Some scatter-brained thoughts about MMLP2.

[VINTAGƎ]

Can you guys elaborate on what you mean by technical? All I think of when I hear that is rhyme schemes and multis, and in that case I would have to disagree with MMLP2>MMLP in that aspect, although on Legacy he does stay on the same rhyme scheme (unlike anything done on MMLP).

"Windows tinted on my ride when I drive in it,
so when I rob a bank, run out and just dive in it
So I'll be disguised in it
And if anybody identifies the guy in it
I'll hide for five minutes"

"They said I provoke queers, till emotions evoke tears
My whole career's a stroke of sheer genius, smoke and mirrors
Tactical, practical jokes yeah
You motherfuckin insert insult here"

He has a shit ton more inside rhyme schemes in his verses now. Look at the structure. Most of MMLP was him rhyming end words. This new Relapse, MMLP 2 stuff is layered with rhymes all over the place. That's only one example.

[Nostradomus]

Can you guys elaborate on what you mean by technical? All I think of when I hear that is rhyme schemes and multis, and in that case I would have to disagree with MMLP2>MMLP in that aspect, although on Legacy he does stay on the same rhyme scheme (unlike anything done on MMLP).

"Windows tinted on my ride when I drive in it,
so when I rob a bank, run out and just dive in it
So I'll be disguised in it
And if anybody identifies the guy in it
I'll hide for five minutes"

"They said I provoke queers, till emotions evoke tears
My whole career's a stroke of sheer genius, smoke and mirrors
Tactical, practical jokes yeah
You motherfuckin insert insult here"

He has a shit ton more inside rhyme schemes in his verses now. Look at the structure. Most of MMLP was him rhyming end words. This new Relapse, MMLP 2 stuff is layered with rhymes all over the place. That's only one example.

Yeah that part from Brainless is definitely nice but you must be forgetting the technical aspect of a lot of his MMLP verses:
"guys are so sensitive, try and just don't mention it, mind with no sense in it, fried schizophrenic whose eyes get so squinted, I'm blind from smoking 'em with my windowns tinted, with nine limos rented doin' lines of coke in em"
and not to mention, "gave a fuck, I'd shave my nuts, tuck my dick in between my legs and cluck... brave enough to say the stuff I say so just tape it shut"
I don't feel like bolding all the multi's but you get my point.

[VINTAGƎ]

Can you guys elaborate on what you mean by technical? All I think of when I hear that is rhyme schemes and multis, and in that case I would have to disagree with MMLP2>MMLP in that aspect, although on Legacy he does stay on the same rhyme scheme (unlike anything done on MMLP).

"Windows tinted on my ride when I drive in it,
so when I rob a bank, run out and just dive in it
So I'll be disguised in it
And if anybody identifies the guy in it
I'll hide for five minutes"

"They said I provoke queers, till emotions evoke tears
My whole career's a stroke of sheer genius, smoke and mirrors
Tactical, practical jokes yeah
You motherfuckin insert insult here"

He has a shit ton more inside rhyme schemes in his verses now. Look at the structure. Most of MMLP was him rhyming end words. This new Relapse, MMLP 2 stuff is layered with rhymes all over the place. That's only one example.

Yeah that part from Brainless is definitely nice but you must be forgetting the technical aspect of a lot of his MMLP verses:
"guys are so sensitive, try and just don't mention it, mind with no sense in it, fried schizophrenic whose eyes get so squinted, I'm blind from smoking 'em with my windowns tinted, with nine limos rented doin' lines of coke in em"
and not to mention, "gave a fuck, I'd shave my nuts, tuck my dick in between my legs and cluck... brave enough to say the stuff I say so just tape it shut"
I don't feel like bolding all the multi's but you get my point.

No doubt. He certainly had his moments but now it's become his standard. He also now does a lot of -- I don't know what to call it...reverse rhyming? Taking a word or phrase and flipping it backwards.

Example:
-Outsold the sellouts.
-I don't do this music shit I lose my shit, ain't got shit to lose...

There's a lot more I just can't think of any at the moment. That seems to be a fairly large part of his game now. How many phrases can he reverse.

[shadyblogger]

Yeah I feel like MMLP 2 was arguably the hardest album for him to make and pull off successfully. For him to succeed again and hit a second prime it was so hard and so far fetched after Recovery that many deemed it impossible. Many hip-hop heads had written him off after Recovery and the fact he was able to come back like this so strong and so great. The feat is practically impossible and I don't think any other rapper could have done something like this. Eminem's discography is very unique and no other rapper could have gone through so much and had some serious regressions yet manage to come back on top in a sort of second prime. It truly is amazing.

[VINTAGƎ]

Yeah I feel like MMLP 2 was arguably the hardest album for him to make and pull off successfully. For him to succeed again and hit a second prime it was so hard and so far fetched after Recovery that many deemed it impossible. Many hip-hop heads had written him off after Recovery and the fact he was able to come back like this so strong and so great. The feat is practically impossible and I don't think any other rapper could have done something like this. Eminem's discography is very unique and no other rapper could have gone through so much and had some serious regressions yet manage to come back on top in a sort of second prime. It truly is amazing.

You can have your feelings on Recovery, but every time I see this, I'm going to dispute it. Recovery has an 8.2 user rating on Metacritic based on 622 votes. MMLP 2 has 8.3 on 530 votes. "Hip hop heads" did not "write him off" after Recovery. Maybe you did. The overwhelming majority of fans loved it.

[Sea triscuit]

On MMLP2 I feel he improved most on the actual sound of his music, all the production was interesting and complemented the songs well. And even though his verses aren't as smooth and seemingly natural, he's improved on double entendres and other literary techniques. Some good examples can be found in that "word association" thread. Usually eminem's lines are somewhat straightforward but on MMLP2 some of the lines have deeper meaning without sounding corny like a lot of times on Recovery.

[shadyblogger]

Yeah I feel like MMLP 2 was arguably the hardest album for him to make and pull off successfully. For him to succeed again and hit a second prime it was so hard and so far fetched after Recovery that many deemed it impossible. Many hip-hop heads had written him off after Recovery and the fact he was able to come back like this so strong and so great. The feat is practically impossible and I don't think any other rapper could have done something like this. Eminem's discography is very unique and no other rapper could have gone through so much and had some serious regressions yet manage to come back on top in a sort of second prime. It truly is amazing.

You can have your feelings on Recovery, but every time I see this, I'm going to dispute it. Recovery has an 8.2 user rating on Metacritic based on 622 votes. MMLP 2 has 8.3 on 530 votes. "Hip hop heads" did not "write him off" after Recovery. Maybe you did. The overwhelming majority of fans loved it.

I didn't like Recovery when I first heard some of the songs as I really enjoyed his work from 1999-2002 the most. I still like 1999-2002 the most but after a while I guess you could say I came to like Recovery. I guess I just felt something was lacking with Recovery and as time passed I started to want something from Em but I didn't know what I wanted. Then when Em released MMLP 2, he satisfied what I was looking for I guess you could say. Recovery is by no means a bad album it just isn't that great to me on a subjective level.

[Hopsinshadie]

Also, where the fuck is Hopsinshadie? I miss that guy.

Oh I don't blame you for a second.

Yes MMLP2 shows he's a better rapper. In MMLP he got to pick the low hanging fruit. It was easy back then because nobody expected an underdog white guy to rap like a crazy guy. But he had to change it up and did that with TES.

I think that Em just keeps on improving lately. Next album will be even better than MMLP2. He's going to really experiment with different voices and unorthodox flows. We'll hear more flows like the speedy lyrics in Rap God and unconventional deliveries in Berzerk.

[EminemInsider]

Eminem has managed to stay on top (not really) in popularity/sales because of the his earlier career. He could fart through an album and still sell tons of copies, which is basically what happened with Encore. The critics will mostly just look the other way...and pretend it's the same as it's always been with the King Of All Homophobia.

[kkaniff]

Explain Relapse's 2x plat. compared to Recovery 4.5x then.

[kkaniff]

I take back my earlier question, you're clearly trolling.

[Hopsinshadie]

Not EVERY single song or line works, yeah, but it's true...Eminem on MMLP2 is as good as he has ever been if not better. His technical skills are seriously top-notch on the album. Even if people aren't feeling the hooks or the music, no one can say that Eminem himself disappointed because he went hard. Even on The Monster he delivers some good verses.

[EminemInsider]

Not EVERY single song or line works, yeah, but it's true...Eminem on MMLP2 is as good as he has ever been if not better. His technical skills are seriously top-notch on the album. Even if people aren't feeling the hooks or the music, no one can say that Eminem himself disappointed because he went hard. Even on The Monster he delivers some good verses.

What technical skills are these? Sure, he's rhyming well, but he's been doing that since Relapse.

His flow is the major flaw with this album, and that's certainly a technical aspect.

[Hopsinshadie]

Not EVERY single song or line works, yeah, but it's true...Eminem on MMLP2 is as good as he has ever been if not better. His technical skills are seriously top-notch on the album. Even if people aren't feeling the hooks or the music, no one can say that Eminem himself disappointed because he went hard. Even on The Monster he delivers some good verses.

What technical skills are these? Sure, he's rhyming well, but he's been doing that since Relapse.

His flow is the major flaw with this album, and that's certainly a technical aspect.

You're demonstrably wrong. MMLP2 is a kick ass anthem

[shadyblogger]

Hopsinshadie you used to bitch about the album and complain about his flow. What happened?