"Old Em" vs "New Em" (My Theory)

[zCold]

^^ Agreed.. Ray said it best.

Shit Shat

[yoda you can call me]

I hate this uselss old em vs new em thread... So fuckin dated

yep, em called them people out, the ones stuck in a timewarp. let go or move onto someone else, it's that simple

[Hadez]

I don't get how people can say he's just as good as he was. Some of my biggest pet peeves with "new Em" are that his punchlines are corny the majority of the time and he also repeats a few of them. He has used the "circle with a line through it" thing at least twice, for example. Also the messed up my RV joke he's done twice. Granted, one time was on an unreleased track. But that just means he was so determined to use that (in my opinion) terrible joke.

For "Rap God" he's fixed his punches, kind of. Quite a few are still corny (laptop in my back pocket comes to mind, but the flow was sweet so I can give him a pass on that). However, now they're short a sweet. He has this thing, for some reason, to over explain his own punches. "Welcome To Hell" is probably the best song on Hell: The Sequel (that's not saying much, the album wasn't terrible but wasn't great either) and yet it's plagued by this ridiculously over explained Die Hard joke that didn't need to be explained.

The problem he has now is that he only sometimes shines. Back in the day you could only really say you disliked a handful of songs... maybe two each album that you just never really liked listening to. For me personally, there's only a couple that I actually enjoy on Recovery.

[Corpse_Welder]

The gun incident happened before TES

Okay I was a little drunk when I typed that last night, but yes the gun incident happened before TES, thus the numerous references to it in the album. What I meant was TES was not going to be nearly as controversial UNTIL the gun incident happened. Then Em's face gets in the news again and white parents all over america think he's dangerous again, thus giving us songs such as White America. This seems more like Em capitalized on it for TES instead of creating something shocking like MMLP. Then of course the only person upset by encore was michael jackson

[EminemInsider]

No. Eminem is not as good as he used to be, period.

He has a lot of bad habits now. He splits rhymes between lines regularly. He no longer vocally acts out his lyrics, but rather focuses on landing each syllable in a given place, regardless of whether or not he has to place the emphasis on the wrong syllable of a word in order to do it. He tries to make his tracks sound like modern mainstream rap, which is an annoying sound. Plus the corny punchlines, of course.

The Beatles' "cohesiveness" arguments pertain to their whole being greater than the sum of their parts. They were a band. Eminem's an individual rapper who isn't the same guy he used to be, musically-speaking.

Eminem in 1994-2002 could have done what Eminem is doing today, but he didn't want to. Eminem today can not do what Eminem 1994-2002 did. He could come close if he trusted himself again, based on Deja Vu/the post-Relapse songs prior to Drop the World...but the link between prime-Eminem and Eminem today was broken by pills.

[Kill You]

^ Not very "Insider" are you? You haven't even heard his new album yet. Stop being a cunt for once and at least wait for the music.

[ladelsofgravy]

but the link between prime-Eminem and Eminem today was broken by pills.

perhaps he fried something in his brain.

[McFreshFish]

No. Eminem is not as good as he used to be, period.

He has a lot of bad habits now. He splits rhymes between lines regularly. He no longer vocally acts out his lyrics, but rather focuses on landing each syllable in a given place, regardless of whether or not he has to place the emphasis on the wrong syllable of a word in order to do it. He tries to make his tracks sound like modern mainstream rap, which is an annoying sound. Plus the corny punchlines, of course.

This. New Em is still great, but his flow just changed so much. I feel like nowadays he focuses more on his lyrics, and less on the rhythm. And the screaming he does on so many tracks since Recovery, is kinda annoying. The Chonkyfire Freestyle showed me that he can still flow like he used to do, on tracks like: "Drug Ballad", "Renegade", "Lose Yourself", etc., but I just feel like most of his new stuff always seems to follow the same rythm-scheme, instead of the individual beats.