The Future of Eminem (Official Discussion Thread)

[Whitefox]

I feel Eminem is more accepted now than ever. But at the same time nobody is shocked anymore, not too many people are pissed off.

What do you want him to do?

[Hopsinshadie]

I feel Eminem is more accepted now than ever. But at the same time nobody is shocked anymore, not too many people are pissed off.

What do you want him to do?

Well, once he decides he has enough exposure, he should tell the whole world to suck his dick

[ganjakush56]

um..hip hop is not generic as a genre

It is.

Maybe to you. Hip-hop isn't just a fucking genre of music. It is a mentality, a culture, a lifestyle, it much, much more than people think.

[IBasicallyRage]

I think he's done tbh. This last album was horrible, the next one will only be worse.

You joking bro?

[GKMC IS SO OVERRATED]

Em is fully capable of dropping a CLASSIC album full of Groundhog Day and Evil Twin type beats.

[Snakebeast]

Em is fully capable of dropping a CLASSIC album full of Groundhog Day and Evil Twin type beats.

Beats do not make a classic Eminem album. Also, your username is shit.

[IBasicallyRage]

Em is fully capable of dropping a CLASSIC album full of Groundhog Day and Evil Twin type beats.

Beats do not make a classic Eminem album. Also, your username is shit.

[Rattle1]

it is the batman, dude made 2 other accounts


"MMLP is TRASH"
"Illmatic SUCKS"
"GKMC is so OVERRATED"

[IBasicallyRage]

it is the batman, dude made 2 other accounts


"MMLP is TRASH"
"Illmatic SUCKS"
"GKMC is so OVERRATED"

[VINTAGƎ]

Wait lol so GKMC isn't overrated? Just checking.

Anywho. Production plays a big role. I'm sure a big reason why TES is so highly regarded is because it has a signature production that you just know is Em. No other rapper has that type of production. Imagine an album with only his beats again. A whole album of Baby, Brainless type shit.

[Rattle1]

it deserves every bit of praise, I'd even say that a few songs are underrated by a few simple minds but I'm not surprised that these guys find illmatic terrible. If you can't appreciate great writing then you can't understand the bible of rap


Look at the users browsing this forum, the troll is still there: "MMLP is TRASH"

[Snakebeast]

Wait lol so GKMC isn't overrated? Just checking.

Anywho. Production plays a big role. I'm sure a big reason why TES is so highly regarded is because it has a signature production that you just know is Em. No other rapper has that type of production. Imagine an album with only his beats again. A whole album of Baby, Brainless type shit.

Baby had the most meh beat on the planet. Brainless had an okay to good beat.

[Rattle1]

IANAHB2>Yeezus

both are trash

[Rattle1]

For those that feel a long wait is alright because you can't rush art/genius/etc:

I agree, but at the same time, art is subjective. Eminem worked on Relapse for -- I don't know how many years. He raised his bar technically...but we still got Old Time's Sake. We still got We Made You. We still got Bagpipes.

He had 3 years to make this one. We still got Stronger Than I Was. We still got The Monster. Not historically terrible songs, but songs that -- I'm sure we expected more from given he's had 3 years to piece this thing together.

I don't want to wait another 3-4 years for an album with hit or miss material.

If this is how it's gonna be from here on in -- experimenting with different sounds and flows and concepts, etc and creating songs that are polarizing -- let's get that now. Let's get that next year.

Why wait 3-4 years, gas ourselves up thinking that all that time in hiding means he's gonna drop a bomb on us...only to have him drop a solid album with a few hits or misses.

This is not a shot at Em. I love MMLP 2 -- I'm just saying, art is subjective and has no correlation to time. It's all about headspace.

He wrote most of MMLP (if I'm not mistaken) in the brief time he was touring Europe. He was gonna name the album Amsterdam initially or some shit. That album is flawless.

Two years later, he drops Eminem Show, another flawless album.

My favorite band, The Black Keys wrote El Camino while they toured. I loved it and so did the overwhelming majority of critics.

You can write a masterpiece in 6 months time, if you are in the zone, or you can try to force a classic by spending an unnecessary amount of time trying to craft the perfect songs, only for the hype to build and for fans to be disappointed. Look at Dre. He's so deep in his own head he won't put out anything. He's paralyzed. I don't want Eminem to get like that.

If he's gonna put out more material, it has to be now. He's not getting any younger. I thought the Relapse one year, Recovery the next was fucking perfect.

I'm not expecting an album in 2014 as it seems like he put a shit ton of work into this project judging by how much material he said he made for it that we'll never hear -- but 2015? Absolutely. If he's not done with solo shit, he needs to get a move on.

Not to sound like a dick..but I respectfully disagree with all of this.

- The more often he releases music, the less momentous the occasion. Especially on the tail end of his career. With the 3 year gap, huge marketing campaign, and MMLP sequel, he just barely outdid Recovery. Anything less will be, well...less in the eyes of the public. Then people will say no one cares as much as they used to. "Unless it makes an impact then don't bother".

-DaVinci was known for taking long as fuck to finish his art, often many many years. You can't put some arbitrary timeframe on developing a masterpiece. Besides, he didn't spend 3 years on the Monster. He spent 3 years writing and recording tons of songs so he could pick the select few, or the "right ones" for the album. I'd rather have the specifically selected set than whatever the first 13 songs he comes up with are.

- How long we wait, and hype it up has nothing to do with the quality. Continuing with DaVinci, if I was a student of his, and someone had the foreknowledge that he was making what would be one of the most famous paintings in history, but I had to wait 5 years to see it...where I set my standards from hype has nothing to do with the actual quality of the Mona Lisa. I'm still confused how you could say art is subjective, and then claim to know the specific time frame that he needs today to create his best work.

-He has somehow managed to outsell himself by a little each time since his comeback. If he ended it with that, people could look back and say "Fuck. Every time Eminem released an album...all the way up until the very end.. he blew up the scene. His name stayed massive his whole career". The first time he sells less than he previously did, that's broken. Now it becomes, "His impact isn't quite as big as it used to be, but he's still one of the biggest rappers". Right now if he stopped, he could be inked in as the biggest rapper ever. No matter his age, his peers, the generation...his impact was uncontested.

-He's so fucking good and on such a large scale people expect a masterpiece. Every time. People expect absolutely nothing less than the best lyricism in the game. He can do absolutely nothing less than have the biggest first week and total sales. If there is even one or two "just okay" songs, it isn't a masterpiece, and old Em would've done it better.

He won't, and I don't want him to, release anything that he doesn't think will fulfill the impact that he is known for. The more often the music, less impact. Less impact, less sales. Less sales, "not as relevant, not as important anymore". For fucks sake, if the guy has a bad guest verse he "fell off". At this stage of his career, he needs to make sure every last contribution he has is as important as possible.

[Amadeo]

@Swa -- The overall point I'm trying to make is -- time spent on a project doesn't necessarily mean it'll be better. You're right about my creative process and his being different. Everyone who creates has a different process. But time is not something that correlates to quality across the board, or else every artist, writer, etc would be taking large chunks of time churning out their creations when that's not the case. It all comes down to artistic inspiration.

True. A great song is always written by someone who's very inspired at the time.

But the problem is that waiting for an awesome idea to hit you or a flash of inspiration takes time itself. You can't just shit out great songs at will.

Then you have to organize the idea/thoughts you had so that they're as close to the original image you had in your mind when you were inspired. That takes time too. Though the more experienced you are with writing, the less time it will take.

I think inspiration is more important, but time does usually play a role. The majority of Eminem's best work was not written in one sitting...it's him picking and choosing from the "stacked ammo" that had been building up in his lyric sheets for years.