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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Snakebeast » Nov 12th, '13, 06:50

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Because it fucking sucks.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Shady50 » Nov 12th, '13, 06:54

Even though it's not really considered a solo album, some of his stuff on The Re-Up is overlooked too. There's some really dope shit on there.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Snakebeast » Nov 12th, '13, 06:55

Shady50 wrote:Even though it's not really considered a solo album, some of his stuff on The Re-Up is overlooked too. There's some really dope shit on there.

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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Shady50 » Nov 12th, '13, 06:56

Snake897 wrote:
Shady50 wrote:Even though it's not really considered a solo album, some of his stuff on The Re-Up is overlooked too. There's some really dope shit on there.

No Apologies>>>>>>

IMO one of his greatest songs ever. Even though it was written for TES around 2001ish.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby mdemaz » Nov 12th, '13, 06:57

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Shady50 wrote:Even though it's not really considered a solo album, some of his stuff on The Re-Up is overlooked too. There's some really dope shit on there.

No Apologies>>>>>>

Oh my god, The Re-Up is fucking awesome.

Even though you can tell that shit is falling apart.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby jinofthewind » Nov 12th, '13, 06:59

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jinofthewind wrote:7/16 Encore tracks were amazing

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What?

Name them, and I will tell you why you are wrong.

1. Never Enough - Honestly I can't really write out why I like this track sorry nothing of substance for an arguement so I guess this is just a personal track for why I like it.
2. Yellow Brick Road - Amazing story telling, Em talks about his past and some good word play is involved
3. Like Toy Soldiers - Amazing song. Lands in my top 10 of all time. Some of Em's best story telling skills. He doesn't have super amazing word play but the song doesn't require it. Hook also isn't bad. Production is really good.
4. Mosh - Political rap, decent wordplay not the best but the song is really good none the less, pretty good and dark production
5. Spend Some Time - As you said Em's verse was amazing, the other verse were meh they didn't really take the track down or up but the song settles out as probably my least favorite on this list because of that, but I consider Em's delivery and over all skills on this really good
6. Mockingbird - Super personal rap from Em, this is one of two of the most emotional responses I've ever had from Em. Wordplay? No not really. But it like "Like Toy Soldiers" never needed it. It has a big impact and I feel Em did a great job on this track possibly top three on this album.
7. Encore - GREAT FINALE! Good production, good lyrics, good features and finishes the album off on a high note. The most cohesive song with features on this album. Good track really like this one.

That's my 7
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Snakebeast » Nov 12th, '13, 07:09

jinofthewind wrote:1. Never Enough - Honestly I can't really write out why I like this track sorry nothing of substance for an arguement so I guess this is just a personal track for why I like it.

Fair enough. I like the track too, tbh. It's not good, but it is what it is.

2. Yellow Brick Road - Amazing story telling, Em talks about his past and some good word play is involved
3. Like Toy Soldiers - Amazing song. Lands in my top 10 of all time. Some of Em's best story telling skills. He doesn't have super amazing word play but the song doesn't require it. Hook also isn't bad. Production is really good.

Yellow Brick Road has fantastic storytelling.

Like Toy Soldiers is great, but it's not even close to top 10. How is it some of his best story telling songs? Production is a fucking drum beat. Fits, but it's not anything mindblowing.

4. Mosh - Political rap, decent wordplay not the best but the song is really good none the less, pretty good and dark production

Wordplay? What the fuck do you mean wordplay? Some good production, but it's very clear that Eminem is out of his depth. He doesn't know SHIT about politics, and he just looks like an idiot. He slurs half his lines and doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Is it a pump up song? Is it protest against Bush? What the fuck is this shit.
5. Spend Some Time - As you said Em's verse was amazing, the other verse were meh they didn't really take the track down or up but the song settles out as probably my least favorite on this list because of that, but I consider Em's delivery and over all skills on this really good

Love the verse. The rest of the song is pure SHIT. What the fuck was 50 doing? Even worse was Stat Quo. And the hook didn't help either.
6. Mockingbird - Super personal rap from Em, this is one of two of the most emotional responses I've ever had from Em. Wordplay? No not really. But it like "Like Toy Soldiers" never needed it. It has a big impact and I feel Em did a great job on this track possibly top three on this album.

Stop saying wordplay. Do you even know what it means? Also emotion =/= good song. You're Never Over was corny as fuck. What impact? It's Em slurring words and crooning over simplistic production. It's shit.
7. Encore - GREAT FINALE! Good production, good lyrics, good features and finishes the album off on a high note. The most cohesive song with features on this album. Good track really like this one.

Great? GREAT?
So this is your definition of "good lyrics":

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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby jinofthewind » Nov 12th, '13, 07:20

Snake897 wrote:Also emotion =/= good song. You're Never Over was corny as fuck. What impact

You're Never Over is about as emotional as a burnt piece of toast. I can't take that song seriously ever. I mean it may be personal to him but I mean emotional to the listener.

Btw I do know what wordplay means
Sorry for tossing it around this is me typing half asleep
The whole album I like and always have much more than Relapse and Recovery and it's hard to describe why I like the certain songs I guess I'm scrambling to explain it out in actual words because it's really difficult. But basically the lyrical skill and lyrics are separate to me. Because the skill and rhyming techniques and everything in general can be not super impressive but the over all image and story in the end can make up for it, some songs don't need to be super advance and clever to be good imo

Also that first section of lyrics is unfair to quote because it's the introduction to the song I don't even qualify it as part of the verse

The second part is one of the meh parts in Encore not super bad though
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Snakebeast » Nov 12th, '13, 07:31

jinofthewind wrote:
Snake897 wrote:Also emotion =/= good song. You're Never Over was corny as fuck. What impact

You're Never Over is about as emotional as a burnt piece of toast. I can't take that song seriously ever. I mean it may be personal to him but I mean emotional to the listener.

Btw I do know what wordplay means
Sorry for tossing it around this is me typing half asleep
The whole album I like and always have much more than Relapse and Recovery and it's hard to describe why I like the certain songs I guess I'm scrambling to explain it out in actual words because it's really difficult. But basically the lyrical skill and lyrics are separate to me. Because the skill and rhyming techniques and everything in general can be not super impressive but the over all image and story in the end can make up for it, some songs don't need to be super advance and clever to be good imo

Also that first section of lyrics is unfair to quote because it's the introduction to the song I don't even qualify it as part of the verse

The second part is one of the meh parts in Encore not super bad though

I never said Encore (the song) was "super bad". It's the fact that you called it AMAZING. It's a fucking club track. None of what Em said was good. At ALL.

None of the tracks you mentioned had ANYTHING CLOSE to the storytelling ability Em showed on GTC and Same Song and Dance.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby jinofthewind » Nov 12th, '13, 07:46

Snake897 wrote:
jinofthewind wrote:
Snake897 wrote:Also emotion =/= good song. You're Never Over was corny as fuck. What impact

You're Never Over is about as emotional as a burnt piece of toast. I can't take that song seriously ever. I mean it may be personal to him but I mean emotional to the listener.

Btw I do know what wordplay means
Sorry for tossing it around this is me typing half asleep
The whole album I like and always have much more than Relapse and Recovery and it's hard to describe why I like the certain songs I guess I'm scrambling to explain it out in actual words because it's really difficult. But basically the lyrical skill and lyrics are separate to me. Because the skill and rhyming techniques and everything in general can be not super impressive but the over all image and story in the end can make up for it, some songs don't need to be super advance and clever to be good imo

Also that first section of lyrics is unfair to quote because it's the introduction to the song I don't even qualify it as part of the verse

The second part is one of the meh parts in Encore not super bad though

I never said Encore (the song) was "super bad". It's the fact that you called it AMAZING. It's a fucking club track. None of what Em said was good. At ALL.

None of the tracks you mentioned had ANYTHING CLOSE to the storytelling ability Em showed on GTC and Same Song and Dance.

Disagree

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Whom if it wasn't for rap to bridge the gap, maybe raised to be racist
Who may have never got to see our faces
Grace the cover of Rolling Stone pages, broke down barriers
Of language and races, just call on the caped crusaders

I think those are great lyrics

As far as story telling, I also don't agree. I personally can't listen to Same Song and Dance anymore and I have no idea why (I listened to this song a fair amount when Relapse was first released), it's okay story telling I guess but I first of all don't think it's as good as YBR or LTS, this isn't a very arguable thing this is a mostly personal point.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Shpongle » Nov 12th, '13, 11:46

Even though Encore is the weakest, i don't consider it underrated, so my vote will go for "Relapse" lyrically that album is a beast! People just bitch over the accent.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby EndoveProduct » Nov 12th, '13, 13:39

Snake897 wrote:
jinofthewind wrote:
Snake897 wrote:Also emotion =/= good song. You're Never Over was corny as fuck. What impact


I never said Encore (the song) was "super bad". It's the fact that you called it AMAZING. It's a fucking club track. None of what Em said was good. At ALL.

None of the tracks you mentioned had ANYTHING CLOSE to the storytelling ability Em showed on GTC and Same Song and Dance.

Disagree

Cause we done swam with the sharks, wrestled with alligators
Spoke to a generation of angry teenagers
Whom if it wasn't for rap to bridge the gap, maybe raised to be racist
Who may have never got to see our faces
Grace the cover of Rolling Stone pages, broke down barriers
Of language and races, just call on the caped crusaders

I think those are great lyrics

As far as story telling, I also don't agree. I personally can't listen to Same Song and Dance anymore and I have no idea why (I listened to this song a fair amount when Relapse was first released), it's okay story telling I guess but I first of all don't think it's as good as YBR or LTS, this isn't a very arguable thing this is a mostly personal point.

Dude, as a WHOLE. As an entire ALBUM. As something that is played over and over again. As something to show off lyrical talent. Encore is NOT up to par with any of it. It's not enjoyable from start to finish (like relapse, mmlp2 or even recovery). It's not lyrical, it's lazy if anything. And it's NOT a good album. Plain and simple

Why are you trying to defend garbage? If a painter paints a pile of shit on a painting, you'd be the ONLY one trying to defend it and calling it art, and not to mention, you're defending the album quite poorly "don't know why I like the songs, I just do" "those lyrics are just a bad example"

If encore, despite a few songs, really was amazing. Someone would of agreed with you by now. But even Em himself knows it's weak compared to his older shit AND his newer shit
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby EndoveProduct » Nov 12th, '13, 13:39

Snake897 wrote:
jinofthewind wrote:
Snake897 wrote:Also emotion =/= good song. You're Never Over was corny as fuck. What impact


I never said Encore (the song) was "super bad". It's the fact that you called it AMAZING. It's a fucking club track. None of what Em said was good. At ALL.

None of the tracks you mentioned had ANYTHING CLOSE to the storytelling ability Em showed on GTC and Same Song and Dance.

Disagree

Cause we done swam with the sharks, wrestled with alligators
Spoke to a generation of angry teenagers
Whom if it wasn't for rap to bridge the gap, maybe raised to be racist
Who may have never got to see our faces
Grace the cover of Rolling Stone pages, broke down barriers
Of language and races, just call on the caped crusaders

I think those are great lyrics

As far as story telling, I also don't agree. I personally can't listen to Same Song and Dance anymore and I have no idea why (I listened to this song a fair amount when Relapse was first released), it's okay story telling I guess but I first of all don't think it's as good as YBR or LTS, this isn't a very arguable thing this is a mostly personal point.

Dude, as a WHOLE. As an entire ALBUM. As something that is played over and over again. As something to show off lyrical talent. Encore is NOT up to par with any of it. It's not enjoyable from start to finish (like relapse, mmlp2 or even recovery). It's not lyrical, it's lazy if anything. And it's NOT a good album. Plain and simple

Why are you trying to defend garbage? If a painter paints a pile of shit on a painting, you'd be the ONLY one trying to defend it and calling it art, and not to mention, you're defending the album quite poorly "don't know why I like the songs, I just do" "those lyrics are just a bad example"

If encore, despite a few songs, really was amazing. Someone would of agreed with you by now. But even Em himself knows it's weak compared to his older shit AND his newer shit
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Cinderella Stan » Nov 12th, '13, 14:01

Encore is maybe his worst album, but it's underrated. It's not that bad at all.
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Re: Most underrated Eminem album?

Postby Snakebeast » Nov 12th, '13, 16:30

jinofthewind wrote:
Snake897 wrote:
jinofthewind wrote:You're Never Over is about as emotional as a burnt piece of toast. I can't take that song seriously ever. I mean it may be personal to him but I mean emotional to the listener.

Btw I do know what wordplay means
Sorry for tossing it around this is me typing half asleep
The whole album I like and always have much more than Relapse and Recovery and it's hard to describe why I like the certain songs I guess I'm scrambling to explain it out in actual words because it's really difficult. But basically the lyrical skill and lyrics are separate to me. Because the skill and rhyming techniques and everything in general can be not super impressive but the over all image and story in the end can make up for it, some songs don't need to be super advance and clever to be good imo

Also that first section of lyrics is unfair to quote because it's the introduction to the song I don't even qualify it as part of the verse

The second part is one of the meh parts in Encore not super bad though

I never said Encore (the song) was "super bad". It's the fact that you called it AMAZING. It's a fucking club track. None of what Em said was good. At ALL.

None of the tracks you mentioned had ANYTHING CLOSE to the storytelling ability Em showed on GTC and Same Song and Dance.

Disagree

Cause we done swam with the sharks, wrestled with alligators
Spoke to a generation of angry teenagers
Whom if it wasn't for rap to bridge the gap, maybe raised to be racist
Who may have never got to see our faces
Grace the cover of Rolling Stone pages, broke down barriers
Of language and races, just call on the caped crusaders

I think those are great lyrics

As far as story telling, I also don't agree. I personally can't listen to Same Song and Dance anymore and I have no idea why (I listened to this song a fair amount when Relapse was first released), it's okay story telling I guess but I first of all don't think it's as good as YBR or LTS, this isn't a very arguable thing this is a mostly personal point.

Those are okay lyrics. Nothing interesting at all. It's just Em saying that he's awesome and mentioning how he "broke down barriers" for the fifty billionth time.

Okay storytelling? Fuck it. You are biased as shit.
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