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Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Hopsinshadie » Nov 25th, '13, 08:36

I realized something. People always put Em's first 3 cd's on a pedestal and maybe rightfully so. But it seems like fans are rating every cd better and better since Encore.

Encore (though I like it) is considered Eminem's worst album.

Relapse was a big comeback for Eminem, according to many fans, ad most said it's better than Encore.

Recovery exploded in sales with Not Afraid and especially LTWYL, Em became more relevant. but more importantly it was received much better by most people. Although some true fans put Relapse over Recovery, the majority of people look at Recovery as a better overall album.

And MMLP2 is getting excellent reception. Almost Everybody says it's better than Recovery.

So imagine how good the next album will be.
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Iris2 » Nov 25th, '13, 10:59

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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Eedee » Nov 25th, '13, 11:03

Change your sig/avatar to Walt Jr.... please.
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Hansen » Nov 25th, '13, 11:31

Eedee wrote:Change your sig/avatar to Walt Jr.... please.

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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby skc_ » Nov 25th, '13, 13:07

no, because obv relapse >> recovery
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Kill You » Nov 25th, '13, 13:47

It can be argued, yeah. Whether or not Relapse is better than Recovery is up to the listener, I personally believe that it is because it flows better as an album. Recovery was to get the limelight back. But MMLP2 is better than both of them.

Then Hell: The Sequel, which got good reviews, I think is when things changed. He realized he enjoyed making the BME songs so that's the lyrical direction he took for this album.

Now I don't know where he's going to go. I think he has one or two more albums in him then he'll retire for solo albums. But I do know, and hope, that he starts to produce even more and maybe his next and last album will be mainly Em produced. I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of Em production on MMLP2, he pretty much produced half the album, so maybe we'll get that perfect Eminem album pretty soon. MMLP2 was close, but it's not quite there. I don't think he's quitting until he makes an album that is universally acclaimed. MMLP2 is almost that but there are still a few doubters and haters. He will try even harder to shut them up next time. He shut up most of them already.
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Amadeo » Nov 25th, '13, 13:47

I think he's had the same level of songwriting ability and skill on all three post-comeback three albums.

He's just been slowly ironing out creases in his music as he goes along. Got rid of the accent, but this problem was replaced with awful punchlines...so he toned these down too. But he never realizes these things suck as he's making the album...he needs fans on the internet to point it out. Which makes you think he doesn't really know what he's doing anymore.

He's just become better at pretending he knows what he's doing.
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Kill You » Nov 25th, '13, 13:52

Amadeo wrote:I think he's had the same level of songwriting ability and skill on all three post-comeback three albums.

He's just been slowly ironing out creases in his music as he goes along. Got rid of the accent, but this problem was replaced with awful punchlines...so he toned these down too. But he never realizes these things suck as he's making the album...he needs fans on the internet to point it out. Which makes you think he doesn't really know what he's doing anymore.

He's just become better at pretending he knows what he's doing.


I know you're gonna reply back with some stupid "Stan" insult saying I'm just a huge Stan, but Jesus, do you EVER have a positive post or are all of your posts this pessimistic, cynical, and most of all boring? You sound like an old man in all of your posts dude. I think it's time for someone to listen to another artist.

I'm not saying don't criticize the man because not everything he makes is great, but holy shit, that is ALL YOU DO I wonder if you even like Eminem anymore. Do you have a single positive thing to say?

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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby EminemInsider » Nov 26th, '13, 12:10

Kill You wrote:
Amadeo wrote:I think he's had the same level of songwriting ability and skill on all three post-comeback three albums.

He's just been slowly ironing out creases in his music as he goes along. Got rid of the accent, but this problem was replaced with awful punchlines...so he toned these down too. But he never realizes these things suck as he's making the album...he needs fans on the internet to point it out. Which makes you think he doesn't really know what he's doing anymore.

He's just become better at pretending he knows what he's doing.


I know you're gonna reply back with some stupid "Stan" insult saying I'm just a huge Stan, but Jesus, do you EVER have a positive post or are all of your posts this pessimistic, cynical, and most of all boring? You sound like an old man in all of your posts dude. I think it's time for someone to listen to another artist.

I'm not saying don't criticize the man because not everything he makes is great, but holy shit, that is ALL YOU DO I wonder if you even like Eminem anymore. Do you have a single positive thing to say?

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He has positive posts all the time.

Get this - Amadeo praises Eminem songs that he thinks are good, and criticizes ones he doesn't think are well done. That's awfully similar to what I do, too.

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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Jimmy Conway » Nov 26th, '13, 15:40

He hasn't been consistent in over ten years.

So, no, I don't expect a 45 year old rapper making his 9th album to be any better than this one.

His next one will probably be his last one.

It will probably have a few good songs. Everyone runs out of gas at some point.

Em has lasted a lot longer than most.

He's made thousands of good songs. His catalog of quality songs are bigger than most.

It happens to all artists, sooner or later

And with every verse he makes, he gets a little closer to later

It's been a good run.
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Kill You » Nov 26th, '13, 18:51

EminemInsider wrote:
Kill You wrote:
Amadeo wrote:I think he's had the same level of songwriting ability and skill on all three post-comeback three albums.

He's just been slowly ironing out creases in his music as he goes along. Got rid of the accent, but this problem was replaced with awful punchlines...so he toned these down too. But he never realizes these things suck as he's making the album...he needs fans on the internet to point it out. Which makes you think he doesn't really know what he's doing anymore.

He's just become better at pretending he knows what he's doing.


I know you're gonna reply back with some stupid "Stan" insult saying I'm just a huge Stan, but Jesus, do you EVER have a positive post or are all of your posts this pessimistic, cynical, and most of all boring? You sound like an old man in all of your posts dude. I think it's time for someone to listen to another artist.

I'm not saying don't criticize the man because not everything he makes is great, but holy shit, that is ALL YOU DO I wonder if you even like Eminem anymore. Do you have a single positive thing to say?

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He has positive posts all the time.

Get this - Amadeo praises Eminem songs that he thinks are good, and criticizes ones he doesn't think are well done. That's awfully similar to what I do, too.

Imagine that.


In your shitty opinions. Way to answer for him homo. You two are just angry Stans that are mad that he's not making music like you want him to. No matter how good the music is.
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby yoda you can call me » Nov 26th, '13, 20:15

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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby Amadeo » Nov 27th, '13, 03:47

Kill You wrote:In your shitty opinions. Way to answer for him homo. You two are just angry Stans that are mad that he's not making music like you want him to. No matter how good the music is.

We're angry? Hilarious.

You're seething with rage in almost all of your posts.

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Okay moron, whatever the fuck you say. People knew Eminem long before Rihanna you fucking waste of breath. I don't even know why I'm taking the time to even type a response to you. Anything that is "anti-Kill You" is alright with you, no matter how wrong they are. You are pathetic. Go kill yourself now before you do it in the future you sad fuck.

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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby unmissingpiece » Nov 27th, '13, 04:10

bigray wrote:
Amadeo wrote:I think he's had the same level of songwriting ability and skill on all three post-comeback three albums.

He's just been slowly ironing out creases in his music as he goes along. Got rid of the accent, but this problem was replaced with awful punchlines...so he toned these down too. But he never realizes these things suck as he's making the album...he needs fans on the internet to point it out. Which makes you think he doesn't really know what he's doing anymore.

He's just become better at pretending he knows what he's doing.


I agree with a lot of this.

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Relapse and MMLP2 were great albums, though.
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Re: Can you argue that since Encore, Eminem keeps improving?

Postby shadyblogger » Nov 27th, '13, 04:24

I honestly am in the very few minority cuz I think that Encore was just a bit better than Relapse and I thought Relapse was a lot better than Recovery but MMLP 2 beats the 3 albums I just mentioned by a long shot. Of course this is only my opinion...
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