So I Was In A Debate And Someone Said Kendrick Sucked....

[King Lance]

use the search tool on trshady and you'll find the same threads about all the other famous mainstream artists : Kanye West, Drake, Lil Wayne, 50 Cent ( oh yes), Biggie, Jay-z, Tupac. (Even Nas with Illmatic)

Most of the trshady members overuse the "overrated" word when it comes to talk about another artist than Eminem.

It's like nobody has the right to blow up except Em

[King Lance]

Kendrick Lamar is mainstream?

he became a mainstream artist yep

he had the craziest increase of popularity for an artist in recent times, outsold every hip hop artist who released an album this year and last year (He can do Kanye West Numbers with MBDTF), his singles were highly played on the radio & in the club.
In fact, His singles charted well and became hits, mainly because of the radio plays.

Swimming Pools wasn't supposed to be in the album but most of his fans asked him on twitter and facebook to add the song in the album because it sounded "amazing" to them.

[Willy]

I really like how he experiments with his delivery. All the voices/layers sound awesome.

[Wic Kid]

Lance doesn't overrate Kendrick. He made valid points when explaining why Kendrick is so good, and I fully agree with him. So what if he had a bad guest verse? You guys can't even act like Eminem, Jay-Z, or any other fucking rapper out there has had a great verse quality record.

Eminem is overrated as fuck by you stans.

EDIT: Also, why is it a bad thing that Kendrick doesn't use "complex multi-syllable rhymes"? The music itself is quality art. It takes a lot of creativity and talent to make an album like GKMC.

Why do you have the need to bash Eminem whenever people talk about other rappers? It's pretty fuckin stupid. It's a discussion about Kendrick's quality, get with the program. You talk like we don't fully appreciate Kendrick cuz we value Eminem more

[Zeek]

I listened to Good Kid Maad City on youtube and found it extremely boring.

[King Lance]

I agree about him leading the newer guys but the rest is clearly opinions. I just had a guy tell me that GCMC is wack like Wayne and the rest of the mainstream... I disagreed with him but what ever thats what he thinks.

Don't know if Jay is that respected... Ur EM comment about MMLP I honestly never heard that.

yeah that's all opinions, most people that think kendrick is overrated here has been hating on him since day 1.

Ill use Eedee as an example, I dont think I have ever seen him comment on Kendrick before...we cant really say he has been hating on him since day 1 and im sure those goes for other...sure some people may just plain hate on him or some just feel the need to express it again.

Let's be honest bigray, 80 % of the people here hate on every single artist who isn't from Shady Records. (and that's not including you, menzo and aone who always tried to give respectful opinions about kendrick ).
It's just that these guys are jumping on the bandwagon because someone created a thread "kendrick sucked" lol.

You know what Lance it really use to be like that but the past cpl years it is the opposite members hate on anything that has to do with Shady just for the fuck of it.....My opinions will always be the same for most artist....the odd time they will change which is normal and yes some just hop on too hate.

hmm from what I can see, illmatic, reasonable doubt, blue print are still very hyped but not really TMMLP.

Agreed about Nas and Jay regarding those albums you mentioned but it is the same for EM people still praise MMLP.

wherever I go, I see people from the new generation saying that Eminem used to be good but not great by any means.
Don't make me say what I didn't say, he isn't "as hated" as 50 cent, and I may be wrong but this is really what I can see right now.

Thats is cuz the new generations opinions are terrible not all some are really honest. I agree with you on 50.

But really, saying that Kendrick wouldn't be famous back in the days is really a poor argument.
Even Jay-Z wanted to Sign Kendrick to Def Jam when he was a kid, even Lil Wayne wanted to work with him when he was younger... and Kendrick proved that he can stand out even if great or famous artists release an album at the same year.

Maybe he would be famous but I highly dont he would be as praised as he is now, Spotlight back than was always on BIG and PAC....you never know though he could very well get praised just as much as he is now.

What about Section 80 released in digital format at the same time as Drake and Lil Wayne's albums ? GKMC was one of the most anticipated albums of this decade because of that album, forums, sites for Download and his own sites crashed several times because of the leaks, it was also one of the most streamed albums...
Kendrick is on his way to do Kanye West's sales numbers with his last solo album

Ill take Kendrick over Wayne and Kanye any day...Kanye and Wayne are not my cup of tea..even though Kanye is original and is successful with his style.

in 18 months; Kanye west sold 1 200 000 copies of his albums, in 5 months, Kendrick did 800 000 and he has been doing THE SAME sales numbers every single week since January

Yep GKMC >>>> MBDTF

Who the fuck can do that in 2010/2013 ? 50 cent ? he struggled to go gold, Game ? his last album didn't go gold... Only Eminem Lil wayne and Drake can do better.

Hip hop changed lol, what if tmmlp was released in 2010 ? :unsure

Yep I know not many can do that but really sales is only 1 factor, Carter 4 is shit and look how much he sold in the first week...Game has been shit since his second album.


Sorry Lance dont feel like making this perfect but you will see my comments.

I respect your opinion about these albums, don't worry but at the end of the day, I think we can all agree that Lil wayne blew up, Drake blew up and even if Eminem releases his album in 2013, Lil wayne and Drake will still do solid sales numbers.
As for GKMC, it was a commercial success but it was also acclaimed as fuck, and that's the only reason why some people here think he is overrated. (Sales + hype + one of the most acclaimed albums = overrated to you if you don't like him)

Some people have the right to think that he is overrated but some other people are just blindy hating on him because they feel insecure about their own favorite rapper, it sounds dumb but some people are just like that.

Every single artist that blew up was talked as an overrated artist, started to thing that this word is used by people who don't agree with the fact that an artist is praised
It will happen to the next artist to blow up, Hopsin ? Danny ? Big Krit ?
It happens to everybody, Eminem, Nas, Jay-z, you'll always find people who think they are great and bad, but at the end of the day, they sold a lot of copies and their albums had an impact on the scene.
Last time, I think it happened to Lupe Fiasco.

At the end of the day, Kendrick sold a lot of copies, already has an impact on the new generation, he is influencing some old rappers and his album was labelled as a potential future classic (a lot of ppl talk about it as an instant classic)
People are mad because most of the hip hop legends are behind him, just like everybody was behind Eminem back in the days.

In my opinion, the arguments " what if his album was released in 2000 ? " is a poor argument for several reasons.

1) Hip Hop is changing ( music too), it's not the same culture as it was 10,15 or 20 years ago. What if illmatic was released in 2012 ?
2) It has everything to do with personal opinions ...everybody didn't like Eminem, 50 Cent or Pac, Lil Wayn,... but all of them were praised as kings by a majority (inb4 someone says that lil wayne stole the crown but it will only prove my point)
3) These artists don't all have a consistent discography.
4) Every artist that blew up came at the perfect time in the history of Hip Hop, Eminem, Pac, Biggie, Nas, Jay-Z , Kendrick Lamar, Lupe Fiasco...

The only real question is : can Kendrick stay relevant ?
we'll have to wait and see what happens

Sorry big, the whole comment isn't really just for you but I was too lazy to post a new comment lol

[Blu]

Swimming Pools wasn't supposed to be in the album but most of his fans asked him on twitter and facebook to add the song in the album because it sounded "amazing" to them.

I thought his album was an intricate masterpiece of storytelling prowess; wouldn't randomly shoving a track on there for the sake of it ruin this?

"Swimming Pools" still tells a story though.

[King Lance]

You have good opinions as well and strong point at the end of the day too each his own.

I really think though hip hop really needs sub genres now...what I mean is that hip hop is so much different now than the past..in the past was straight raw, lyrical gangsta shit.. u know what I mean and now there are so many different style...I say something is wack the next guy loves it.

Now you have Waka, Gucci, Soldier Lil B etc...these guys rap so different than Kendrick or Lloyd Banks for example...so why not put that style of hip in a different categories instead of them all in rap.

Not sure Lance if you get what I mean...cuz too me those artists above are not rap to me.

Yes I definitely think Kendrick can stay relevant for many years to come.

Yeah I see what you mean but at the same time, I think that it proves that artists like Lil wayne & Kanye had an impact on the scene.
I might be wrong but I have the feeling that they introduced the "Autotune" thing to the mainstream hip hop

Is Lil B the guy called "BasedGod" ?
Thought he was a little bit hyped because he was a troll or something... I tried to google him but I still don't know what happened with him, some people said that he covered hip hop magazines or things like that because he trolled but I don't really know what happened because I didn't have the internet back in the days lol

[CrashBand]

If someone dropped something like that in the creative writing section, they'd be pitied on.

Hesky, there's a difference on what looks good on paper and what's a good rap verse.

I definitely agree he's overrated big time.

GKMC was awesome though. And his flows are usually very impressive.

[Trimss]

T-pain introduced it tbh.

[King Lance]

Yeah he is the based God dude who just says what is on his mind.

Lil Wayne and Kanye 100% had a HUGE impact on hip hop especially Wayne the dude carried it on his back for a good cpl years even though I dont like his music...I cant deny that, I would be lying and hating otherwise....everyone has or had a Young Money shirt.

I think it was T Pain who introduced auto tune and apparently Jay killed it on DOA. But autotune has been done with other Genres.. Cher is the Queen for auto tune and she sounds really good.

I prefer Ronz Brownz auto tune over T Pains.

Exactly my thoughts.

That's why I think that nobody is overrated, Drake, Eminem, Wayne, (Rick Ross), etc, IMO no one of them was or is overrated because they had an impact and it has everything to do with personal opinions.
You don't like Lil wayne's music, other don't like Eminem, I don't like Biggie at all (but still think his album was a master piece but I still don't feel it) but they are what they are.
They were all praised as kings in different moment of "the history" , they were all loved by their fans and there are a lot of people who still don't agree that.
and All of them were praised by hip hop artists, hip hop legends and whoever you want.
Lil Wayne had the whole game behind him (except underground artists), Eminem had the whole game behind him, Jay-Z too and kendrick now has the whole game behind him

What is overrated by one isn't overrated by everybody, when Eminem dropped his first albums, hell yes he sold a lot of copies but a lot of Nas and Jay's fans were like " oh, the dude is overrated, he is wack"
That's exactly why I think this word doesn't make any sense at all...it's ALWAYS used when an artist blows up.
Hip hop changed just like a lot of culture are changing but imo, the biggest difference between the 90's, the 2000's and now is Internet, people can share their opinions easily and that's why Eminem, Wayne, drake, ross, Tupac, Nas and Biggie all have a lot of haters
The same thing happened to Lupe fiasco, the same happened to MBDTF, the same is happening to Kendrick right now and the same will happen to the next artist to blow up but it's up to him to have a constent discography if he wants to stay relevant.

[King Lance]

Exactly my thoughts.

That's why I think that nobody is overrated, Drake, Eminem, Wayne, (Rick Ross), etc, IMO no one of them was or is overrated because they had an impact and it has everything to do with personal opinions.

Overrated and underrated are words that are abused by some but at the same time they still have a meaning when used properly...like if someone says "Drake is lyrical or an amazing rapper look at his sales" or even Wayne for instance... yes that is a definition of someone overrating and artist but the word is rarely used properly here....An underrated artist to me is Jon Connor...he is very lyrical, great delivery/voice and he had only 3 mixtapes, yet no one talks about him.

You don't like Lil wayne's music, other don't like Eminem, I don't like Biggie at all (but still think his album was a master piece but I still don't feel it) but they are what they are.
They were all praised as kings in different moment of "the history" , they were all loved by their fans and there are a lot of people who still don't agree that.

But Big and Pac are known as legends and will always be...look at Bigs funeral the whole street in NY celebrated his life that day...Ya some people may say Wayne is or was the King of hip hop but that cant be true...popular yes.

What is overrated by one isn't overrated by everybody, when Eminem dropped his first albums, hell yes he sold a lot of copies but a lot of Nas and Jay's fans were like " oh, the dude is overrated, he is wack"
That's exactly why I think this word doesn't make any sense at all...it's ALWAYS used when an artist blow up.

Success most of the time comes with hate, I will be honest in the 90's Jay wasnt as praised as he is now....he was hardly noticed due to the fact that at that time they're were so many others killing it like Pac, Big, Mobb Deep, Nas, NORE, Big Pun etc

Hip hop changed just like a lot of culture are changing but imo, the biggest difference between the 90's, the 2000's and now is Internet, people can share their opinions easily and that's why Eminem, Wayne, drake, ross, Tupac, Nas and Biggie all have a lot of haters
The same happened to Lupe fiasco, the same happened to MBDTF and the same happens to Kendrick right now

Yes for the internet helped hip hop and changed it as well....I personally Hate Ross and Drake equally. Look at Ross's lyrics they are pretty bad and influence the youth. Compare Nas or Pacs lyrics to some of the newer guys (Kendrick not included cuz he has substance) those guys always had a good and positive story to tell...they never encouraged selling drugs or disrespecting females or how much money they got or dont.

I know we can keep discussing this on and on but we are pretty much on the same side really just expressing out opinions a little different.

Yep, I think we're on the same side, I'll just add that I agree with you, some rappers have a legendary status but I seriously think that you'll always have that status if you have a constent discography.
I don't know if Pac or Biggie would have been able to drop other classic albums but they died "at the perfect time" imo and it's not really a bad thing to me because Hip Hop really needs legends

[King Lance]

They could have either just dropped brutal albums or dope ones...it sucks that we will never know.

To me Pac has 2 classic and Big has 1.

All Eyes on Me
Makaveli

Ready to Die

I HATE how Pacs music has been released now all messed up and not the way he intended it.

definitely lol, remember when Eminem made Pac say "G-unit" on the album ?

[King Lance]

ahah yeah, it was definitely brutal, Can you imagine Nas' reaction more than 15 years later ?

That diss made me think about 50 Cent - How To rob, I don't try to compare the 2 songs but 50 cent used to diss absolutely everybody back in the days

[King Lance]

Yep NAS would be like WTF

Ya 50 did but never executed like PAC....I guess 50 was trying to be relevant or he thinks he is Pac cuz he got shot 9 times and Pac got shot 5....

One day I tried to count how many times Pac says "I got shot 5 times" I think he said it like 100 times in his career lol

And you can't even say anything because it would be sad to diss a dead rapper

That 50 song really helped to boost 50's career tbh.
I remember that Jay-z said something like "Who the fuck is 50 cent" in his song