What is Wrong with You Guys? (SH vs. Yela)

[EmTV]

I haven't liked anything Slaughterhouse has put out. It just doesn't seem cohesive. Doesn't work for me. It doesn't sound right. Even the highly-praised "On the House" was meh for me. Save a few tracks, WTOH was plain meh. Seemed like a lot of it was compromise. A lot of unoriginal concepts/lyrics/similes/metaphors/allthatshit. Whereas I still like Radioactive. Maybe it is artist bias. I dunno. I'm not writing off the next album yet, but I'm just saying why I could agree with those who are. Their material they've been putting out has been meh. Yela? No. And he's consistent. HOD = 9/10. PW = 9.5/10. TMR = 10/10. Radioactive = 8/10. WTOH = 7.5/10. OTH = 8/10.

I dunno. Ramble.



Also I think Joell is the best SH member currently.

[Trimss]

K I'm gonna get shit for this but whatever. (I hate when people start topics like this lol)

I decided to make this thread after reading the thread on Crooked talking about the new SH album. Crooked said that Slaughterhouse is coming for blood with this one and people are already writing it off and saying it's not gonna be very good. Yelawolf DID THE SAME FUCKING THING with Love Story and everybody is praising the dude like he's for sure gonna make the next MMLP. Yelawolf compromised WAY harder on Radioactive than Slaughterhouse did on Welcome to Our House. Welcome to Our House >>>> Radioactive.

We're praising Yelawolf because he noticed that compromising wouldn't get him anywhere instead of saying Radioactive was slept on, no matter how cool the album is. Yelawolf didn't compromise harder on Radioactive though, that's a false statement.

Yelawolf has never been a raw underground straight backpack rapper, on T-M 60 he had Gucci Mane as a feature.. And featured a lot of south/trap rappers and stuff like that. But if you pay attention to the features on Radioactive, they're something you would expect from Yelawolf.

On Slaughterhouse.. Would you expect features from Busta (who was hot for a minute) B.o.B, Skylar Grey, Cee Lo Green or Swizz Beatz? Of course you wouldn't. Because that's not who they are.
Now I'm not saying the whole album is trash because I honestly liked some of the songs even though I only replay a few right now, but Yelawolf's album was so much better. It was actually a good piece of work, with good concepts and it was MADE for the radios.

So he's accepting the fact that the sound is "poppier" but he still came out with good/great concepts instead of just rapping about stupid stuff. You can compare the two albums because they kinda have the same structure, and if you're fair, Radioactive is a better effort.

Yelawolf did straight up say that he's not gonna try to be on the radio anymore and Slaughterhouse hasnt said that yet I know, but everyone has already assumed that Slaughterhouse is just gonna put out Welcome to Our House 2 with this new one. "Coming for blood" doesnt exactly sound like they are aiming for radio. The only thing SH did wrong with WT:OH was pick bad beats and use to many singers for hooks. Aside from Park it Sideways, I cant think of one verse on the album that screams compromise.

No, Slaughterhouse are basically mad at their fans because they didn't drop something we liked. Like they don't understand where they made a mistake. They think it's us who are just being too picky, like I remember the discussion about "My Life" where they were like: Are my lyrics poppy? Nahh they're not.

Basically, except a few songs like Hammerdance and a few others,you can notice that the whole sound and atmosphere of the album was made to appeal to people who weren't fans.

Yelawolf has noticed that compromising his integrity to get new fans isn't something he should have done because he lost a lot of fans too, and people doubted him. It also eventually lead to some harsh arguments and it probably almost got him dropped, from what he said. So now he's standing up and saying: "Fuck you all, that album is not who I am." He's not letting people who have nothing to do with the music get in the way anymore.

Which is why he dropped a good mixtape, a great EP with some things that you haven't heard from him before (6 Feets Underground.. Who would expect that? It's better than what fucking Snoop Lion is doing and Yela isn't even a hippie lmao.) and a 10/10, fantastic mixtape which is TMR.

Since Radioactive, Yelawolf has put out nothing but quality material. Guess what? So has Slaughterhouse. Did you guys forget about On the House? Everyone was saying how great it was and wished WT:OH was more like that. They could have easily put out more cuts from the album and put out a compromised mixtape but they didnt. They went back to rapping how they did in the past. What about Success is Certain? Not one poppy song on the whole album. Royce could have easily went for the radio cause that was a perfect time to do it. But he didnt. "***** expect me to go pop. Oh stop". Do you guys not remember Budden coming out against the label and talking shit about how WT:OH was compromised? Do you really think he'll do it again? He even had a whole line censored on Gone about the label. Yela then goes and speaks poorly about the label and everyone jumps on his dick. SH does it and everyone just says whatever. I think this is just another case of liking the artist more so you side with them more no matter what. Similar to that Complex list about IaNAHB2 stats list on how many times Wayne referenced guns, his dick, pussy, ect... yet Eminem does it too.

TL;DR: Stop being lazy and read it bitch.

I put way to much into this cause I doubt we'll get very much discussion but..... yeah. Discuss.

First off, I agree about Success is Certain. But Royce was pretty much shit on the album, really disappointing.

Then, I agree about On The House. If they re-worked the album with some tracks from there, then maybe it wouldn't have sound as messy as it did. Because that mixtape clearly showcases who they really are, instead of who they're trying to be. They ARE lyrical backpack rappers, whether you like it or not. Their main goal was to make "Lyrical rap" cool, but they just tried to fit their "lyrical rap" into the mainstream sound that you're hearing on radios everyday.

Don't even talk about Budden being anti labels or compromising though. His last album just followed the WTOH/Radioactive/Recovery route. There were only a few great songs on there. Budden has changed, it seems. He's trying to get some money too.

That's why I think Recovery is a big album, tbh. It has influenced a lot of rappers and a lot of them released albums with that pattern thinking they could sell like he did.

Anyway, I'm one of the biggest YelaStan here but I tried to be unbiased and gave you a legit answer, I think.

[Francesco]

I don't want to put those two acts against each other only because their first Shady albums didn't work commercially as people have expected them to work when EM signed them.

I wasn't disappointed by both albums 'cuz I knew they were gonna be compromised. It was great enough they kept releasing other great material which wasn't compromised. It was all balanced out in great manner by both acts IMO. This is the reality of the music business today... adopt or die.

Eminem album was very compromised as well... it's not even about that nowadays.

Radioactive was a good album... it was made for the mainstream so I personally was never bothered 'cuz it was poppy or whatever. Yela balanced it out with his other stuff that came hard & that's all that matters.

I'm disappointed with Yela going double standard on it though... I mean he never said he was unhappy with the album been compromised when it was coming out. It was even the opposite... I wouldn't say he was praising it but he was definitely positive about it.
I understood him when he was unhappy with the shit promotion but I don't fuck with what he's saying now. I totally dislike shit like that 'cuz they didn't pay him & put him next to the biggest rapper of all time 'cuz they liked his business strategies... they only paid him 'cuz of his skills & talent they wanted to use over their own business strategies. It's simple... Yela could have rejected the offer 'cuz he wanted to do his own raw thang in Alabama but he got the money so now he must work his ass for a crossover status as an employee on the label.
Interscope's hip-hop section management & promotion abilities suck... I AGREE but all the rest he was talking about is total bull. I hope they'll shut his mouth as soon as possible 'cuz he's gonna look like a jackass when his next album comes as compromised as his first.

Yela pointing fingers in all directions 'cuz his core fans are unhappy about it is a fuck up. If anything, he should have paid attention to how Slaughterhouse members handled that same issue during the process of their album been on the way & should definitely pay attention to how they're handling all that right now getting prepared for their next one. I mean what he said is an outdated cliche & even sounds ridiculous nowadays 'cuz big labels won't pay a million dollar or so to someone & let him do underground shit when the masses of buyers want poppy shit. It very simple... he could either stay on his own & do his own shit or he could become someone's employee & work based on their strategy 'cuz they obviously would want profit out of their investment.

I will still support both acts again when their next albums come out only 'cuz they are from those music acts that will always be slept on commercially considering their skills put against their mass appeal

[tadpole25]

Honestly, Yelawolf is a very good rapper, but he needs to expand beyond "Hi, I'm a born-poor redneck asshole boyfriend who likes fast cars".

And Slaughterhouse, honestly, each quarter is good on their own but they just don't have the chemistry to make a group.

Granted, Shady 2.0 is better than YMCMB and MMG, but that's not saying much.

[Trimss]

Honestly, Yelawolf is a very good rapper, but he needs to expand beyond "Hi, I'm a born-poor redneck asshole boyfriend who likes fast cars".

Sir, you absolutely know nothing about Yelawolf.

[Fury]

Honestly, Yelawolf is a very good rapper, but he needs to expand beyond "Hi, I'm a born-poor redneck asshole boyfriend who likes fast cars".

And Slaughterhouse, honestly, each quarter is good on their own but they just don't have the chemistry to make a group.

Granted, Shady 2.0 is better than YMCMB and MMG, but that's not saying much.

I guess Eminem is a born-poor trailer trash asshole. He needs to expand beyond that.

[AbramIsaac]

K I'm gonna get shit for this but whatever. (I hate when people start topics like this lol)

I decided to make this thread after reading the thread on Crooked talking about the new SH album. Crooked said that Slaughterhouse is coming for blood with this one and people are already writing it off and saying it's not gonna be very good. Yelawolf DID THE SAME FUCKING THING with Love Story and everybody is praising the dude like he's for sure gonna make the next MMLP. Yelawolf compromised WAY harder on Radioactive than Slaughterhouse did on Welcome to Our House. Welcome to Our House >>>> Radioactive.

No, I think not. Slaughterhouse might have tried to stay true to what they did in terms of lyricism, but their style and content on WTOH was definitely a compromise. Their features and instrumentals, again, reek of compromise. Yelawolf compromised in the way that he was aiming for radio, but only two of his songs were actually out of place content-wise. The rest was just a little weak. Which album is better is a different debate, but I would say Radioactive, personally.

Yelawolf did straight up say that he's not gonna try to be on the radio anymore and Slaughterhouse hasnt said that yet I know, but everyone has already assumed that Slaughterhouse is just gonna put out Welcome to Our House 2 with this new one. "Coming for blood" doesnt exactly sound like they are aiming for radio. The only thing SH did wrong with WT:OH was pick bad beats and use to many singers for hooks. Aside from Park it Sideways, I cant think of one verse on the album that screams compromise.

"Coming for blood" doesn't actually say anything, unfortunately. We could hope that it means they'll be more raw, but their idea of that might be different from ours. Regardless, what they describe an upcoming album as doesn't really show growth, unless they describe what was wrong with the previous one.

Since Radioactive, Yelawolf has put out nothing but quality material. Guess what? So has Slaughterhouse. Did you guys forget about On the House? Everyone was saying how great it was and wished WT:OH was more like that. They could have easily put out more cuts from the album and put out a compromised mixtape but they didnt. They went back to rapping how they did in the past. What about Success is Certain? Not one poppy song on the whole album. Royce could have easily went for the radio cause that was a perfect time to do it. But he didnt. "***** expect me to go pop. Oh stop". Do you guys not remember Budden coming out against the label and talking shit about how WT:OH was compromised? Do you really think he'll do it again? He even had a whole line censored on Gone about the label. Yela then goes and speaks poorly about the label and everyone jumps on his dick. SH does it and everyone just says whatever. I think this is just another case of liking the artist more so you side with them more no matter what. Similar to that Complex list about IaNAHB2 stats list on how many times Wayne referenced guns, his dick, pussy, ect... yet Eminem does it too.

On the House was released before WTOH. Regardless of whether or not the songs are from the same sessions, they haven't really done anything since WTOH that demonstrates artistic growth. There's no point in putting out a commercial mixtape, because it isn't supported by the label or targeting radio. They put that out because they knew that some of their fans would be upset with their direction on WTOH. Success is Certain, again, was before WTOH. It can't really be used as an artistic integrity barometer, and despite how non-radio friendly it was, it was still a very lazy project by Royce. Not compromised, just lazy.

I'm not familiar with what Budden said. He also said that he "didn't give a fuck" if fans liked WTOH or OTH better, and that they could mix them together and "wipe your ass while you do it. We don't give a fuck". That's not to say that he doesn't understand the situation, or that other artists wouldn't act the same way when presented with criticism so soon after their album release. My point is that their actions will speak louder than words, so we'll see what happens next.

The reason people are reacting differently to what Yelawolf has said is that he isn't saying the same thing. Crooked I just came out and said that "lightweight" people were sleeping on it. Not that they tried to create a commercial album that their fans weren't feeling, and that it was a mistake. He points at the fans, and not himself. Yelawolf points at the label, but makes it clear that the reason the album wasn't received well by his fans is that it was artistically compromised.

I think this is just another case of liking the artist more so you side with them more no matter what. Similar to that Complex list about IaNAHB2 stats list on how many times Wayne referenced guns, his dick, pussy, ect... yet Eminem does it too

Nope.

Maybe that's the case for some people, I don't know. The reason the Complex list is so funny is that Lil Wayne doesn't have nearly the amount of technical skill as Eminem does in a song, so if the way he's saying something isn't impressive, the things he's saying better be. But they're not, and his over-use of these concepts without any redeeming qualities in his music is what makes people hate him. That's the difference.

Not that personal preference doesn't factor into it, but the circumstances are clearly different.

[TRShitty]

Yelawolf is white and angsty so people here like him.

Slaughterhouse is black, so people here don't like them.

It's not rocket science.

[R.A.W.]

Yelawolf likes to experiment with his music, and the whole theme of Radioactive was "Radio-active songs" (Probably by request from the label).
But I think he didn't look at it as a compromise but rather an experiment, a new sound for him.
And to be honest he made a really good album for what it was.
And then yelawolf got mad at interscope because he basically gave them what they asked for, but they still fucked up the promotion like they didn't really care for his album.

Slaughterhouse compromised, nothing much to say there.

[Despicable]

Both failed bigtime and SH and Yela needs to step up.
But Welcome To Our House >>>>>>>>>>Radioactive.

[BlueberryWun]

Can't get into either at all

[Just Silver]

i feel both artists will never reach their full musical potential under Ems management its like they slack especially SH