Why MMLP II?

[OutlawƎ]

Why MMLP2?
Because he wanted to .


We can't tell if it was a good decision until November 5th .

[Chilltown-JAKE]

Thread of the year, folks.

[kkaniff]

@JamaicanPrattlez, I have it on good authority that his marsh is indeed mellow, with a slightly salty tang. And who said he doesnt fuck white guys, he fucked Skylar didnt he?

[Jimmy Conway]

Because he thinks if he distracts us with a shocking name and blonde hair we will forget how shitty his music has become.

[kkaniff]

Welcome. Slim Cary, I have been expecting you.
So he'll distract us from thinking about and comparing it to the lyrical brilliance of MMLP by naming it after MMLP. That is brilliant.

[EminemBase]

"same creative mindspace as when on drugs"

Anybody who thinks he created SSLP-TES whilst addicted to anything is a moron.

He did ecstasy and LSD casually... that's not 'on' drugs by any stretch. Doing drugs like that, casually, does not affect your daily functioning or mindset. He was a sober person, who dabbled.

Drugs only affect your functioning when you have a problem and reliance.

Anybody who thinks you can be so consistent whilst addicted to anything has no experience with it. If you want him in the same headspace as on drugs, you want Encore.

Sober Em created the masterpieces.

//

As for why MMLP2? I'd personally say that he's confronting the elephant in the room. Everything he's done post MMLP has been / is compared to it; so he probably understands that he'll never escape that comparison and so the ballsiest move at this point is to try and top it.

Also, he's always been about that mindset @ confronting the elephant in the room; people said he was homophobic and sexist, and that's why we got MMLP to begin with; MMLP is a concept album, based on a very simple, schoolyard taunt "I am, whatever you say I am"... he simply became what everybody said he was in critcism, he exploited misunderstanding to create an ironic masterpiece...

Now, he's pretty much always done that on and off on his albums anyway, but MMLP was a fully-fledged pledge and commit to that mindset, and it's a front-to-back powerhouse of stubborn brilliance; a total refusal to compromise on any level and to push freedom of speech to its limit...

He also initially said Relapse 2 was 'like a kind of sequel to MMLP'... in the same way that Relapse 1 was supposed to be that for 'SSLP', and at the time - before even #1 came out, 50 said that R2 was "exciting" and that his favourite stuff was from that period...

So my guess is... Em did Recovery, and he's seen people go back and praise Relapse now, realizes fans and his own mindset can be fickle and it's useless listening to anybody and to just trust his instinct and go all the fuck out and be a stubborn artistic prick again... so, I think 'Relapse 2' WAS supposed to be what we're getting now; not literally the same songs, album or sound... but he intended 'Relapse 2' to be this moment here... but then flipped... and now I'd say he's flipped back, and rather than disguise the MMLP sequel under another title, he probably feels it's ballsier to just call it that.

The fact he's done this, is a very promising sign, artistically... I'd thought we'd lost him to bullshit forever once he flipped... the only question is now, will the music justify it.

Also; this sounds, so far, nothing like MMLP musically (which I'm glad of by the way, I don't want a repeat) - so I also doubt he'd attach MMLP's title to it unless this album shared similar themes or that similar mindset of trying to piss the world off and having a totally relentless back-to-front album of relentless, genius mind spewing, gob-shiting, and brilliant concepts.

PS. I hope he does actually have some real concepts; given that he's ASKING us to compare this to MMLP... he MUST have some insane fucking stories or concepts up his sleeve, as he knows "Stan" and "Kim" are the pivotal dramatic moments that this album needs to compete with somehow... and now that Royce / nightmare comment is sounding all the more promising. Let's see.

[Jimmy Conway]

"same creative mindspace as when on drugs"

Anybody who thinks he created SSLP-TES whilst addicted to anything is a moron.

He did ecstasy and LSD casually... that's not 'on' drugs by any stretch.

Anybody who thinks you can be so consistent whilst addicted to anything has no experience with it.

If you want him in the same headspace as on drugs, you want Encore.

Sober Em created the masterpieces.

He was addicted to drugs then too. But stay in your denial that Em just became addicted the day before he started recording Encore.

I'M NOT ADDICTED, I ONLY DO ECSTASY,LSD, WEED, PERCOCET,ALCOHOL AND WHATEVER ELSE IS BACK STAGE AT THE TIME, I CAN QUIT ANYTIME.
Addiction can be a long process. It takes years sometimes to break people down.

[LMShady]

I was thinking, what will it say on the cover... The Marshall Mathers LP 2 or just MMLP2?

[EminemBase]

"same creative mindspace as when on drugs"

Anybody who thinks he created SSLP-TES whilst addicted to anything is a moron.

He did ecstasy and LSD casually... that's not 'on' drugs by any stretch.

Anybody who thinks you can be so consistent whilst addicted to anything has no experience with it.

If you want him in the same headspace as on drugs, you want Encore.

Sober Em created the masterpieces.

He was addicted to drugs then too. But stay in your denial that Em just became addicted the day before he started recording Encore.

I'M NOT ADDICTED, I ONLY DO ECSTASY,LSD, WEED, PERCOCET,ALCOHOL AND WHATEVER ELSE IS BACK STAGE AT THE TIME, I CAN QUIT ANYTIME.
Addiction can be a long process. It takes years sometimes to break people down.

No he wasn't.

You're seriously fucking dumb and have no experience with drugs if you think you can be addicted to ANYTHING and write as consistently and sharply as SSLP-TES lmao.

He even fucking says himself - he did some ecstasy whilst out on tour, and some mushrooms in hotel rooms ffs; that's entirely different to being high at home 24/7 and NEEDING drugs to function or be happy, and it has no fucking interference with your process or creativity.

He was not high when writing his tracks or at home thinking out concepts.

He was not doing drugs daily, or even probably weekly; saying you're 'addicted' to drugs if you do some pills whilst out on tour is like saying you're an alcoholic if you have a few beers with your friends each weekend. That's not addiction. If you think it is, you've never been addicted.

Him on 106 & Park in 2006... THAT is addiction.

You can NOT create consistently when addicted. Hence: Encore.

[Jimmy Conway]

Kurt Cobain was on heroin when he wrote Nevermind and In Utero, both considered classic rock albums.


Drugs have fueled music forever. But I've learned that people have trouble letting go of ignorance and stupidity and will stick to their point, no matter what. So I'm not going to argue with you for ten pages about something that happened to someone ten years ago that neither of us know.

[EminemBase]

Kurt Cobain was on heroin when he wrote Nevermind and In Utero, both considered classic rock albums.


Drugs have fueled music forever. But I've learned that people have trouble letting go of ignorance and stupidity and will stick to their point, no matter what. So I'm not going to argue with you for ten pages about something that happened to someone ten years ago that neither of us know.

Have you ever been addicted to, or heavily used and relied on drugs?

I do know, as I have a lot of experience with drugs, know a lot about them and what they do to you and your mind, have been around them and people who use drugs for half of my life and KNOW that Eminem did NOT write any fucking song on SSLP-MMLP-TES whilst he was high on anything.

He may have recorded some songs slightly buzzed, if that; but he did not write anything in that era whilst high, again, if you think he did - you have no idea what you're talking about.

People who think drugs are the source of his brilliance are fucking idiots.

Drugs don't create a genius and his brilliance with rhyme schemes and vocal performance are hard crafts which took him a life-time of sober, hard-earned fucking practice. Drugs do not create that, they hinder and toxify that process, you can't get REALLLLLY fucking good at anything whilst constantly using drugs; and his concepts came about due to the time period.

All of his concepts are reflections of what people were saying about him or the reality around him @ 'role model' / 'criminal' / 'stan (obsessed fans'... these were new things to him at the time, hence the initial influx of brilliance which feels less creative since ; because he is a reactionary artist, and considering he's already endured the swell of his initial reaction... he now has to dig deeper, and think harder. His craft is still there, now he needs to think of concepts; before - they were in front of his face; he had never experienced what he experienced and the concepts were obvious.

None of that comes from drugs, and none of his brilliance does either.

[SoggyOnionRings]

"same creative mindspace as when on drugs"

Anybody who thinks he created SSLP-TES whilst addicted to anything is a moron.

He did ecstasy and LSD casually... that's not 'on' drugs by any stretch.

Anybody who thinks you can be so consistent whilst addicted to anything has no experience with it.

If you want him in the same headspace as on drugs, you want Encore.

Sober Em created the masterpieces.

He was addicted to drugs then too. But stay in your denial that Em just became addicted the day before he started recording Encore.

I'M NOT ADDICTED, I ONLY DO ECSTASY,LSD, WEED, PERCOCET,ALCOHOL AND WHATEVER ELSE IS BACK STAGE AT THE TIME, I CAN QUIT ANYTIME.
Addiction can be a long process. It takes years sometimes to break people down.

No he wasn't.

You're seriously fucking dumb and have no experience with drugs if you think you can be addicted to ANYTHING and write as consistently and sharply as SSLP-TES lmao.

He even fucking says himself - he did some ecstasy whilst out on tour, and some mushrooms in hotel rooms ffs; that's entirely different to being high at home 24/7 and NEEDING drugs to function or be happy, and it has no fucking interference with your process or creativity.

He was not high when writing his tracks or at home thinking out concepts.

He was not doing drugs daily, or even probably weekly; saying you're 'addicted' to drugs if you do some pills whilst out on tour is like saying you're an alcoholic if you have a few beers with your friends each weekend. That's not addiction. If you think it is, you've never been addicted.

Him on 106 & Park in 2006... THAT is addiction.

You can NOT create consistently when addicted. Hence: Encore.

Woah, just watched that 106 and Park interview... It's really hard seeing him like that. Watching stuff like that makes you really, really, really appreciate his form nowadays and that he's actually still here. Nice to see 50 having Em's back as well...

[Notalius]

Kurt Cobain was on heroin when he wrote Nevermind and In Utero, both considered classic rock albums.


Drugs have fueled music forever. But I've learned that people have trouble letting go of ignorance and stupidity and will stick to their point, no matter what. So I'm not going to argue with you for ten pages about something that happened to someone ten years ago that neither of us know.

Have you ever been addicted to, or heavily used and relied on drugs?

I do know, as I have a lot of experience with drugs, know a lot about them and what they do to you and your mind, have been around them and people who use drugs for half of my life and KNOW that Eminem did NOT write any fucking song on SSLP-MMLP-TES whilst he was high on anything.

He may have recorded some songs slightly buzzed, if that; but he did not write anything in that era whilst high, again, if you think he did - you have no idea what you're talking about.

People who think drugs are the source of his brilliance are fucking idiots.

Drugs don't create a genius and his brilliance with rhyme schemes and vocal performance are hard crafts which took him a life-time of sober, hard-earned fucking practice. Drugs do not create that, they hinder and toxify that process, you can't get REALLLLLY fucking good at anything whilst constantly using drugs; and his concepts came about due to the time period.

All of his concepts are reflections of what people were saying about him or the reality around him @ 'role model' / 'criminal' / 'stan (obsessed fans'... these were new things to him at the time, hence the initial influx of brilliance which feels less creative since ; because he is a reactionary artist, and considering he's already endured the swell of his initial reaction... he now has to dig deeper, and think harder. His craft is still there, now he needs to think of concepts; before - they were in front of his face; he had never experienced what he experienced and the concepts were obvious.

None of that comes from drugs, and none of his brilliance does either.

this.. but I'm pretty sure he did TES completely sober, not even doing drugs occasionally, because of his probation and how they were checking him constantly

[Hopsinshadie]

There are so many possibilities. Who knows what direction he is heading. For one, it's 2013 and he's 40 and hasn't shown any signs of ever doing another MMLP type album again, but if you look at his site, it seems like he's back. Very ballsy if he's really trying to compete with that masterpiece.

So if Eminem is going to dig deep, he might blow us away with some concepts such as..
Bashing Recovery, admitting he was trying to fit in, similar to how he admitted he was jealous of Wayne. Taking huge shots at rappers.

Or we might just get a mature Eminem that made this album to show how much he's evolved and not that guy anymore. We could be getting plenty of berzerk type tracks, where he's changing his voice sporadically.

[Hopsinshadie]

"same creative mindspace as when on drugs"

Anybody who thinks he created SSLP-TES whilst addicted to anything is a moron.

He did ecstasy and LSD casually... that's not 'on' drugs by any stretch. Doing drugs like that, casually, does not affect your daily functioning or mindset. He was a sober person, who dabbled.

Drugs only affect your functioning when you have a problem and reliance.

Anybody who thinks you can be so consistent whilst addicted to anything has no experience with it. If you want him in the same headspace as on drugs, you want Encore.

Sober Em created the masterpieces.

//

As for why MMLP2? I'd personally say that he's confronting the elephant in the room. Everything he's done post MMLP has been / is compared to it; so he probably understands that he'll never escape that comparison and so the ballsiest move at this point is to try and top it.

Also, he's always been about that mindset @ confronting the elephant in the room; people said he was homophobic and sexist, and that's why we got MMLP to begin with; MMLP is a concept album, based on a very simple, schoolyard taunt "I am, whatever you say I am"... he simply became what everybody said he was in critcism, he exploited misunderstanding to create an ironic masterpiece...

Now, he's pretty much always done that on and off on his albums anyway, but MMLP was a fully-fledged pledge and commit to that mindset, and it's a front-to-back powerhouse of stubborn brilliance; a total refusal to compromise on any level and to push freedom of speech to its limit...

He also initially said Relapse 2 was 'like a kind of sequel to MMLP'... in the same way that Relapse 1 was supposed to be that for 'SSLP', and at the time - before even #1 came out, 50 said that R2 was "exciting" and that his favourite stuff was from that period...

So my guess is... Em did Recovery, and he's seen people go back and praise Relapse now, realizes fans and his own mindset can be fickle and it's useless listening to anybody and to just trust his instinct and go all the fuck out and be a stubborn artistic prick again... so, I think 'Relapse 2' WAS supposed to be what we're getting now; not literally the same songs, album or sound... but he intended 'Relapse 2' to be this moment here... but then flipped... and now I'd say he's flipped back, and rather than disguise the MMLP sequel under another title, he probably feels it's ballsier to just call it that.

The fact he's done this, is a very promising sign, artistically... I'd thought we'd lost him to bullshit forever once he flipped... the only question is now, will the music justify it.

Also; this sounds, so far, nothing like MMLP musically (which I'm glad of by the way, I don't want a repeat) - so I also doubt he'd attach MMLP's title to it unless this album shared similar themes or that similar mindset of trying to piss the world off and having a totally relentless back-to-front album of relentless, genius mind spewing, gob-shiting, and brilliant concepts.

PS. I hope he does actually have some real concepts; given that he's ASKING us to compare this to MMLP... he MUST have some insane fucking stories or concepts up his sleeve, as he knows "Stan" and "Kim" are the pivotal dramatic moments that this album needs to compete with somehow... and now that Royce / nightmare comment is sounding all the more promising. Let's see.

Well I hope you're right. I always thought Eminem had more to Relapse than just the Refill. Relapse was just a warm up. I feel that he couldn't make a Recovery after MMLP 2. If he was ever going to make a Recovery, it had to be BEFORE the MMLP2. That way we'd get more shock value given that we don't expect anything super shocking, especially since Recovery is what people expect. Smart move if that's the case.