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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby yoda you can call me » Jan 12th, '14, 23:22

whiteamerica2 wrote:
Sam. wrote:Just because he hints at retirement, suddenly it becomes his best verse on the Album.


Absolutely not. The concept of the 4th verse. The rhyming. The emotion. It's flawless. You can feel the emotion with the way he delivers the verse. Like they said it makes me get chills listening to it. It is the best verse on the the album.

"I represent everything, you take for granted
‘Cause Marshall Mathers the rapper's persona's half a facade
And Matthew and Stan's just symbolic
Of you not knowing what you had 'till it's gone
‘Cause after all the glitz and the glam
No more fans that are calling your name, cameras are off
Sad, but it happens to all of them"

"But in my head there's a voice in the back and it hollers after the track is demolished
"I am your lack of a conscience"
I'm the ringing in your ears, I'm the polyps on the back of your tonsils
Eating your vocal chords after your concerts
I'm your time that's almost up that you haven't acknowledged
Grab for some water but I'm that pill that's too jagged to swallow"

Highlights of the album.

Just reading that give me chills, powerful fucking stuff.
One of the best verses he's ever spat in his entire career tbh. His lyrics and delivery are fire to me like.
I love the way he delivers "better make sure you're packing a wallop". Whew :'(
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby shadyblogger » Jan 13th, '14, 00:25

Been listening to MMLP 2 again for a little while. I just listened to Bad Guy for the first time in a while and I have to say the 4th verse is pretty damn epic. I still agree with what I said earlier about sometimes sacrificing rhyming to let the content be even better but not nearly as strong as I felt about that belief earlier. I think MMLP 2 actually has a perfect balance of really good content yet some crazy good rhyming. I was wrong in that sense. I think Em has a really nice balance now but if he were to start to lean towards one, I would prefer content. But overall I have to say again MMLP 2 is a pretty fucking great album! It has genius written all over it.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby Snakebeast » Jan 13th, '14, 02:12

shadyblogger wrote:Been listening to MMLP 2 again for a little while. I just listened to Bad Guy for the first time in a while and I have to say the 4th verse is pretty damn epic. I still agree with what I said earlier about sometimes sacrificing rhyming to let the content be even better but not nearly as strong as I felt about that belief earlier. I think MMLP 2 actually has a perfect balance of really good content yet some crazy good rhyming. I was wrong in that sense. I think Em has a really nice balance now but if he were to start to lean towards one, I would prefer content. But overall I have to say again MMLP 2 is a pretty fucking great album! It has genius written all over it.

In terms of sacrificing content for rhyming on Bad Guy.... Have you got any examples? I'm curious.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby unmissingpiece » Jan 13th, '14, 02:22

Yeah, I feel that Bad Guy is a little overrated. I mean, without the 4th verse, I doubt everyone would praise it as much. I honestly think that Rap God, Legacy, and Brainless are better.

The first 2 verses in Bad Guy were (just a little) weak imo; I actually find myself skipping to the 3rd. The beat in the 4th verse really enhances it and his closing lines are very poetic-sounding. Also, I didn't find the rhyming forced either. It all felt natural to me.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby shadyblogger » Jan 13th, '14, 02:24

Snake897 wrote:
shadyblogger wrote:Been listening to MMLP 2 again for a little while. I just listened to Bad Guy for the first time in a while and I have to say the 4th verse is pretty damn epic. I still agree with what I said earlier about sometimes sacrificing rhyming to let the content be even better but not nearly as strong as I felt about that belief earlier. I think MMLP 2 actually has a perfect balance of really good content yet some crazy good rhyming. I was wrong in that sense. I think Em has a really nice balance now but if he were to start to lean towards one, I would prefer content. But overall I have to say again MMLP 2 is a pretty fucking great album! It has genius written all over it.

In terms of sacrificing content for rhyming on Bad Guy.... Have you got any examples? I'm curious.


I just relistened to it after I said that and realized I was wrong when I said that. Like my comment after that one said: I changed how I felt about the last verse of Bad Guy in that sense and realized something great about MMLP 2.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby unmissingpiece » Jan 13th, '14, 02:39

^ I think there can always be a mixture of both. Take Renegade, for instance, which has really clean internal rhymes without sacrificing any meaning or content. Damn, Eminem's verses were incredible on that song.

Most of Eminem's albums do have both, actually. The only album where his rhyming is sub-par is Encore.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby Despicable » Jan 13th, '14, 04:23

Dont really know what youre on about.

The 4th verse is pretty fucking epic if you ask me.
Its dope as fuck,it couldnt have been any better,its perfect.
Cry babies,maybe my way that i use words is loose
but you turds better be careful how you choose yours
Cause feelings scar,but egos bruise worse
And the truth hurts,shit no wonder youre sore losers
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby Kill You » Jan 13th, '14, 06:24

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Kill You wrote:The 4th verse is great but I sort of agree, it's pretty overrated on here lol. So many better verses from this album and the 4th verse is what got Bad Guy to win in the elimination game. :shakehead:

What better verses?


Most of the album. Lol. Really, the content is what makes the 4th verse so great to everyone. I don't give a shit about content as long as the song is good. Bad Guy is a great song, Top 5 probably from the album for the concept alone.

Music is all opinions and everything so you're probably thinking I'm crazy for saying most of the album is better than the Bad Guy verse but really I'm with bigray I find myself enjoying the song as a whole a lot more than just that one part everyone seems to focus on. You'll get people saying "yeah the first three verses weren't that good but that fourth was great, Bad Guy GOAT" and I'm just going ummm...what? That's as bad as hating a whole song because of one little part lol. Loving a song just for one part is kind of dumb. Not to say I don't like the 4th verse because I do but it is far from the best on the album.

IMO IMO! I have to add that.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby Kill You » Jan 13th, '14, 06:42

Menzo wrote:
But it has content, flow, rhyming, delivery and an exceptional beat...I really don't know what else it has to have.


Yeah and the content, rhyming, flow, and delivery on most of the other songs, imo, are much better. I never said it was a bad verse, I'm saying it's not the best.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby Brainless BadGuy » Jan 13th, '14, 09:27

This could be the best verse on MMLP2 but it's not my favourite. I respect it a lot more than I enjoy it.
I'd rather listen to all 3 verses of Rhyme or Reason over it but that's not because they're better, just that I have more fun with them
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby kkaniff » Jan 13th, '14, 10:04

It's not just the 4th verse that is epic. The first verse is deliberately ambigous; is he talking about Kim or some other chick or something else?
The second verse makes it clearer, painting a better picture of Matthew as a character with briliant storytelling.
The third verse has the most brilliant bit of acting since Kim and paints an eerily accurate picture of a psychotic break.
The first 3 verses alone show masterful storytelling.
And then the fourth verse is just...epic beautiful poetic imagery, emotional as fuck, self aware in a way that I'd prayed the album would be before it leaked and...
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby sbolli1 » Jan 13th, '14, 13:21

gtfo of here with almost every verse on the album being better.

The 4th verse gets all the praise it does over the first three because it's better, plain and simple. Not to say the first three are bad, but the 4th is just on another level.

The way he basically uses the aftermath of Matthew's/Stan's story to address himself as if he is his own faults and insecurities. Seriously don't know how people can look at/hear some of the lines in this verse and not get chills, I do every time.

He addresses so much shit here it's insane: his hypocrisy regarding bullies and women, his fear of being irrelevant, the feigning power of his voice as he continues to strain it, the fear of not living up to expectations despite all the shit he's already done, the true meaning behind the story of Stan and Matthew, his getting older.

And the fact that he kept the rhyme scheme throughout without sounding forced or anything is just crazy considering the amount of critical analysis in the verse.

If someone wanted to understand the essence of who Eminem as an artist is through his music, this would probably be the final track I showed them.
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby yoda you can call me » Jan 13th, '14, 13:25

^Bravo.. well said
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby Shpongle » Jan 13th, '14, 16:14

The 4th verse still gives me goosebumps, epic shit :worship: not since TES i loved a track/verse like that
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Re: Bad Guy 4th verse

Postby Mr.DGAF » Jan 13th, '14, 21:32

4th verse of Bad Guy is my favorite from the album, and barring one shitty punchline, is one of the best since his comeback. He's got some really good verses on this album, but either this or the second verse of Headlights would take it for me. His flow, rhyming, content, everything. This is the verse that sums up the album for me.

The voice was perfect for that part of the song. I love the voice acting on this song; the bar "I'm the bullies you hate, that you became" is a great example of him sounding genuinely spiteful.

bigray wrote:I still don't like his voice and delivery on that last verse, sounds like an enhanced shitty left over from recovery....the first 3 verses are fire, content wise and voice wise....i just love how he tells the story in those 3 verses gives me chills all the time.


Nah fam. You're entitled to your opinion and all, but a "shitty left over from recovery"...nah. Vocally this sounds pretty different, unless you wanna argue he's "yelling" like he does on recovery (which he isn't). The complaint with Recovery's yelling is that it didn't seem necessary, or wasn't authentic. If this doesn't convey the idea that he genuinely is trying to convey emotion through vocal presence then idk what to say.
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