How and why do you think Rick Rubin got involved in MMLP2?

[M15HKA]

Holy shit, people hate Yeezus? Granted, it's not MBDTF, but I still think it's pretty great even if it was mostly a lyrical afterthought for Kanye.

LOL

Kanye would puke and you all would go lick that shit up. Yeezus was shit.

x2 it was horrific and i gave it a full listen about 5 times over two weeks

[momentsgolden]

To answer Revolutionary.... Yeezus happened for two reasons

1. Rick Rubin does not write. So, it doesn't matter how long they would have worked on Yeezus, the lyrics were always going to be rudimentary. Being the person that he is, he pushes you to the limit of your ability and in this case its probably the best writing current Kanye can muster.

2. The artist would create the direction they want to go and he makes it the best in that direction. So, "minimal, hard and edgy" was Kany's idea and it was Rubin who tried to make the best of that. What that means is what appeals to him might not appeal to you.

With that said, while i am VERY happy he is involved, it gets me worried about what Eminem thinks the essence of MMLP is. Does he take it as provocative music? Throwback music? Effortless reactions? Teen angst? Slim shady? Humour? Social commentary?

He's brain is washed out and he probably no longer has a clear idea of how his thought process was during the creation of that masterpiece. Lets hope the pieces he picks up on make for a good direction

[_Hawk_]

I've listened to Yeezus a lot since it dropped, and it definitely grows on you.

Music is extremely subjective, so whilst for a rap album the lyricism on Yeezus is sadly missing, it makes up for its lyrical simplicity through the overall meaning of the album. It is a very important album for hip hop, as it shows just how versatile the genre can be in terms of sound. New Slaves and Blood on the Leaves especially cover some serious topics which hip hop has never really addressed. I wouldn't say that these two tracks are very well written, however I enjoy them and especially appreciate the issues which Kanye is tackling.

I am sorry to sound like a Kanye Stan (please ignore my profile pic as I make this comment) but I would definitely say that Black Skinhead is a better first single than Berzerk. Anyone who thinks it is purely a black civil rights song is delusional. The two are very different sounds, but very similar in marking a clear divergence from current rap trends. The overall concept of Black Skinhead elevates it above Beezerk for me, as both are hardly lyrical masterpieces. Berzerk is definitely the better written of the two, but besides from the first verse, Em is really just rehashing old topics. It is a great intro for the MMLP2.


I think most of the Yeezus hate stems from either a personal resentment for that type of sound in rap, or an inability to actually understand the album. We always hate what we can't understand.

[M15HKA]

New Slaves and Blood on the Leaves especially cover some serious topics which hip hop has never really addressed.

Blood on the Leaves does not address shit, the sample may be to do with race relations but his writing clearly has nothing to do with the subject matter.

New Slaves although enjoyable is a walking contradiction and is littered with irony.

I don't mind Kanye, actually own most of his albums but Yeezus was horrible and I gave it enough listens to establish that. You would have thought with the 5+ writers assisting him and so many people assisting him with production he would put out something better than that trash.

[kkaniff]

Agree 100 percent with M15HKA, and I actually like Yeezus.

[_Hawk_]

New Slaves and Blood on the Leaves especially cover some serious topics which hip hop has never really addressed.

Blood on the Leaves does not address shit, the sample may be to do with race relations but his writing clearly has nothing to do with the subject matter.

New Slaves although enjoyable is a walking contradiction and is littered with irony.

I don't mind Kanye, actually own most of his albums but Yeezus was horrible and I gave it enough listens to establish that. You would have thought with the 5+ writers assisting him and so many people assisting him with production he would put out something better than that trash.

Blood on the Leaves does have a meaning. It just isn't obvious.

The strange fruit samples highlights the atrocity of the race-relations during the civil rights era (obviously as an inheritance from the period of slavery) whilst kanye's lyrics offer a juxtaposition by targeting how pathetic our own "problems" of infidelity and the like are in comparison.

The whole album is a contradiction. Kanye knows how materialistic he is, which is why he adopts this Jesus persona to attack the system as the main cog in the wheel.


I am not trying to justify the album with artsy-bull shit, but certainly for these two tracks I enjoy them for their sound and appreciate their meaning.

Please bear in mind that music offers me so many different forms of enjoyment. I can enjoy a song literally for the sound, whilst at the same time I can love another track because I can connect with its meaning or artistic importance (like Kim)

[geoff]

Lol people like yeezus...