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Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby VINTAGƎ » Dec 20th, '13, 11:42

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VINTAGƎ wrote:I really....

Like -- if we found out years later that Kanye paid off every major media outlet to give positive reviews for Yeezus, or his label did it to save face because it performed poorly for Kanye standards, I wouldn't be surprised. In fact; it would make more sense than what's actually going on.

Do these critics leave the house? Have they heard the reception to Bound 2 and the accompanying video? People are mocking that shit.

Do they know even a considerable amount of Kanye fans admit it's is weakest effort?

Where do these people live? I literally know zero people who are playing this shit or even talked about it being good. Not that MMLP 2 is killing the game, but more people I know listened to it and enjoyed it than Yeezus people. I'm still waiting to meet a person in real life who liked it.

I'm surprised he wasn't named first and second, with Jay being third and fourth for the new rules he laid down upon us and how he changed the course of the game forever.

Alternately, you fucking insolent crybaby, maybe some people just like a thing you don't. Jesus Christ, this is why I hate the Eminem section of the site and most Eminem fans in general. You people can't accept that in the year 2013, there are artists more critically popular and respected than your idol. You want it to be 2002 again, but it's not. It's just not. I don't even know how delusional you have to be to think nobody actually likes Yeezus, but you sound like the biggest titty baby stan right now. There's more to hip-hop music than just goddamn multis.

Love it or hate it, Yeezus is a very bold and musically experimental album that takes risks, and regardless of if you like the album's lyrics (which are Kanye's weakest but still eons ahead of Encore and Recovery), they're clearly coming from a personal place that means something to the artist. When one of the biggest names in the world releases a radically anti-commercial album with very little promotion and no singles, it's a huge deal. Sure, it's going to divide people, but the reception outside of this site's tremendously naive and biased user base has been overwhelmingly positive.

For the record, I know many more people who like Yeezus than MMLP2, and even most of those people who liked MMLP2 still prefer Yeezus. (I'd go with MMLP2, though both albums are top 5 of 2013.) Literally none of those people were paid to like Yeezus, and none of them give a fuck about listening to what's "cool."


So just so we're clear on this -- I'm a "fucking insolent crybaby" because I, 1.) Don't see the genius in Yeezus, which is my opinion, nor 2.) Have I heard anyone in real life rave about the album or even talk about it period.

But you're not a fucking insolent crybaby, despite attacking me personally because my views differ from yours?

You know you just wrote a lengthy post attacking me because I hated Yeezus much like I wrote a lengthy post attacking critics who liked Yeezus, right?
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby VINTAGƎ » Dec 20th, '13, 11:42

kkaniff wrote:@Vintage do you want to handle that or should I? I'm a lot more, what's the word, insulting.


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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby VINTAGƎ » Dec 20th, '13, 11:49

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kkaniff wrote:@Vintage do you want to handle that or should I? I'm a lot more, what's the word, insulting.

Typical kkaniff, resorting to childish insults instead of actually discussing the content of the post or even attempting to carry on an intelligent debate with any level of proper discourse.


Isn't that what you just did?
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby VINTAGƎ » Dec 20th, '13, 11:56

Digging myself into a further hole? My post got you so riled up you restorted to insults and name calling. Nevermind the reasoning behind it. You know how it could have been handled in a way that would make me take you serious?

"Na bro come on. That's a little extreme. Maybe you don't know anyone who likes the album but a lot of people do. Critics weren't paid shit, people actually liked the album despite what you or the people you know felt about it."

Then maybe we could have had legitimate dialogue going. I'm not in the business of getting into flame wars on the internet. If you think I've "dug a hole" on an internet forum, I don't know what else to say. Good luck with all that.
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby VINTAGƎ » Dec 20th, '13, 11:58

Horsebot3K wrote:Not at all. I insulted you because you insulted Yeezus fans, thereby putting me on the defensive.


I'm sorry you got offended bro.

Talk as much shit about the album you want. Be my guest. If you think it sounds like a gang of retards fucking a trashcan, that's your opinion.


Alright.

But when you insult the people who do like the album and accuse them of being paid off or trying to seem hip, we're going to have a problem.


Well I certainly don't want any problems.
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby Solace » Dec 20th, '13, 11:59

Yeezus is so good
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby VINTAGƎ » Dec 20th, '13, 12:08

Horsebot3K wrote:
VINTAGƎ wrote:Digging myself into a further hole? My post got you so riled up you restorted to insults and name calling. Nevermind the reasoning behind it. You know how it could have been handled in a way that would make me take you serious?

"Na bro come on. That's a little extreme. Maybe you don't know anyone who likes the album but a lot of people do. Critics weren't paid shit, people actually liked the album despite what you or the people you know felt about it."

Then maybe we could have had legitimate dialogue going. I'm not in the business of getting into flame wars on the internet. If you think I've "dug a hole" on an internet forum, I don't know what else to say. Good luck with all that.

Yeah, okay, fair enough. You raise a valid point. Perhaps I ripped into you pretty hard, but this isn't just you. There are many stans here who say shit like that, and unfortunately, yours was just one too many. It's maddening to read the same hyperbolic trash about Kanye and Yeezus every day on this site. Imagine if you were also a Kanye fan and happened to be on a Kanye fan forum. I'm not sure how KTT treats Em fans, but for argument's sake, let's just say you found yourself being an active poster on KTT because you're a big Kanye fan, yet you also love Eminem. I say this because that's the inverse of the position I find myself in on TR. Now let's say that every day on KTT you read from countless Kanye stans that nobody likes Eminem and the critics who positively review his albums were obviously bribed. Wouldn't that shit get tiresome after a while?


I have been a member on various hip hop forums. General ones, not artist specific. Anyway, Eminem was always written off, underrated, or just plain hated on.

Hence why I joined here and left the other boards behind. Home field advantage.

Understand that this is an Eminem forum. The only people who join are massive fans or massive trolls. Anyone who is lukewarm on Em is not gonna waste time joining a forum dedicated to him and his music.

So yeah, expect hyperbolic, inflammatory posts aimed at other artists from time to time, particularly those who are constantly ranked higher than him when it comes to album ratings and the like.

I was once a Kanye fan myself, but feel his work is disgustingly pretentious and even worse are his fans who believe his albums are masterpieces, gamechangers, monumental events, and can't stand when other people just see them as average lyrics on weird beats.

Sometimes you have to outweigh the Kanye stannery with stannery of your own.
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby Troll » Dec 20th, '13, 12:14

Horsebot3K wrote:
VINTAGƎ wrote:I really....

Like -- if we found out years later that Kanye paid off every major media outlet to give positive reviews for Yeezus, or his label did it to save face because it performed poorly for Kanye standards, I wouldn't be surprised. In fact; it would make more sense than what's actually going on.

Do these critics leave the house? Have they heard the reception to Bound 2 and the accompanying video? People are mocking that shit.

Do they know even a considerable amount of Kanye fans admit it's is weakest effort?

Where do these people live? I literally know zero people who are playing this shit or even talked about it being good. Not that MMLP 2 is killing the game, but more people I know listened to it and enjoyed it than Yeezus people. I'm still waiting to meet a person in real life who liked it.

I'm surprised he wasn't named first and second, with Jay being third and fourth for the new rules he laid down upon us and how he changed the course of the game forever.

Alternately, you fucking insolent crybaby, maybe some people just like a thing you don't. Jesus Christ, this is why I hate the Eminem section of the site and most Eminem fans in general. You people can't accept that in the year 2013, there are artists more critically popular and respected than your idol. You want it to be 2002 again, but it's not. It's just not. I don't even know how delusional you have to be to think nobody actually likes Yeezus, but you sound like the biggest titty baby stan right now. There's more to hip-hop music than just goddamn multis.

Love it or hate it, Yeezus is a very bold and musically experimental album that takes risks, and regardless of if you like the album's lyrics (which are Kanye's weakest but still eons ahead of Encore and Recovery), they're clearly coming from a personal place that means something to the artist. When one of the biggest names in the world releases a radically anti-commercial album with very little promotion and no singles, it's a huge deal. Sure, it's going to divide people, but the reception outside of this site's tremendously naive and biased user base has been overwhelmingly positive.

For the record, I know many more people who like Yeezus than MMLP2, and even most of those people who liked MMLP2 still prefer Yeezus. (I'd go with MMLP2, though both albums are top 5 of 2013.) Literally none of those people were paid to like Yeezus, and none of them give a fuck about listening to what's "cool."

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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby kkaniff » Dec 20th, '13, 12:21

*"Now let's say that every day on
KTT you read from countless Kanye
stans that nobody likes Eminem and
the critics who positively review his
albums were obviously bribed."
This is actually what happens on there so don't expect any sympathy.
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby Solace » Dec 20th, '13, 12:24

Nope lol^ There are a lot of Eminem fans on KTT :unsure:
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby kkaniff » Dec 20th, '13, 12:24

* "Alternately, you fucking insolent
crybaby, maybe some people just like
a thing you don't"
Like how he doesn't like Yeezus(like most people I know), and you're being insolent and whiny about it?
* "which are
Kanye's weakest but still eons ahead
of Encore and Recovery"
This might be the most idiotic thing you've ever said.
* "When one of the biggest names in the
world releases a radically anti-
commercial album"
You mean, like Relapse?
* "For the record, I know many more
people who like Yeezus than MMLP2,"
Record sales say otherwise.
I was going to say a lot more but VINTAGE seems to be handling himself alright.
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby kkaniff » Dec 20th, '13, 12:25

@Solace They don't make many threads then.
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby Troll » Dec 20th, '13, 12:26

kkaniff wrote:* "Alternately, you fucking insolent
crybaby, maybe some people just like
a thing you don't"
Like how he doesn't like Yeezus(like most people I know), and you're being insolent and whiny about it?
* "which are
Kanye's weakest but still eons ahead
of Encore and Recovery"
This might be the most idiotic thing you've ever said.
* "When one of the biggest names in the
world releases a radically anti-
commercial album"
You mean, like Relapse?
* "For the record, I know many more
people who like Yeezus than MMLP2,"
Record sales say otherwise.
I was going to say a lot more but VINTAGE seems to be handling himself alright.


So sales=quality?
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby Solace » Dec 20th, '13, 12:26

lol if you say so
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Re: Rolling Stone Names Its 20 Best Hip Hop Albums Of 2013

Postby kkaniff » Dec 20th, '13, 12:32

@Troll
Nope, sales mean your music appeals to people, which is the point of making music in the first place.
Also, it was in response to his statement that more people prefer Yeezus to MMLP2.
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