Relapse, Recover (lol!!!!) or MMLP2

[yoda you can call me]

Yes you're right, they're subjective. Lets just say then that he played it safe on recovery and catered for a specific kind of audience, i.e the casual listener whom doesn't care about rhyming.. i would go further into detail but im on my stupid phone and its a nightmare to write a post

[VINTAGƎ]

Yes you're right, they're subjective. Lets just say then that he played it safe on recovery and catered for a specific kind of audience, i.e the casual listener whom doesn't care about rhyming.. i would go further into detail but im on my stupid phone and its a nightmare to write a post

I hear that (about the phone, which is where I usually post from and have to edit 50 times).

But me personally, I love his lyrical/technical shit. Been down with this dude since I was 11 years old. He put me on that lyrical shit. Now any rapper I listen to has to be at least somewhat lyrical for me to even consider giving him a chance.

Here's the thing though -- once he dropped TES and 8 Mile, the bar was set. That was it. Yes, he had some real/classic songs prior to that -- but Lose Yourself, Sing For The Moment, Till I Collapse propelled him to a different level. You're not comparing Lose Yourself to some other rap songs during that time. You're comparing Lose Yourself to Stairway To Heaven and Thriller. That's the level those songs reached. Even Stimulate for me personally although he left it off TES.

Anyway -- bottom line is he made timeless records that transcended rap music. Whether or not that was his intention, that's what he did. Suddenly, I stopped caring as much about how he said things and focused more on what he was saying. I was maturing. I wanted substance out of my music.

I can absolutely appreciate his lyrical shit. Definitely. I have my stangasms like any other stan on here when he drops songs with incredible word play and genius lyrical structure. But I don't feel anything when listening to them. Although songs like Rap God do help push me to work out harder when I listen to it -- songs like Lose Yourself make me want to change my fucking life. Take risks, chase my dreams. That kind of shit. He has a way of touching his listeners when he drops some real shit.

So, while songs like Cinderella Man fall short of Till I Collapse quality, they still make me feel more than songs where he's on his super technical serial killer shit. I can appreciate it for what it is, but it's hollow at the end of the day. It's a lyrical exercise -- an impressive one at that -- but I feel nothing.

That's why I like Recovery more. I felt more. It was a total underdog album. From a guy who really could have said fuck it after struggling with addiction, losing his best friend, being tortured by fame, and dropping his second largely panned album in a row. But he came back one fucking year later, totally mature, sober, totally focused, and hungry. It felt like an old fighter getting off the canvas before the 10 count and giving it everything he had. At least to me. And I can relate to that. I can relate to being underestimated. I can relate to people sleeping on you. I can relate to wanting to give it your all.

Lyrics aside, corny punchlines aside -- the feel of the album is what got me.

[yoda you can call me]

great points and well said. I guess it just boils down to preference. As I've matured, I've favoured his lyrical shit more than his meaningful stuff, that's probably why i skip STIW and Headlights quite frequently. have to be in a very specific mood to listen to his heartfelt material.. guess i'm just a cold mofo these days. lal

[VINTAGƎ]

great points and well said. I guess it just boils down to preference. As I've matured, I've favoured his lyrical shit more than his meaningful stuff, that's probably why i skip STIW and Headlights quite frequently. have to be in a very specific mood to listen to his heartfelt material.. guess i'm just a cold mofo these days. lal

Haha.

It's what I love most about Eminem. His versatility. Lose Yourself, Rhyme Or Reason, Stay Wide Awake, The Way I Am, Fack (lol) -- there's nothing he can't do or hasn't done.

His fan base is representative of his split persona. Shady fans and Eminem fans. Relapse/Slim Shady LP fans and Eminem Show/Recovery fans

[yoda you can call me]

great points and well said. I guess it just boils down to preference. As I've matured, I've favoured his lyrical shit more than his meaningful stuff, that's probably why i skip STIW and Headlights quite frequently. have to be in a very specific mood to listen to his heartfelt material.. guess i'm just a cold mofo these days. lal

Haha.

It's what I love most about Eminem. His versatility. Lose Yourself, Rhyme Or Reason, Stay Wide Awake, The Way I Am, Fack (lol) -- there's nothing he can't do or hasn't done.

His fan base is representative of his split persona. Shady fans and Eminem fans. Relapse/Slim Shady LP fans and Eminem Show/Recovery fans

True that homie his versatility is unmatched and that's what propels him to the top

[sneakerheadshady]

great points and well said. I guess it just boils down to preference. As I've matured, I've favoured his lyrical shit more than his meaningful stuff, that's probably why i skip STIW and Headlights quite frequently. have to be in a very specific mood to listen to his heartfelt material.. guess i'm just a cold mofo these days. lal

Haha.

It's what I love most about Eminem. His versatility. Lose Yourself, Rhyme Or Reason, Stay Wide Awake, The Way I Am, Fack (lol) -- there's nothing he can't do or hasn't done.

His fan base is representative of his split persona. Shady fans and Eminem fans. Relapse/Slim Shady LP fans and Eminem Show/Recovery fans

This is 100% true

[TheRelapse2]

hard to say... I think the best would be a mixture of relapse and recovery. And I kinda see MMLP2 as such a mix!

[trentimus]

I just don't understand how some people say Recovery is watered down or catered to a certain audience, half of the album is him raving about his hatred for women and gays. He's so incredibly vulgar all over the album.

Oh, I dunno.. he just made some of the worst songs of all time.. Spacebound, You're Never Over, Wont Back Down.

He made Recovery for white folk. While he does it his own way it was still incredibly weak.. The punchline useage was very reminescent of Lil Wayne.. You can say your favorite rapper looked up to Lil Wayne around 2009.

*Which I wanna note that Lil Wayne's demographic is teenage white girls.

[kkaniff]

@trentimus do you have a problem with White people? Or certain demographics liking certain music?
Please note that I am asking in a non-confrontational/non-aggressive manner.

[Snakebeast]

I just don't understand how some people say Recovery is watered down or catered to a certain audience, half of the album is him raving about his hatred for women and gays. He's so incredibly vulgar all over the album.

Oh, I dunno.. he just made some of the worst songs of all time.. Spacebound, You're Never Over, Wont Back Down.

He made Recovery for white folk. While he does it his own way it was still incredibly weak.. The punchline useage was very reminescent of Lil Wayne.. You can say your favorite rapper looked up to Lil Wayne around 2009.

*Which I wanna note that Lil Wayne's demographic is teenage white girls.

What's wrong with Space Bound?

[trentimus]

What's wrong with Space Bound?

Same thing that is wrong with nails on a chalk board.

@trentimus do you have a problem with White people? Or certain demographics liking certain music?
Please note that I am asking in a non-confrontational/non-aggressive manner.

No and no. I didn't say it in a manner to belittle anyone.. Generally songs like Space Bound are made for Emonem fans.. which is by my guess the same white folk who enjoy Stronger Than I Was. Is it racially stereotyping? Sure.. but everyone might have that minority of peeps who really enjoy it that aren't white.. But I assure you.. Shit like that is the highest peak in Eminem showing off how hard he has sold out at points.

Let me ask you nonconfrontationally.. Are you one of those people who doesn't believe music is demographically targeted?

[Snakebeast]

What's wrong with Space Bound?

Same thing that is wrong with nails on a chalk board.

Care to elaborate? Aside from Em's annoying bridge, nothing's BAD about it.

[trentimus]

I just don't understand how some people say Recovery is watered down or catered to a certain audience, half of the album is him raving about his hatred for women and gays. He's so incredibly vulgar all over the album.

Oh, I dunno.. he just made some of the worst songs of all time.. Spacebound, You're Never Over, Wont Back Down.

He made Recovery for white folk. While he does it his own way it was still incredibly weak.. The punchline useage was very reminescent of Lil Wayne.. You can say your favorite rapper looked up to Lil Wayne around 2009.

*Which I wanna note that Lil Wayne's demographic is teenage white girls.

Spacebound

Song about an anonymous love interest which he chokes to death out of fear of abandonment and in an effort to maintain their togetherness / perfect moment (Porphyria's Lover) and later shoots himself in the head - explicitly depicted in the music video.

You're Never Over

A tribute to his dead best friend...Don't know what you expected...?

Won't Back Down

Lyrical-miracle track that's intended to pump you up. There is nothing in this song that caters to 'white folk', nothing. He's raw on this and is just straight rapping with a ridiculous flow.
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That's a pretty horrific response, take some time off from TR to re-evaluate yourself. You've been on a steady decline for the past month. And relax on the white folk (racist) remarks or I'm going to have to give you a warning point.

I mean if you like trash songs.. you like trash songs. Don't let your ability to edit posts get to your head.. I don't care and you're nothing to me. Someone find me a hip-hop head who thinks Space Bound is dope.. I have only heard my white friends say they thought it was good. IJS. And, saying white folk isn't racist.. you fucking tool.

[Snakebeast]

Oh, I dunno.. he just made some of the worst songs of all time.. Spacebound, You're Never Over, Wont Back Down.

He made Recovery for white folk. While he does it his own way it was still incredibly weak.. The punchline useage was very reminescent of Lil Wayne.. You can say your favorite rapper looked up to Lil Wayne around 2009.

*Which I wanna note that Lil Wayne's demographic is teenage white girls.

Spacebound

Song about an anonymous love interest which he chokes to death out of fear of abandonment and in an effort to maintain their togetherness / perfect moment (Porphyria's Lover) and later shoots himself in the head - explicitly depicted in the music video.

You're Never Over

A tribute to his dead best friend...Don't know what you expected...?

Won't Back Down

Lyrical-miracle track that's intended to pump you up. There is nothing in this song that caters to 'white folk', nothing. He's raw on this and is just straight rapping with a ridiculous flow.
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That's a pretty horrific response, take some time off from TR to re-evaluate yourself. You've been on a steady decline for the past month. And relax on the white folk (racist) remarks or I'm going to have to give you a warning point.

I mean if you like trash songs.. you like trash songs. Don't let your ability to edit posts get to your head.. I don't care and you're nothing to me. Someone find me a hip-hop head who thinks Space Bound is dope.. I have only heard my white friends say they thought it was good. IJS. And, saying white folk isn't racist.. you fucking tool.

So.....your argument for it sucking....is that it's trash. And that the only way to convince you otherwise is to find a "hip-hop head" who thinks Space Bound is good. And are you saying every white person is racist?

Good lord, I think Lord Jamar joined TR.

[VINTAGƎ]

I'm hispanic. Can I enjoy Spacebound? Because I did.

Anyway, yeah -- I don't get how people say Recovery is pop or that he sold out. Those are the same people raving about MMLP 2 yet overlooking STIW, The Monster, Headlights, and Survival.

Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Almost Famous, Seduction, Untitled, Cinderella Man are far from pop. And even the songs which are considered pop have very dark imagery in them. Spacebound with the murder/suicide ending, LTWYL with the physical abuse talk and the burning a person alive talk.