MMLP2 >> Recovery, Relapse, Encore (and it ain't close)

[4Corners]

The fact you believe that is.....tragic

[EminemBase]

^ The fact that you don't is, predictable. And, not tragic, not even noteworthy.

[4Corners]

You guys talk about Relapse like it's some classic shit, it's a solid pretty good album, with some good cuts. But.....it was panned for a reason, and though it shouldn't have been panned, there's a reason this last album has gotten way better reviews than his last three.

[metsfan1121]

I've yet to know or talk to an Eminem fan who truly understands his shit and has listened from day one who thinks Recovery is better than Relapse.)

Hi, my name is Steven

[EminemBase]

You guys talk about Relapse like it's some classic shit, it's a solid pretty good album, with some good cuts. But.....it was panned for a reason, and though it shouldn't have been panned, there's a reason this last album has gotten way better reviews than his last three.

A lot of Kubrick's movies were initially panned and later praised when understood properly; this is what will happen (and is already happening) with Relapse.

Every critic named "Beautiful" as the highlight lmao... the worst fucking song on the album, due to being so out of place musically. They don't care about cohesive sound, with Eminem, they just wanted to know his life updates. They're tuning in for gossip not listening to a great writer.

He tried to step away from that with Relapse, and said that at the time.

A few critics got it. It's an acquired taste and it's not something for the masses or that would ever be initially praised... The Office got panned initially too. Things which are dense and quite odd in presentation often get initially misunderstood.

And who cares anyway? Think with your own mind.

[4Corners]

I do think with my own mind......by the middle of the album hearing Em rap in that voice is just......yeah

Lol at comparing Relapse to classic Kubrick films. Beautiful is one of the only tracks on the album that means.....well......anything

[EminemBase]

I do think with my own mind......by the middle of the album hearing Em rap in that voice is just......yeah

Lol at comparing Relapse to classic Kubrick films. Beautiful is one of the only tracks on the album that means.....well......anything

No it's not.

Why does 'mean' something have to be a realistic introspective track?...

That is not the definition of meaning. Something doesn't have to have a positive emotional connect or realistic life tribulation to mean something.

"My Mom" means something. It's actually a satirical look at a drug addict, he's taken a life situation and made art out of it, made a hilarious, colorful story out of it...

"Same Song and Dance" is a superbly written storytelling track; again, just because the story is violent or not about some life tribulation... how is it meaningless?

There's a huge density of wit and Em capturing the sadistic humour/pleasure in psychopathy, so much brilliance in the writing - and so much more you can get from it and from art in general, and his writing in general other than 'I went through that too. I relate. Genius'.

But since you want that, "Deja Vu" absolutely fucking slaughters "Beautiful" in that context, and musically (and lyrically) fits the album perfectly. Em remains in the rap style and keeps his tongue-in-cheek yet it's descriptive, honest and funny. Much more effective than "beautiful", "Beautiful" makes absolutely zero sense on the album, it's a total break of character... only to then go right back in to character the very next track. Worst song on there.

[4Corners]

One of the only

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Deja Vu being the other one. You guys look further into the songs than Eminem himself does, haha

[momentsgolden]

We all agree Crack a Bottle and Bagpies from Baghdad are shit. So, we will skip those.

My mom. Embase argument is that he is making the same joke so many times that it gets some sort of visceral power? I disagree. I had heard enough about his mom i ddnt wanna hear a single more verse. (Headlights is a different story)

and no, i like ANY sort of content. Same song and Dance is a GOAT Eminem song especially with the Tonya skit before it. Insane was hella hilarious to me (it does lack replay value though) and as you said Hello mixes in his life story with his fictional characters beautifully. My Darling does the same thing in a better way and i love it.

Beautiful and Deja Vu, i am indifferent, those songs just sound boring to me. One is technically great, the other is musically out of place but they are all... Meh

And them 3 am, Stay Wide Awake, Medicine Ball, Must Be the Ganja, Most of refill its just words upon words upon words. There are some nice lines there. Some interesting narratives but at the end of the day its just one big ball of demented thoughts. It runs it into the ground. Becomes boring. Quickly.

So, no, its not that relapse lacks content. Its just that, as you would find a constant diary update a drag, i find the constant "themes" on Relapse boring and repetitive.

I don't mind that if its giving me a song like Same Song and Dance. But the rest? Ehh....

[Snakebeast]

[momentsgolden]

We all agree Crack a Bottle and Bagpies from Baghdad are shit. So, we will skip those.

My mom. Embase argument is that he is making the same joke so many times that it gets some sort of visceral power? I disagree. I had heard enough about his mom i ddnt wanna hear a single more verse. (Headlights is a different story)

and no, i like ANY sort of content. Same song and Dance is a GOAT Eminem song especially with the Tonya skit before it. Insane was hella hilarious to me (it does lack replay value though) and as you said Hello mixes in his life story with his fictional characters beautifully. My Darling does the same thing in a better way and i love it.

Beautiful and Deja Vu, i am indifferent, those songs just sound boring to me. One is technically great, the other is musically out of place but they are all... Meh

And them 3 am, Stay Wide Awake, Medicine Ball, Must Be the Ganja, Most of refill its just words upon words upon words. There are some nice lines there. Some interesting narratives but at the end of the day its just one big ball of demented thoughts. It runs it into the ground. Becomes boring. Quickly.

So, no, its not that relapse lacks content. Its just that, as you would find a constant diary update a drag, i find the constant "themes" on Relapse boring and repetitive.

I don't mind that if its giving me a song like Same Song and Dance. But the rest? Ehh....

Edit- to Beautiful's defense, it is the song he wrote in Rehab that gives him power to recover. Song is special through its creation. Almost like Compton on Gkmc. Its different, but fits because on an album that deals with Relapsing and overdosing you are hearing the real thoughts of an addict. That is very powerful to me.

[momentsgolden]

We all agree Crack a Bottle and Bagpies from Baghdad are shit. So, we will skip those.

My mom. Embase argument is that he is making the same joke so many times that it gets some sort of visceral power? I disagree. I had heard enough about his mom i ddnt wanna hear a single more verse. (Headlights is a different story)

and no, i like ANY sort of content. Same song and Dance is a GOAT Eminem song especially with the Tonya skit before it. Insane was hella hilarious to me (it does lack replay value though) and as you said Hello mixes in his life story with his fictional characters beautifully. My Darling does the same thing in a better way and i love it.

Beautiful and Deja Vu, i am indifferent, those songs just sound boring to me. One is technically great, the other is musically out of place but they are all... Meh

And them 3 am, Stay Wide Awake, Medicine Ball, Must Be the Ganja, Most of refill its just words upon words upon words. There are some nice lines there. Some interesting narratives but at the end of the day its just one big ball of demented thoughts. It runs it into the ground. Becomes boring. Quickly.

So, no, its not that relapse lacks content. Its just that, as you would find a constant diary update a drag, i find the constant "themes" on Relapse boring and repetitive.

I don't mind that if its giving me a song like Same Song and Dance. But the rest? Ehh....

Edit- to Beautiful's defense, it is the song he wrote in Rehab that gives him power to recover. Song is special through its creation. Almost like Compton on Gkmc. Its different, but fits because on an album that deals with Relapsing and overdosing you are hearing the real thoughts of an addict. That is very powerful to me.

[EminemBase]

^ Bagpipes is one of the best tracks yo.

Agreed about Crack a Bottle though.

As for the themes being repetitive... well, the themes are all similar throughout in the same kinds of style... that's what makes an album feel cohesive though.

Look at SSLP, MMLP, TES...

SSLP has similar themes in the same way throughout, same as MMLP, same as TES... that's how you create a classic, by keeping a consistent character. Which is why "Beautiful" is so bizarre, not for its themes, for its totally out of place delivery and style. "Deja Vu" is still in-character.

Also, I think you can get different things from different styles... he continuously raps about murder and demented things on Relapse, but it becomes about how he's saying it, I don't find it boring due to how experimentally and differently he continues to push the bar, how he writes so oddly and fresh, it sounds like nothing else he's done and... first and foremost, I'm a fan of words and lyrics, it can't be about 'nothing', but the themes totally fit his style of writing too.

So, I mean that's whatever. If you find it boring you find it boring. To me it's not due to how many endlessly creative ways he finds of re-imagining the ideas and scenes, it becomes about how descriptive can he be, how can he surprise you in the next line etc.

[Eedee]

MMLP2 is a great album.

So is Recovery.

So is Relapse.

Encore is simply an album. No more, no less.

[EminemBase]

This is second best album ever next to the first one. It goes like this and anyone who disagrees is wrong:

MMLP>MMLP2>TES>SSLP>INFINITE>RELAPSE>Recovery>Encore

My personal fav though that's not fact like the other one just my opinion:

MMLP>MMLP2>TES>Recovery=Relapse>Encore>SSLP>Infinite

I know that SSLP is a better album that Relapse, Recovery, infinite, and Encore but I enjoy more songs on the others.

Lmao @ MMLP2 being better than TES.