Marijuana (Good, Bad, Ugly?)

[AbramIsaac]

Nah, I get where you're coming from, I'm just saying that as far as I know--and my knowledge of mental health is far from comprehensive-the studies supporting that theory are based on the fact that a high number of schizophrenics report having used marijuana as adolescents. The issue that some people take with that is that young people with mental health issues are more likely to use marijuana anyway before they are diagnosed.

It's kind of like saying that because a dog walks a circle prior to laying down, the fact that the dog walks a circle must have caused it to sit down.

[Hadez]

I've only smoked cigarettes, but never smoked weed or done any drugs. Although smoking weed I would think is healthier than smoking cigarettes or I might be wrong.

You'd be very correct actually.

Most recently weed has hindered the symptoms of autism.

WHY ISNT THIS LEGAL

saying something does some good doesn't make it all the way good. at the end of the day, regardless of the "positives" to weed, it's still a mind altering substance. yes, alcohol is too. why is it legal? i couldn't tell you. the only thing i can think of is they tried banning it in the past and that didn't turn out too well so they reversed the ban. i think it's just too late to make alcohol illegal. especially since in the past 5 or so years alcohol has been growing even more popular than it already was. 10 years ago you could say you don't drink and someone would just be like "oh ok." say that now and it's "omfg what's wrong with you."

that being said, "alcohol is legal so weed should be too" is also not a valid reason to legalize something. my biggest issue with legalizing this is it's just another thing people will abuse. people always use themselves as the example. "i won't abuse it so no one else will." actually no, they'll abuse it like they do alcohol. honestly no good can come of it.

lastly, i didn't read all the comments in this thread, but i have never seen anyone that doesn't smoke weed that is an active believer in legalizing this (active believer as in actually desiring for it to be legalized). seems like only weed smokers actually want it and they're upset that it isn't.

[SliK]

^ Your last comment is way off, many people support the legalization of weed who don't smoke it. Plenty of my friends support the idea of legalization and many of them have never tried it in their lives. Not just my friends though, you can read on forums that a lot of people support it. Many people who support but don't use just aren't actively fighting for legalization, that doesn't mean they don't support it. That's like saying "Only gay people want same sex marriage just because most of the people who really push for it are gay". Of course, since same sex marriage is now "cool" and socially acceptable people are a lot more open to support it, so you will see more people who aren't gay actively pushing for it but that's a different issue.

Good CAN come of it. It will stimulate the economy, provide legitimate employment and generate tax for the states.

[Fleka]

Weed should be legal. It`s only bad when you smoke too much. Like everything else, if you go too far with it-it is bad.

[mdemaz]

Honestly, I hope they legalize it world wide.

Just smoke it responsibly.

I don't smoke it, but, the laws are fucking stupid.
I've seen many kids go off the rails over it.

[Fleka]

I smoke. Rarely though, few times in a year maybe.
Weed is no worse than alcohol. Or coffee. Or cigarettes. People that overuse it have problems. Just like alcoholics, smokers or junk food junkies. No point in weed being illegal.

[Kill You]

It's ridiculous it's not legalized.

Weed is BETTER than alcohol, coffee, and cigarettes. Not "no worse." It is better, and that is fact. There have been studies that show that it doesn't even kill brain cells. Now, the alternate shit that people are smoking that IS legal, that spice shit, DOES kill brain cells as well as your whole body. I'm so glad I'm smoking weed and not that shit anymore. I like to believe that the reason people smoke spice is because of drug tests and the fact that it's a "legal high." It's also a road to death that I avoided.

America needs to save its youth from a generation of future crackheads, because that's what that shit is like. Legalize weed and I'm sure people will stop that shit. It has caused so many deaths.

[Cinderella Stan]

I know a lot of people who never smoked weed, but support legalization. I know some really good people who smoke weed regularly, in fact that's probably the only illegal thing they've ever done, should they go to jail if they get caught like bigray stated? Even if weed is bad for health, anyone can buy it anyway if he decides to, so why should it stay illegal? Plus what Fleka said:

[...] Weed is no worse than alcohol. Or coffee. Or cigarettes. People that overuse it have problems. Just like alcoholics, smokers or junk food junkies. No point in weed being illegal.

[Hadez]

totally off lol

What makes you think that no one can abuse weed while its illegal? Weed is easier to get than cigarettes and alcohol for teens.

I can abuse fast food, should that be illegal? I can abuse a fucking fork and jab you in the eye, should that be illegal? I can abuse medicine on the shelf, should that be illegal as well?

When you say mind altering do you think someone who smokes a joint thinks they can fly? the only thing i wanna do is chill out, play video games, listen to music or eat.

It should be someone's choice if they want to smoke or not and its already legal in some cities, so why a not make it legal world wide, lots of positives can come out of this.

Imagine you have a kid and he's totally a good boy, studies and stays away from trouble than he gets caught for smoking a joint and because of his laws in his city he automatically get 6 months in jail, now he's exposed to criminals and the jail did more harm than good.

honestly for anyone who doesn't support the legalization of pot than you're truly a fucken retard.

no, fast food should not be illegal just because you can abuse it. That's a dumb argument. You're just twisting what I said. I can do the same about one of your other arguments. People should be allowed to choose if they want to smoke it. Should people be allowed to choose to kill people? Not even a valid argument.

yes mind altering. No I don't think it affects people like stronger drugs. But I've seen people time and time again become lazier, distance themselves from others to hang out with their pothead clique. I don't want that kind of laziness in the work place.

my kid would get in trouble anyway because he's under age to smoke it. Plus gets tried as a child, not an adult.

I stand corrected about non smokers wanting it legalized. But I think my point still stands that non smokers aren't pushing for it (generalizing of course). There are more non gays pushing for gay marriage than non smokers pushing for weed, I believe. By pushing i mean on the same level as the smokers.

and yes it is easy to get. But I fail to see how that means it should be legal.

I'm not against changing my stance on this after i see the long term affects of the states that have legalized it. And i don't get why this is even in question. It's getting legalized on a national level in a matter of time eventually. Legalizing it in some states it's merely a stepping stone.

[Kill You]

More people in America support weed over gay marriage. At least, I think...may just be pulling that out of my ass, no homo.

Get it get it?!?!

[Hadez]

it's an excellent argument and you're the one who brought up "abusing" not me, i just gave you excellent examples and i wasn't twisting anything, its very simple you can abuse anything, should we ban the world?

it's not an excellent argument. i know i brought up the abusing argument. but comparing weed to fast food is ridiculous. if you "OD" on fast food you die 20-30 years earlier. you hurt only yourself (maybe close friends and family on an emotional level) and you have to continually eat nothing but bad food to get such a negative result. someone OD's on weed one time and they can put other people at risk during certain activities (i.e. driving). yes they can place laws similar to drunk driving, but those laws don't stop drunk drivers so they won't stop high drivers. i don't have that much faith in people to use it safely. honestly, i don't like the use of alcohol either. if i had my way that'd be illegal too because i agree that it's worse than weed.

Yes, of course you can choose to kill people, just know you'll end up dead or in jail.

ok, you can choose to smoke weed now, just know you'll end up dead or in jail.

its not a "think" thing. its a fact that it doesn't affect you like illegal or legal drugs. dude these people will be lazy even if they didn't smoke pot, that's just a poor excuse.

it is a "think" thing. this says it makes you dumber, among other things

Pots illegal, there's no age limit lol and he'll be exposed with criminals.

weed is legal in a select few states in the U.S. and has an age limit. either 18 or 21. pretty sure it's 21 though. depending on the "kid's" age, he won't be tried as an adult. i think of kid as not even 16 yet. i may have misunderstood what you meant by kid.

the point is weed is easy to get whether its legal or illegal.

yes but you had said it like that was another reason to legalize it. and, in my opinion, that's no reason to legalize anything.

we're going in circles, i think. at this point it's pretty much agree to disagree haha.

[Eedee]

I don't smoke it, but legalize it. I've read all about what Carl Sagan thought about it.

[AbramIsaac]

Hadez, the question is whether or not the prohibition of marijuana is more harmful than the use of it. The answer to that question has been answered many times, even by the US government (see the Schafer commission report, and DEA judge Francis Young's commentary on rescheduling marijuana), and the answer to that question is yes. Use by minors in Medical Marijuana states saw use drop, and in places like Amsterdam the percentage of use is lower than that of ours here in the Drug Warrior capital, the United States.

Regardless of whether or not each individual thinks that marijuana use is acceptable, the point is that prohibition is the more harmful policy over legalization.

[CrashBand]

It's pointless and stupid comparing it to other things. Abram and SliK have already stated and answered the obvious question. The benefits of legalising outweigh the negatives.

You have to take each thing individually, such as fast-food or alcohol or cigarettes, and do the same thing. What would be worse/more harmful for society? Prohibition or not? Other factors come into play, especially with alcohol, such as feasibility and acceptability.

[Kill You]

Abram always disappears for a week, just to come back to kill shit for a day.