkin just about younger generations.Let's say you don't like where hip hop is headed these last few years and you listen mostly to rap pre-2007, But hey, you gotta listen to some new shit from time to time, obviously. And then comes along someone like Kendrick, who sounds like a rapper-staying-truthful-to-rap-roots. And you think 'Wow! This is new.' Well, it is new, but only compared to shit nowadays. From pre-2007 point of view - nothing mindblowing. Toss his ass back to early 2000's, he'd be hardly noticed. Just my 2 cents.

[King Lance]

To be honest, I agree with the major part of his arguments. Kendrick IS overrated. I mean, he is a good rapper, but he's just different than most fresh rappers nowadays. And that's probably why they praise him. GKMC is slightly above average. Good record, but nothing groundbreaking, sometimes even boring. But if people think that 'different' means 'fuckin genius'...okay then.

IMO if Kendrick blew up in the early 2000's, he wouldn't be half as popular as he is today. People these days are apparently fed up with hipster rap, so Kendrick comes as a refreshment.

it's all about personal tastes because not only the young generation listens to kendrick.
Some People who knew Tupac and biggie back in the days really love Kendrick Lamar and it's the same for me.
I grew up on Dr Dre & Eminem's music and I still think that this album was mind blowing, same goes for MBDTF, I would even rate this last album better than any album released in the 2000's

I'm not talkin just about younger generations.Let's say you don't like where hip hop is headed these last few years and you listen mostly to rap pre-2007, But hey, you gotta listen to some new shit from time to time, obviously. And then comes along someone like Kendrick, who sounds like a rapper-staying-truthful-to-rap-roots. And you think 'Wow! This is new.' Well, it is new, but only compared to shit nowadays. From pre-2007 point of view - nothing mindblowing. Toss his ass back to early 2000's, he'd be hardly noticed. Just my 2 cents.

Na, I thought it was good compared to the hip hop released in the 90's tbh.
I seriously think that 2012 was a great year in hip hop, and I'm not only talking about kendrick.
I'm talking about Life Is Good, SchoolBoy Q & Ab-Soul, Big Krit and many other artists that released something this year.

I respect your opinion but you and me can't really talk about that subject.
Imagine Dr Dre - The chronic released after MBDTF... I know you're going to say that it's dumb but it's casically the same, you can't compare a 2012 album to an album released in 2000.
For better or maybe for worse, hip hop isn't the same culture as it was back in the days.

[King Lance]

Songs of GKMC that I really enjoy and are either a 9/10 or 10/10 for me...the rest I didnt care for and was pretty brutal when people compared this to Game's debut or EMs debut


3. Kendrick Lamar - Backseat Freestyle (Prod. By Hit-Boy) (good kid, m.A.A.d city)
4. Kendrick Lamar - The Art Of Peer Pressure (Prod. By Tabu) (good kid, m.A.A.d city)
8. Kendrick Lamar - m.A.A.d city (Feat. MC Eiht) (Prod. By Sounwave & Terrace Martin) (good kid, m.A.A.d city)
12. Kendrick Lamar - Compton (Feat. Dr. Dre) (Prod. By Just Blaze) (good kid, m.A.A.d city)
13. Kendrick Lamar - The Recipe Ft. Dr. Dre (good kid, m.A.A.d city)
14. Kendrick Lamar - Black Boy Fly (good kid, m.A.A.d city)

Album is still being praised as the "modern illmatic" because of the story telling and its impact on hip hop right now. (influencing most of the (new) artists)
Don't be mad at me, it's not coming from me... some people here just jump on the bandwagon to say that kendrick is overrated but he is praised as fuck right now

Actually, the same thing is happening to Eminem right now, a lot of people from the new generation think that eminem is trash, we could say the opposite, can you imagine Eminem's albums released in 2013 ?
Would he sell as much as he did ? would he be as famous as he was during the previous decade ?

I don't have any opinion about that because I personally love Eminem but the thing is that yes, he isn't as respected as he used to be but artists like Nas and Jay-Z are still respected for their debut albums.
I have seen a lot of people saying that TMMLP was a good album but not as good as people said back in the days

I know some ppl gonna be mad

And GKMC is miles ahead of MBDTF

I'm a kendrick's fan but I think you're wrong.

I would say that MBDTF shits on almost every album released in a long time, all genre (gkmc included)

[ImANoob]

sorry but nobody except you internet nerds care about every line having multi's in it

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Kendrick is getting praised for the opposite of sounding fresh,hes keeping it west coast,but still modern,its a phase though,it'll go away! will he? hes talented,i hope not

[ImANoob]

oh yeah forgot to mention....


























GURL, I KNOW YA WANT DIS DIII-

[King Lance]

I agree about him leading the newer guys but the rest is clearly opinions. I just had a guy tell me that GCMC is wack like Wayne and the rest of the mainstream... I disagreed with him but what ever thats what he thinks.

Don't know if Jay is that respected... Ur EM comment about MMLP I honestly never heard that.

yeah that's all opinions, most people that think kendrick is overrated here has been hating on him since day 1.
Let's be honest bigray, 80 % of the people here hate on every single artist who isn't from Shady Records. (and that's not including you, menzo and aone who always tried to give respectful opinions about kendrick ).
It's just that these guys are jumping on the bandwagon because someone created a thread "kendrick sucked" lol.

hmm from what I can see, illmatic, reasonable doubt, blue print are still very hyped but not really TMMLP.

wherever I go, I see people from the new generation saying that Eminem used to be good but not great by any means.
Don't make me say what I didn't say, he isn't "as hated" as 50 cent, and I may be wrong but this is really what I can see right now.

But really, saying that Kendrick wouldn't be famous back in the days is really a poor argument.
Even Jay-Z wanted to Sign Kendrick to Def Jam when he was a kid, even Lil Wayne wanted to work with him when he was younger... and Kendrick proved that he can stand out even if great or famous artists release an album at the same year.
What about Section 80 released in digital format at the same time as Drake and Lil Wayne's albums ? GKMC was one of the most anticipated albums of this decade because of that album, forums, sites for Download and his own sites crashed several times because of the leaks, it was also one of the most streamed albums...
Kendrick is on his way to do Kanye West's sales numbers with his last solo album

in 18 months; Kanye west sold 1 200 000 copies of his albums, in 5 months, Kendrick did 800 000 and he has been doing THE SAME sales numbers every single week since January

Who the fuck can do that in 2010/2013 ? 50 cent ? he struggled to go gold, Game ? his last album didn't go gold... Only Eminem Lil wayne and Drake can do better.

Hip hop changed lol, what if tmmlp was released in 2010 ?

[Blu]

Lance doesn't overrate Kendrick. He made valid points when explaining why Kendrick is so good, and I fully agree with him. So what if he had a bad guest verse? You guys can't even act like Eminem, Jay-Z, or any other fucking rapper out there has had a great verse quality record.

Eminem is overrated as fuck by you stans.

EDIT: Also, why is it a bad thing that Kendrick doesn't use "complex multi-syllable rhymes"? The music itself is quality art. It takes a lot of creativity and talent to make an album like GKMC.