Why MMLP II?

[Notalius]

"same creative mindspace as when on drugs"

Anybody who thinks he created SSLP-TES whilst addicted to anything is a moron.

He did ecstasy and LSD casually... that's not 'on' drugs by any stretch. Doing drugs like that, casually, does not affect your daily functioning or mindset. He was a sober person, who dabbled.

Drugs only affect your functioning when you have a problem and reliance.

Anybody who thinks you can be so consistent whilst addicted to anything has no experience with it. If you want him in the same headspace as on drugs, you want Encore.

Sober Em created the masterpieces.

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As for why MMLP2? I'd personally say that he's confronting the elephant in the room. Everything he's done post MMLP has been / is compared to it; so he probably understands that he'll never escape that comparison and so the ballsiest move at this point is to try and top it.

Also, he's always been about that mindset @ confronting the elephant in the room; people said he was homophobic and sexist, and that's why we got MMLP to begin with; MMLP is a concept album, based on a very simple, schoolyard taunt "I am, whatever you say I am"... he simply became what everybody said he was in critcism, he exploited misunderstanding to create an ironic masterpiece...

Now, he's pretty much always done that on and off on his albums anyway, but MMLP was a fully-fledged pledge and commit to that mindset, and it's a front-to-back powerhouse of stubborn brilliance; a total refusal to compromise on any level and to push freedom of speech to its limit...

He also initially said Relapse 2 was 'like a kind of sequel to MMLP'... in the same way that Relapse 1 was supposed to be that for 'SSLP', and at the time - before even #1 came out, 50 said that R2 was "exciting" and that his favourite stuff was from that period...

So my guess is... Em did Recovery, and he's seen people go back and praise Relapse now, realizes fans and his own mindset can be fickle and it's useless listening to anybody and to just trust his instinct and go all the fuck out and be a stubborn artistic prick again... so, I think 'Relapse 2' WAS supposed to be what we're getting now; not literally the same songs, album or sound... but he intended 'Relapse 2' to be this moment here... but then flipped... and now I'd say he's flipped back, and rather than disguise the MMLP sequel under another title, he probably feels it's ballsier to just call it that.

The fact he's done this, is a very promising sign, artistically... I'd thought we'd lost him to bullshit forever once he flipped... the only question is now, will the music justify it.

Also; this sounds, so far, nothing like MMLP musically (which I'm glad of by the way, I don't want a repeat) - so I also doubt he'd attach MMLP's title to it unless this album shared similar themes or that similar mindset of trying to piss the world off and having a totally relentless back-to-front album of relentless, genius mind spewing, gob-shiting, and brilliant concepts.

PS. I hope he does actually have some real concepts; given that he's ASKING us to compare this to MMLP... he MUST have some insane fucking stories or concepts up his sleeve, as he knows "Stan" and "Kim" are the pivotal dramatic moments that this album needs to compete with somehow... and now that Royce / nightmare comment is sounding all the more promising. Let's see.

Well I hope you're right. I always thought Eminem had more to Relapse than just the Refill. Relapse was just a warm up. I feel that he couldn't make a Recovery after MMLP 2. If he was ever going to make a Recovery, it had to be BEFORE the MMLP2. That way we'd get more shock value given that we don't expect anything super shocking, especially since Recovery is what people expect. Smart move if that's the case.

he isn't saying that he'll take relapse 2 tracks and put them on the album, but I do think that relapse might have been completely different in terms of voice, flow and content and therefor being more like a MMLP sequel rather than a relapse sequel

[EminemBase]

"same creative mindspace as when on drugs"

Anybody who thinks he created SSLP-TES whilst addicted to anything is a moron.

He did ecstasy and LSD casually... that's not 'on' drugs by any stretch. Doing drugs like that, casually, does not affect your daily functioning or mindset. He was a sober person, who dabbled.

Drugs only affect your functioning when you have a problem and reliance.

Anybody who thinks you can be so consistent whilst addicted to anything has no experience with it. If you want him in the same headspace as on drugs, you want Encore.

Sober Em created the masterpieces.

//

As for why MMLP2? I'd personally say that he's confronting the elephant in the room. Everything he's done post MMLP has been / is compared to it; so he probably understands that he'll never escape that comparison and so the ballsiest move at this point is to try and top it.

Also, he's always been about that mindset @ confronting the elephant in the room; people said he was homophobic and sexist, and that's why we got MMLP to begin with; MMLP is a concept album, based on a very simple, schoolyard taunt "I am, whatever you say I am"... he simply became what everybody said he was in critcism, he exploited misunderstanding to create an ironic masterpiece...

Now, he's pretty much always done that on and off on his albums anyway, but MMLP was a fully-fledged pledge and commit to that mindset, and it's a front-to-back powerhouse of stubborn brilliance; a total refusal to compromise on any level and to push freedom of speech to its limit...

He also initially said Relapse 2 was 'like a kind of sequel to MMLP'... in the same way that Relapse 1 was supposed to be that for 'SSLP', and at the time - before even #1 came out, 50 said that R2 was "exciting" and that his favourite stuff was from that period...

So my guess is... Em did Recovery, and he's seen people go back and praise Relapse now, realizes fans and his own mindset can be fickle and it's useless listening to anybody and to just trust his instinct and go all the fuck out and be a stubborn artistic prick again... so, I think 'Relapse 2' WAS supposed to be what we're getting now; not literally the same songs, album or sound... but he intended 'Relapse 2' to be this moment here... but then flipped... and now I'd say he's flipped back, and rather than disguise the MMLP sequel under another title, he probably feels it's ballsier to just call it that.

The fact he's done this, is a very promising sign, artistically... I'd thought we'd lost him to bullshit forever once he flipped... the only question is now, will the music justify it.

Also; this sounds, so far, nothing like MMLP musically (which I'm glad of by the way, I don't want a repeat) - so I also doubt he'd attach MMLP's title to it unless this album shared similar themes or that similar mindset of trying to piss the world off and having a totally relentless back-to-front album of relentless, genius mind spewing, gob-shiting, and brilliant concepts.

PS. I hope he does actually have some real concepts; given that he's ASKING us to compare this to MMLP... he MUST have some insane fucking stories or concepts up his sleeve, as he knows "Stan" and "Kim" are the pivotal dramatic moments that this album needs to compete with somehow... and now that Royce / nightmare comment is sounding all the more promising. Let's see.

Well I hope you're right. I always thought Eminem had more to Relapse than just the Refill. Relapse was just a warm up. I feel that he couldn't make a Recovery after MMLP 2. If he was ever going to make a Recovery, it had to be BEFORE the MMLP2. That way we'd get more shock value given that we don't expect anything super shocking, especially since Recovery is what people expect. Smart move if that's the case.

Well he did have more to Relapse... it was called Relapse 2... and I believe we got a glimpse of it in his incredible 09 Westwood freestyle. We can see why 50 referred to it as "exciting"... Em intended Relapse 2 to be the MMLP2 of this era... now he's just gone ahead and created that head-on.

If MMLP2 is genius... I'll be glad he listened to fans and made Recovery etc. or we wouldn't have gotten MMLP2, but if it's dogshit/ a let down... it'll only heighten the annoyance at not getting R2.

[4Corners]

I'm not a fan of sequels in music, basically because I like when the material for that particular album stands on its own. But hey, it's his choice, who the fuck are any of us??? No one.

He put a lot of pressure on himself by naming it that though. Even if the album came remotely close to being equal with MMLP, it would be thought of as another good Em album after Eminem Show but doesn't match his earlier work at all.

It would have to be even better than MMLP for people to even say its on par with it, if that makes sense.

[4Corners]

For example. Stillmatic was dope, a real real dope album. Nowhere near as good as Illmatic though. He was in the ballpark at least though, he made a really great album in Stillmatic and signified that Nas was back after some sub par work prior to that album.

I think that's the best case for MMLP2. Something that is still dope, in the ballpark with MMLP, but not quite as good, but still ultimately adds to his legacy.

[Arrinef]

What then? Infinite 2? Lel.

the poverty and sadness of infinite makes me want to go back in time to give em bus money each time i give the cd a spin

a part two would be wack

why mmlp2? cause it just is

[Mike1]

lol, I like how everyone is just derailing the thread, love it.

[Sekou]

which article is OP talking bout?

[emchick]

For example. Stillmatic was dope, a real real dope album. Nowhere near as good as Illmatic though. He was in the ballpark at least though, he made a really great album in Stillmatic and signified that Nas was back after some sub par work prior to that album.

I think that's the best case for MMLP2. Something that is still dope, in the ballpark with MMLP, but not quite as good, but still ultimately adds to his legacy.

If you want the receipe of how to tarnish a classic with a sub-par sequel, ask Lloyd Banks...

[Mike1]

which article is OP talking bout?

I think this one: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=163327
I could be wrong though.

[kkaniff]

Nah, you're right. That's the abomination.

[MDesigns]

Either hes cashing in on his best selling albums name or he actually feels that its part 2 of MMLP