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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby ChristinaE12 » May 30th, '13, 02:14

bigray wrote:
ChristinaE12 wrote:Depends on which side you look at it, though. It should be my choice to wear it or not. But in the end, it's really not that hard to put it on either.


It already is your choice to wear a seatbelt or not, however if you disobey the law you will get a ticket. No one is forcing anyone to put it on. should parking be the same and my choice to park wherever I like as well? How about talking on the cell phone or text messaging, should that be my choice if I wanna talk or not?


Woahh.. Your comparisons are apples to oranges. Not wearing a seatbelt is only directly affecting yourself. Not anyone else. While your other two examples clearly not only affect you.. But others as well.

As far as being your choice. Well yeah, to an extent. But I was clearly going on the whole "law" aspect of it and getting ticketed.

I give a fuck less either way. I personally always wear mine, and so do all my passengers. But if some dumbass chooses not to wear one. They can deal with the consequences. Not me.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby SliK » May 30th, '13, 04:11

Yes seatbelt laws should exist and be enforced.

You are being quite close minded if you think killing yourself (by not wearing a seatbelt or otherwise) ONLY affects you.

What if person X decides not to wear a seatbelt because its his own choice and simply doesn't feel like it... Then he crashes and dies, leaving behind a wife with no job and 2 children. Should they then suffer for his poor decisions?

Seatbelt laws aren't just there to protect the individual, they are there to protect people (person X's family) from irresponsible decisions other people (person X) make.

Same with motorcycle helmets, speed limits, cellphone laws, drink driving laws, drug laws, everything. They are to protect OTHERS, not only the morons who endanger their own lives.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby ChristinaE12 » May 30th, '13, 06:27

bigray wrote:
Woahh.. Your comparisons are apples to oranges. Not wearing a seatbelt is only directly affecting yourself. Not anyone else. While your other two examples clearly not only affect you.. But others as well.


We are not talking about who or what is affecting you or not, it is the law and you have to follow it and like I said you do have a choice to wear it or not.

Not wearing your seat belt can affect others, lets say I crash into someone who has no seatbelt on and because of that he dies or is severely injured and if he was wearing a seatbelt the damages would be less.

The examples I gave were perfect since you were talking about choices.

I give a fuck less either way. I personally always wear mine, and so do all my passengers. But if some dumbass chooses not to wear one. They can deal with the consequences. Not me.


Yes and that is the way it is, if 1 of my passengers chooses not to put on his seatbelt he gets a ticket not me.


You are the one who brought up the comparisons and were trying to use them directly against. I was merely explaining how you can't compare the two as they are completely different. In every way. Which, therefore, makes zero sense in bringing up to begin with. I already said we do have a choice, technically. That is not what I was getting at. I explained that one already previously, too.

If you crash into someone who is not wearing their seatbelt. It was their choice not to. Therefore, it's their responsibility. Not yours cause you crashed into them. When you step into a vehicle you have to understand anything can happen. Doesn't matter who is at fault for the actual crash.

@ Slik. I knew someone was going to bring up that it affects your family shit. I actually had that in my post originally. And, obviously it will affect family. Everything you do, every choice you make in life is going to, somehow or someway... That isn't the point I was getting at. I should have worded it differently.

I was basically just trying to explain, simply, that you wearing your seatbelt can only harm you/family. Directly. Although it isn't going to kill/physically harm anyone else if you decide not to wear your own seatbelt. Unlike the others couple scenarios brought up. To where they are affecting everyone on the streets. Drivers and non drivers, alike.

But also, if a person has a wife and children at home... He should be thinking about that to begin with. People need to carry a little more responsibility on their own self. Wearing a seatbelt doesn't automatically mean you'll live anyways. But, I get the points made. It's much bigger than that though.

I think the bit on the speed limit, drinking/driving, cell phone, etc.. is a whole nother discussion.

In the end.. I, basically, just think people need to learn to think for themselves. Do right by themselves and when they fuck up.. Be responsible. To many fuckin whiny bitches these days.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby SliK » May 30th, '13, 07:17

But laws are there because people generally don't act responsibly. Is it the family's fault if the husband doesn't wear his seatbelt? Of course not, so why lump them in with him? by saying "it only affects him/his family" - already you are acknowledging it affects people other than himself. Just because they are his family doesnt mean they deserve less protection from his irresponsible choices. That's why we have Govenments who make laws like this, to provide a level of security for all their citizens, even the families of irresponsible drivers.

Same reason motorcycle helmets are mandatory and heroin is illegal.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby ChristinaE12 » May 30th, '13, 07:35

Well, here, as well as many other places, motorcycle helmets are not mandatory. That is why I said that is a whole different discussion, really. Weed is illegal, but who has that directly killed?

I get what you're saying and I do agree to a certain extent. But, I think it is not always necessary to make laws because people are fuckin stupid. Some things/people can't be fixed. I already said everything you ever do in life affects you and family. In one way or another. Why not have more laws then? To completely protect from stupidity, immaturity, irresponsibility.. It's not fool-proof. Never will, nor can be. Shit isn't so black or white.

No, it's not the families fault but it was his actions. Why should it always be up to the government?

It really comes down to, as far as I go.. I don't think the government needs to always step in. They have too much power as it is. That is my main problem with a lot of it.

People/objects can't always be there to save your ass.

Oh, and something else that I truly don't get.. You have seatbelt laws.. Yet, you can sit in the back of a truck bed. School Buses/Buses, in general, typically don't have seatbelts..Etc.

Make laws, do it right? Not half assed. Wouldn't you agree...

And I still don't care either way. As I said, I always wear my seatbelt. As do my passengers. I won't put it in gear until everyone is buckled. But I'm just looking at it from all sides.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby SliK » May 30th, '13, 07:57

So what you're saying is you understand and acknowledge all the positives of these laws but because you think the Goverment has too much power... We should abolish seatbelt laws?

Motorcycle helmets are mandatory in my country, so it's exactly the same thing.

Why don't you show me some statistics proving seatbelts and helmets endanger lives. You can't though, because they're extremely beneficial, in which case, I don't know why you have a problem with these laws. Should we just remove all laws and say "hey, you got in a car and decided to drive and got killed by a drink driver. But it's your fault, you chose to drive! We can't have laws outlawing drink driving just to protect other people!" What is it you said -- "People/objects can't always be there to save your life".
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby SliK » May 30th, '13, 08:09

In Australia if any of your passengers aren't wearing a seatbelt you get fined. One fine and 3 points per infringement, with a total of 12 points over a few years resulting in the loss of your drivers license.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby UofLCard » May 30th, '13, 17:20

I don't see why some people are so against wrapping a belt around you and clipping it in, tbh. I know of a girl whose cousin died when he flew through the windshield.

It makes me cringe when I see irresponsible parents with kids who are not buckled in. The state law phrase in Kentucky is "Click It Or Ticket". It's always been a force of habit for me to buckle myself, FWIW.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby Just Silver » May 30th, '13, 17:24

I'm not against seat belts I'm against the ticket if not used
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby Just Silver » May 30th, '13, 17:27

bigray wrote:Just curious what do you suggest other than a ticket? Jail time?

No nothing , if u were pulled over chances are it's over something other than a belt
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby Just Silver » May 30th, '13, 17:30

I know risks are involved my point is money shouldn't be needed

Maybe an essay at the most
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby Just Silver » May 30th, '13, 17:36

bigray wrote:
Just Silver wrote:I know risks are involved my point is money shouldn't be needed

Maybe an essay at the most


Always when money is involved people would rather follow the law than pay the ticket so by getting a ticket it helps implement the law.

An essay lol thats funny :laughing:

It'd piss people off just as much there was a weed dealer online i read about

And he had to write a long essay lol

Plus it'd get you actually thinking of dangers not your bank
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby Atone » May 30th, '13, 17:54

Seatbelt saved my life, when the movie I Am Legend came out, me and 2 friends went to see the movie, on the way there some dumbass ran a red light, my friend was driving and hit a patch of black ice so we couldn't really stop so we smashed into the other guys truck at full speed, i don't remember much of what happened while the wreck was happening or after, cuz i ended up with a concussion, but i do remember that the car was totaled, the front end was smashed all the way to the windshield, and then i remember sitting in the police station waiting for a ride to pick us up, if i was not wearing my seat belt, i would have been dead.

Now, a friend of mine died in 2007, she was in the back seat of a S.U.V not wearing her seat belt, they got in a wreck and she flew out the windshield, her head litterally cracked open to where her brain was falling out, she died instantly and the driver (who was her best friend since elementary school) stayed by her side and waited for help, but because of the circumstances, the fact they were all drinking, and the friend was not wearing a seat belt, she got charged with involantary manslughter.
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby Just Silver » May 30th, '13, 17:57

My point is still the ticket price not the value of ones life

Seatbelts are good don't get me wrong it saves lives
But does a ticket really do much to someone that didn't wear one
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Re: seatbelt laws

Postby cheeseburger » May 30th, '13, 18:19

Technically, you could crash, fly out of the window and kill someone.

Enforce seatbelt laws.
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