MMLP2 is NOT a classic.

[Raul]

Classics have flaws. Even TES and SSLP had flaws.

Still 9+ albums. I do like every song on SSLP and TES, meanwhile in MMLP2 I don't like Survival/Stronger than I was that much, nor Asshole's beat. I hope you get my point.

[Tash8]

I dont mean to interrupt the party, but it's hard to call something a classic when it's only been out a month. Classics stand the test of time, we'll see how this does in the future. As for now, I'd like to make an analogy in reference to the OP's claim that this is Eminem's prime. In the NFL world, Peyton Manning's prime was considered between 2004-2009, and then in 2010 he had four neck surgeries that compromised his NFL career and forced his exit from the Colts. Now three years later playing for the Broncos, Peyton Manning is putting up numbers very similar to his prime years. So do call this his prime? No not really. He's obviously not as good as thrower, he throws lame ducks all over the place, but still wins. When it comes to Eminem, his real prime is '99-'03, and no this is not his prime. He's obviously not the guy he used to be, but like Peyton Manning, he's smart and realized what he cannot do anymore, and found a way around it. This is a different prime in a legend's career, and it might come close but it won't ever match the true prime. The same way Peyton is not throwing a 60 yard deep route for a TD is the same reason Eminem won't make a song like Cleaning out my Closet. Instead they realize they can't do that anymore, either physically (peyton) or mentally (eminem) so they found ways around it. Reading a defense and throwing a 20 yard route that goes for a TD or in Eminem's case writing "Headlights." At the end of the days, legends cannot be at their best forever, and when they get close to it again, just please for the love of god; enjoy it and don't compare it to the past work.

[IBasicallyRage]

I dont mean to interrupt the party, but it's hard to call something a classic when it's only been out a month. Classics stand the test of time, we'll see how this does in the future. As for now, I'd like to make an analogy in reference to the OP's claim that this is Eminem's prime. In the NFL world, Peyton Manning's prime was considered between 2004-2009, and then in 2010 he had four neck surgeries that compromised his NFL career and forced his exit from the Colts. Now three years later playing for the Broncos, Peyton Manning is putting up numbers very similar to his prime years. So do call this his prime? No not really. He's obviously not as good as thrower, he throws lame ducks all over the place, but still wins. When it comes to Eminem, his real prime is '99-'03, and no this is not his prime. He's obviously not the guy he used to be, but like Peyton Manning, he's smart and realized what he cannot do anymore, and found a way around it. This is a different prime in a legend's career, and it might come close but it won't ever match the true prime. The same way Peyton is not throwing a 60 yard deep route for a TD is the same reason Eminem won't make a song like Cleaning out my Closet. Instead they realize they can't do that anymore, either physically (peyton) or mentally (eminem) so they found ways around it. Reading a defense and throwing a 20 yard route that goes for a TD or in Eminem's case writing "Headlights." At the end of the days, legends cannot be at their best forever, and when they get close to it again, just please for the love of god; enjoy it and don't compare it to the past work.

Great read.

Tash is hittin them hard

[kkaniff]

-MBDTF, GKMC are both records that were declared classic scant months after their release, there's probably more but those two are what immediately come to mind.
-I don't follow football, and I don't know what "numbers" represent in the analogy but I think, and I've said so ad nausem, that Bad Guy is as brilliant as Stan, that Rap God is every bit as good as TWIA, Rhyme or Reason as entertaining as Square Dance etc. Thus "prime".
- I don't know how making a thread that declares MMLP2 a classic, in any way implies that I didn't enjoy it 'cos I was too busy comparing it to his past work.
But hey, what do I know?

[Tash8]

-MBDTF, GKMC are both records that were declared classic scant months after their release, there's probably more but those two are what immediately come to mind.
-I don't follow football, and I don't know what "numbers" represent in the analogy but I think, and I've said so ad nausem, that Bad Guy is as brilliant as Stan, that Rap God is every bit as good as TWIA, Rhyme or Reason as entertaining as Square Dance etc. Thus "prime".
- I don't know how making a thread that declares MMLP2 a classic, in any way implies that I didn't enjoy it 'cos I was too busy comparing it to his past work.
But hey, what do I know?

Well I notice minor flaws that Eminem makes now that he never made back in his true prime. Like the EXIST-ED line in Bad Guy would never have happened in Em's prime. As great as this album is, there is noticeable flaws. Now I never said it can't be a classic, I said it needs to stand the test of time. Then I said, this is not his prime; and even if this is proclaimed a classic this would still not be his prime cause his prime was from '99-'03. Because those were the years he dropped nonstop classic verses from SSLP, MMLP, Devil's Night, Eminem Show, and 8 Mile. If only you understood the analogy, you'd have saved me the trouble.

Now the people that claimed MBDTF, and GKMC classics right away might be right, but that doesn't mean that's the case with every album. I remember people calling Yeezus a classic, if I recall some people on this album said Recovery is better than SSLP (which is a classic, IMO). Yes we all fall for the hype, but its not always the case that we believe is a classic becomes a classic. Which is why I say, you can say it'll be a classic, but that's not going to be a factual claim until years later if the album has longevity.

[Lowdownandshifty]

Its not a classic, listened to it for one week and then got bored of it. i listen to MMLP at least once a week its an ageless classic. its alright i guess but i listen to music that reflects my mood or instigates a mood, MMLP2 is all over the place and does not do much for me.I love the twisted depth in the MMLP, The Hilariously Twisted absurdity of SSLP. MMLP2 is just so average.

[yoda you can call me]

Em had some questionable lines in his "real prime" though, "say the same things tweece" would of caught the same level of scrutiny he does today.
There's an handful of tracks on this album that sit comfortably amongst his best work imho..
Brainless has classic Em written all over it..

[kkaniff]

@Lowdownandshifty and I still have it on repeat now, what's your point?

[EminemBase]

Em had some questionable lines in his "real prime" though, "say the same things tweece" would of caught the same level of scrutiny he does today.
There's an handful of tracks on this album that sit comfortably amongst his best work imho..
Brainless has classic Em written all over it..

There's a bunch of tracks period since coming back which do I think.

A bunch on Relapse, some of Recovery, the best of MMLP2...

He hasn't created an album to match, but the standard has been there.

[yoda you can call me]

Em had some questionable lines in his "real prime" though, "say the same things tweece" would of caught the same level of scrutiny he does today.
There's an handful of tracks on this album that sit comfortably amongst his best work imho..
Brainless has classic Em written all over it..

There's a bunch of tracks period since coming back which do I think.

A bunch on Relapse, some of Recovery, the best of MMLP2...

He hasn't created an album to match, but the standard has been there.

Yeah, exactly man, I think he just deliberately caters for a varied audience now and that's why the MMLP2 is so diverse. One mans junk is another another mans treasure, springs to mind

[Hopsinshadie]

MMLP2 is a straight up classic. Bad Guy, Rhyme or Reason, Legacy, Berzerk, Rap God, Headlights, and Evil Twin are hits. Oh and Monster and BP are just so nostalgic and make me reminisce of my own life.

[Troll]

MMLP2 is a straight up classic. Bad Guy, Rhyme or Reason, Legacy, Berzerk, Rap God, Headlights, and Evil Twin are hits. Oh and Monster and BP are just so nostalgic and make me reminisce of my own life.

Yeah, You are the Monster of trshady.

[kkaniff]

Hopsinshadie >>> Troll.

[IBasicallyRage]

Theyre equal.

[EminemBase]

Monstah is eminumz best truck.