Every Real Eminem Fan Enter Here And Read This

by **56King** » Aug 10th, '06, 17:11

Eminem didn't make hip hop played out the fans and networks did. The networks play what the fans want, and sadly they didn't want Rakim. The reason you don't hear that many rappers sayin' Eminem as one of their influences cuz half of them arent' comfortable with givin' that kind of credibility to a white person.

by **AspirinE** » Aug 10th, '06, 17:12

EmptyPromises wrote:
ASP wrote:White people were always main consumers.

u were the one who said this and then contradicted it and ur callin me a retard. ASP truth is u just don't want to admit that Eminem deserves the credit and ur the one doin' the pointless arguments that u can't win because u condradict urself so ASP don't talk when u don't know wat ur talkin' about u'll just make ur self sound stupid in the end

Riiight :rolleyes:

Admit what? that eminem derves cred coz hes comercial POP product and he deserves the grammy more than real artists?

I did not contradict myself. I know exactly wat im talking bout.

by **Inzanity** » Aug 10th, '06, 17:15

56King wrote:Eminem didn't make hip hop played out the fans and networks did. The networks play what the fans want, and sadly they didn't want Rakim. The reason you don't hear that many rappers sayin' Eminem as one of their influences cuz half of them arent' comfortable with givin' that kind of credibility to a white person.

exactally thank u. u just spoke my mind

by **AspirinE** » Aug 10th, '06, 17:15

56King wrote:Eminem didn't make hip hop played out the fans and networks did. The networks play what the fans want, and sadly they didn't want Rakim. The reason you don't hear that many rappers sayin' Eminem as one of their influences cuz half of them arent' comfortable with givin' that kind of credibility to a white person.

agreed.

Im not agianst eminem getting awards, im not saying he didnt bring any influence to hip hop. IM questioning the value of influence and comparing them.

Edit: i did mention how fans and consumers themselves played out real hip hop and wen i was talking bout the industry.

by **neha** » Aug 11th, '06, 09:58

Good Idea! I

by **DOPE** » Aug 11th, '06, 11:13

yo Neha where you at???

anyway

Aspirine,,
man whether you call it popularity, or influence, whatever it is, (and im not like sayin Em is the best the best the best and shit just bein honest) Eminem deserves the awards he get, matter of fact,, i felt bad when he didnt get one for mockingbird, cuz them other tracks wernt up to what it was

whats this pop, commerical, underground shit

ofcourse i ain heard 50 or Em when they was underground, cuz i wasnt up in USA or shit like that,,,

but an artist when is unsigned is underground raw n shit "real artist"

when he signs a deal ,he turns "commercial"????

like you was sayin earlier D12 blew up cuz they was commerial
n Wu Tang Clan is underground n shit

look at them groups you will see the difference
its not underground or commerical, its the artist him self that matters
cuz if it was commerical all these other rappers besides the shady/aftermath n other labels wud b gettin grammies each year

n dawg im done with this man, this can go on n on Asp, you will have ur opinions ima have mine

and yeah , the industry sure has changed man, but that change is nothin bad,

by **AspirinE** » Aug 11th, '06, 13:02

Aspirine,,
man whether you call it popularity, or influence, whatever it is, (and im not like sayin Em is the best the best the best and shit just bein honest) Eminem deserves the awards he get, matter of fact,, i felt bad when he didnt get one for mockingbird, cuz them other tracks wernt up to what it was

Thats coz ur an eminem fan, obviously u could care less if AZ's album was doper at the, u could care less that "the mouse in the mask" was released in 2005 too and some songs deserved 2 grammies. And yall looking pathetic, as "fans" ... actually more like dickriders, begging for a new eminem award, the only reason u think he deserves it is coz hes ur favvoutrite rapper, on a hip hop site the opinions would be totally different.

whats this pop, commerical, underground shit

ofcourse i ain heard 50 or Em when they was underground, cuz i wasnt up in USA or shit like that,,,

but an artist when is unsigned is underground raw n shit "real artist"

when he signs a deal ,he turns "commercial"????

like you was sayin earlier D12 blew up cuz they was commerial
n Wu Tang Clan is underground n shit

What? U deniying the fact that comercialness chnages a rapper?
It does, and not in a good way, not in a good way for u as a listner.

look at them groups you will see the difference
its not underground or commerical, its the artist him self that matters
cuz if it was commerical all these other rappers besides the shady/aftermath n other labels wud b gettin grammies each year

The fuck are u talking bout?

The indie label ARE the only ones getting grammies.
Wat u telling me to look at, ur the blind one here, ur singling out ur favourite lable wich has most attetion, but the truth is a lable cant bring dope 24/7.. 2005-6 is in NO WAY aftermaths year, creating the shitttiest beefs with shitty ass rappers like 50cent and game.

n dawg im done with this man, this can go on n on Asp, you will have ur opinions ima have mine

and yeah , the industry sure has changed man, but that change is nothin bad.

yeah, thats the point of a discusion- having opinion..

LMAO nothing bad? bahhahahha watever man, keep smoking that shit really getting to your brain. [/quote]

by **DOPE** » Aug 11th, '06, 14:23

yo man, give me an example of some AZ or whatever artist's album being better, i wanna see it
cuz aint no body riding the beat like Em, he comes up with an entire new flow on the beats while others are real good rappers n shit but cant match his flow

im not just a eminem fan i listen to other artists too, n ima say the same for them , if they deserve it

beggin for an award? fuck i never vote for the awards , never bin on that site to cast my fuckin vote, that dont matter to me

and if being a fan is being a dick rider man, then everybody on this site is a dick rider, and your on this site too, so why you on a Shady site n talkin about opininons wud've been different on a hip hop site,
opinions will aways b different cuz everybody got their own "favorite" rapper , you even got your own favorite rapper thats why you got your opinions

if you dont go commercial, aint no fuckin body who will know about you or your artist

yeah shit happend when , an artist makes a sick ass debut album, and his 2nd (wack) album sells millions cuz of his commercialsm , thats when its wack but other than that...

commerialism changes a rapper in a good way, it gets him where he wanted to go , he rich now , as a listener yeah like some commmercial bullshit does come up like "Got Some Teeth" but thats when the artist makes the mistake other wise if you understand commercial rap you can hit it right

so its on the artist him self

fuck "look" again then
singlin out my favorite label? hell yeah, cuz other labels is not good, what label you talkin about apart from Def Jam ,, the rest aint shit

and you said it has the most attention, why do you think it has the most attention? cuz its bringin out dope shit

and you yourself are sayin that a label cant bring out dope shit 24/7 n then sayin its bring shit beefs? so yeah it was a bad part on aftermath n shady , shit happens
but who knows wheter the beef is fake or not? we are assuming cuz its gettin tiring n boring
"shitty ass rappers 50 and Game" ?
this statement is completey wrong, how can you say str8 up shitty ass rappers 50 n game,, you can say i dont like these artists but shitty ass?? ha thats wack n hating,,,,,,,again give me a name of a "not-shittyassrapper"

and industry changing is really nothing bad,, like the beats that are coming out now, compared to a decade ago are really better, even check out Dre's shit, Chronic 93 and Chronic 2001, beats are better,, n i dont dig those old school beats anyway, which got a single melody n some drums tappin along , that aint no beat, and apart from beats , many things have changed, Internet power n shit , more people gettin exposure to the rap game ,
fuck is you talkin about man? you stuck in the underground 80s-90's unheard, non-commerical shit

you shud join an A&R department for a non-commercial label

all you do is tell everyfan "you a dick rider"
you say every rapper which has a multi-platinum status is a "commerical shitty ass rapper"
and all those who are underground MC's or one hit wonders are doper

by **AspirinE** » Aug 11th, '06, 15:10

yo man, give me an example of some AZ or whatever artist's album being better, i wanna see it
cuz aint no body riding the beat like Em, he comes up with an entire new flow on the beats while others are real good rappers n shit but cant match his flow

right ofcourse, on eminem me trying to prove anythig is useless, go see the albusm then, go look and explore for yourself. if u dont actually know u cant say wat ur saying.

im not just a eminem fan i listen to other artists too, n ima say the same for them , if they deserve it

beggin for an award? fuck i never vote for the awards , never bin on that site to cast my fuckin vote, that dont matter to me

and if being a fan is being a dick rider man, then everybody on this site is a dick rider, and your on this site too, so why you on a Shady site n talkin about opininons wud've been different on a hip hop site,
opinions will aways b different cuz everybody got their own "favorite" rapper , you even got your own favorite rapper thats why you got your opinions

IM debating over the fact that this petition for an award is useless, and u ARE begging for an award if u support this ... if u wanna argue with me if eminem is actually good or not argue with me in another thread, im not saying hes bad and doesnt deserve awards for music, i simply explained y his influence matters nothing for the music and that the influence is in no way good.

if you dont go commercial, aint no fuckin body who will know about you or your artist

Got dayme it, thats exactly wat im saying, artists dont deserve awards for being commmecial... wat eminm is, and u wanna give eminem an achievement award for being commercial, commercial coz hes white.

yeah shit happend when , an artist makes a sick ass debut album, and his 2nd (wack) album sells millions cuz of his commercialsm , thats when its wack but other than that...

commerialism changes a rapper in a good way, it gets him where he wanted to go , he rich now , as a listener yeah like some commmercial bullshit does come up like "Got Some Teeth" but thats when the artist makes the mistake other wise if you understand commercial rap you can hit it right

An artist making money is not my concern, not even yours, u stated everything i need to say to simply prove that comercialness makes rap wack. Obies first album wasnt commercial, newither is his second one.

so its on the artist him self

fuck "look" again then
singlin out my favorite label? hell yeah, cuz other labels is not good, what label you talkin about apart from Def Jam ,, the rest aint shit

and you said it has the most attention, why do you think it has the most attention? cuz its bringin out dope shit

and you yourself are sayin that a label cant bring out dope shit 24/7 n then sayin its bring shit beefs? so yeah it was a bad part on aftermath n shady , shit happens
but who knows wheter the beef is fake or not? we are assuming cuz its gettin tiring n boring
"shitty ass rappers 50 and Game" ?
this statement is completey wrong, how can you say str8 up shitty ass rappers 50 n game,, you can say i dont like these artists but shitty ass?? ha thats wack n hating,,,,,,,again give me a name of a "not-shittyassrapper"

Game an 50 cent are average rappers that get blown up for nothing, they aint worth wat they get paid. All they rap about means nothing, its not music, its money making- they shitty ass rappers.

hating? No thats me setting my priorities straight, ive been listning to rap long enough and enthusiatically enough to see how rap developed and wat is a "worthy rapper". A good rapper is a good rapper, a fresh raper. Lets take for example Edan: white, corny looking, raps better than 50cent, game anyday ,any track. Real artist

jurrasic 5 brought an album(feedback) - wich is a million times better than 50cents g-unit, this year.

Fuck g-unit, fuck game, i feel sorry for yall devoting so much time listning to shit ass rap from shitty ass rappers and the only reason you listen to them is coz of eminem. Eminem is the reason why good rappers cant be btter than 50cent this year and why 50 cent will get more grammies than other rappers.

And for the record, i dont "hate" i discuss, something most of ya'll aint learnt to do, and u cant stand especially wen somebody abstracs from eminems nuts point of view.

and industry changing is really nothing bad,, like the beats that are coming out now, compared to a decade ago are really better, even check out Dre's shit, Chronic 93 and Chronic 2001, beats are better,, n i dont dig those old school beats anyway, which got a single melody n some drums tappin along , that aint no beat, and apart from beats , many things have changed, Internet power n shit , more people gettin exposure to the rap game ,

Right ofcourse, beats got better right, see u can only compare beats made by dr. dre. I know beats from MR.Lifs album, Gravediggaz, onyx albums that were better, HIP HOP beats...

Exposure to rap is a different thing from comercialization of rap, comercialization is exploitation by the media.

fuck is you talkin about man? you stuck in the underground 80s-90's unheard, non-commerical shit

you shud join an A&R department for a non-commercial label

too bad for me right, i must suck at nderstanding hip hop coz i can see that rappers like 50 cent, camron, paul wall, southern rap... are shit?

all you do is tell everyfan "you a dick rider"
you say every rapper which has a multi-platinum status is a "commerical shitty ass rapper"
and all those who are underground MC's or one hit wonders are doper

Right, i only listen to underground rappers right, get ur head out ur ass, u dont know wat i listen to, just coz i dont got my itunes list filled with dr.eminem and 50cent dont make me an underground fan, i like good rappers, my value is for good rap.It dont take a rocket scientist to understand that rappers from the underground with little comercial control from the lable make better music and deserve spots on awards more than rappers that played themselves out by they own laziness.

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by **Inzanity** » Aug 11th, '06, 15:15

DOPE wrote:all you do is tell everyfan "you a dick rider"
you say every rapper which has a multi-platinum status is a "commerical shitty ass rapper"
and all those who are underground MC's or one hit wonders are doper

Yo ASP Dope is right man. Let me say something here. Yes Eminem is my favorite rapper and yes I listen to more Eminem then I do any other artist because he's my favorite rapper. A person is always goin' to listen to there favorite more then they listen to the rest. Like for instence if a persons favorite rapper is Tupac they gonna listen to Tupac more then they listen to any other rapper or if they favorite rapper is Rakim they gonna listen to him more then any other artist. u get wat I'm sayin'. Now as far as Eminem being commercial well let me just say this Eminem is no different in personality then he was when he was underground. His style is no different then he was wit the SSLP. Sure the beats r different and I'll even agree that there more pop then they were then but the flow and the style are the same. Every album he released from SSLP to Encore and Even includin' D12 albums. Every single one of those albums had the serious Eminem songs that made us as fans think and really touched us in some way or another. And Every single one of those albums also had the funny, goofy and wacky Slim Shady songs that gave us the fans a chance to laugh and smile they funny and sarcastic and thats why alot of people fell in love with Eminem's music. Because Eminem has the ability to make us laugh, cry, smile, and think. Now people say that Eminem fell off and Encore sucked well let me tell those people something Eminem didn't fall off he's doin' the thing he's always done wit his albums Encore was no different from the rest of his albums he had the funny, goofy and wacky Slim Shady songs on there and the serious Eminem songs on there. Ok I'll admit mabey he wasn't as lyrically good on Encore as he was on his other albums. But wether the lyrics were good or not he was still usein' the same forumla he used on the other albums on Encore. And the only difference between him now and him when he was undergroud is that he's rappin' about different life struggles before when he was underground he was rappin' about bein' poor and strugglin' wit poverty now thats he's mainstream he's rappin' about the hardships of fame and bein' harrased by critics. But honestly he hasen't changed he still raps about the same thing he's always rapped about and thats life and what he's goin' through sometimes he's serious when raps about wat he's goin' thorugh sometimes he jokes about the situation. Either way he still raps about what he's goin' through. When he was underground he rapped about bein' poor and srtuggleing wit poverty because that's what he was goin' through at that time. Now he raps about the hardships of fame and bein' harrased by critics because thats what he's goin' through now. I mean u can't expect him to still be rapping about bein' poor and struggleing wit poverty if he still did that he would be fake becuase he no longer stuggles wit those things. So Eminem's music is as real now as it was when he was underground.

EDIT: let me say something else we ain't dick ridin' we're just bein' fan's. Fan's support there favorite artist and thats what were doin' u know dam well if some1 made a petition to get ur favorite rapper an award u'd fuckin' sign it. And I'm not just makin' this petition because Eminem's my favorite rapper I'm doin' it because I honestly believe he deserves this award. I know there are other rappers out there that deserve it as well but I really believe Eminem deserves it more then any1 else. And don't argue wit me on this I already told u y I feel this way

by **AspirinE** » Aug 11th, '06, 15:24

Yo ASP Dope is right man. Let me say something here. Yes Eminem is my favorite rapper and yes I listen to more Eminem then I do any other artist because he's my favorite rapper. A person is always goin' to listen to there favorite more then they listen to the rest. Like for instence if a persons favorite rapper is Tupac they gonna listen to Tupac more then they listen to any other rapper or if they favorite rapper is Rakim they gonna listen to him more then any other artist. u get wat I'm sayin'.

Favourite rapper- buy album.
Dicriding- "omg give eminem award" white rappers couldnt rap because eminem wasnt there... *emo mode*

Now as far as Eminem being commercial well let me just say this Eminem is no different in personality then he was when he was underground. His style is no different then he was wit the SSLP. Sure the beats r different and I'll even agree that there more pop then they were then but the flow and the style are the same. Every album he released from SSLP to Encore and Even includin' D12 albums. Every single one of those albums had the serious Eminem songs that made us as fans think and really touched us in some way or another. And Every single one of those albums also had the funny, goofy and wacky Slim Shady songs that gave us the fans a chance to laugh and smile they funny and sarcastic and thats why alot of people fell in love with Eminem's music. Because Eminem has the ability to make us laugh, cry, smile, and think. Now people say that Eminem fell off and Encore sucked well let me tell those people something Eminem didn't fall off he's doin' the thing he's always done wit his albums Encore was no different from the rest of his albums he had the funny, goofy and wacky Slim Shady songs on there and the serious Eminem songs on there. Ok I'll admit mabey he wasn't as lyrically good on Encore as he was on his other albums. But wether the lyrics were good or not he was still usein' the same forumla he used on the other albums on Encore. And the only difference between him now and him when he was undergroud is that he's rappin' about different life struggles before when he was underground he was rappin' about bein' poor and strugglin' wit poverty now thats he's mainstream he's rappin' about the hardships of fame and bein' harrased by critics. But honestly he hasen't changed he still raps about the same thing he's always rapped about and thats life and what he's goin' through sometimes he's serious when raps about wat he's goin' thorugh sometimes he jokes about the situation. Either way he still raps about what he's goin' through. When he was underground he rapped about bein' poor and srtuggleing wit poverty because that's what he was goin' through at that time. Now he raps about the hardships of fame and bein' harrased by critics because thats what he's goin' through now. I mean u can't expect him to still be rapping about bein' poor and struggleing wit poverty if he still did that he would be fake becuase he no longer stuggles wit those things. So Eminem's music is as real now as it was when he was underground.

Why are u trying to prove to me that eminem is good? i know he is, i never said he isnt. I was talking bout influence solely, i brought you live examples of how because Eminems whiteness and u concentrating on that fact and promoting him even more for it, is playing out hip hop. i need not ur fucking explanation of his albums. I could care less who ur favourite rapper is and why u want him to win an award, being a general hip hop tfan this petition of urs simply pisses me off, coz it makes absolutely no sense and encourages
wack shit to be promoted in the future, kills hip hop in other words.

I not even explain how commercialness have affected hip hop in 2000-6...
it aint all about money and how rich rappers get, in the end of the day its about music.

Music is cahnging in an even worse way.

by **Inzanity** » Aug 11th, '06, 15:36

ASP wrote:
Favourite rapper- buy album.
Dicriding- "omg give eminem award" white rappers couldnt rap because eminem wasnt there... *emo mode*

him reopening the doors for white rappers is only like 10% of the reason I want him to win the award the other 90% percent of the reason is because he fuckin' achieved more in his 7 year mainstream career span then any rapper in the history of hip hop has ever achieved. He deserves this award. Wether u think he does or not. Like I said before stop bitchin' and complaining just don't sign the petition if u don't agree wit it it's that fuckin' simple

ASP wrote:Why are u trying to prove to me that eminem is good? i know he is, i never said he isnt. I was talking bout influence solely, i brought you live examples of how because Eminems whiteness and u concentrating on that fact and promoting him even more for it, is playing out hip hop. i need not ur fucking explanation of his albums. I could care less who ur favourite rapper is and why u want him to win an award, being a general hip hop tfan this petition of urs simply pisses me off, coz it makes absolutely no sense and encourages
wack shit to be promoted in the future, kills hip hop in other words.

It makes all the sense in the world. In my opinion Eminem is more skilled then any other rapper out there and u can say that he's not and that would be ur opinion. There are a hell of alot of people that would agree wit me and there are a hell of alot of peopl who would agree wit u. So like Dope said this can go on forever. Just like u don't care who my favorite rapper I could care less about wether u sign this petition or not. Now u said ur not gonna sign good then don't sign it. No ones makin' u sign it now u already stated y u don't want to sign it so just STFU and stop arguin' wit people who agree to sign it. It's none of ur bisness who wants to sign it and who dosen't want to sign it so just stop arguin' wit people. Seriously

by **AspirinE** » Aug 11th, '06, 16:17

him reopening the doors for white rappers is only like 10% of the reason I want him to win the award the other 90% percent of the reason is because he fuckin' achieved more in his 7 year mainstream career span then any rapper in the history of hip hop has ever achieved. He deserves this award. Wether u think he does or not. Like I said before stop bitchin' and complaining just don't sign the petition if u don't agree wit it it's that fuckin' simple

Its called useless opinion, ur simply judging from fantaic side. Since ur view is fanatic and i know it is fanatic, ur petion means shit. Im not bitching, im debating since page one, you dont like it coz i have an answer to ur post, wen ur praising em.

It makes all the sense in the world. In my opinion Eminem is more skilled then any other rapper out there and u can say that he's not and that would be ur opinion. There are a hell of alot of people that would agree wit me and there are a hell of alot of peopl who would agree wit u. So like Dope said this can go on forever. Just like u don't care who my favorite rapper I could care less about wether u sign this petition or not. Now u said ur not gonna sign good then don't sign it. No ones makin' u sign it now u already stated y u don't want to sign it so just STFU and stop arguin' wit people who agree to sign it. It's none of ur bisness who wants to sign it and who dosen't want to sign it so just stop arguin' wit people. Seriously

Dont tell me to STFU.. coz telling me to STFU, wont make me stop posting in response, Were debating more than wether to sign the petition, we serving the very basic of function of a forum.

You restarted the debate wen u saw dope responding, im fine keep posting if u want, i will state my opinion or make a response to any post in this forum if i want to.

by **Inzanity** » Aug 11th, '06, 16:44

ASP wrote:Its called useless opinion, ur simply judging from fantaic side. Since ur view is fanatic and i know it is fanatic, ur petion means shit. Im not bitching, im debating since page one, you dont like it coz i have an answer to ur post, wen ur praising em.

I'm not praising Em I statin' opinion. Believing he should win a lifetime achievement award isn't praising him. I'm a fan and I support him and if I honestly believe he deserves this award then I'ma do the best I can to see to it. I'm not a fanatic. I don't only listen to Em I listen to other rappers too. I don't own every single Eminem song ever released, I don't have posters of Em on my wall, I don't like every single song Em has released, and I've never even been to an Eminem concert. I don't own the dolls, the lunch boxes, the cups, the clothes, the shoes, or any of the other Em products that are out there. All I own of the stuff that Em has put out. are the albums Infinite, SSEP, SSLP, MMLP, Devils Night, TES, D12 World and Encore and a few songs that he's done on soundtracks and mixtapes and some other stuff he recorded when he was underground. Thats all I own of his so how the fuck am i a fanaitc?

by **AspirinE** » Aug 11th, '06, 16:52

EmptyPromises wrote:
ASP wrote:Its called useless opinion, ur simply judging from fantaic side. Since ur view is fanatic and i know it is fanatic, ur petion means shit. Im not bitching, im debating since page one, you dont like it coz i have an answer to ur post, wen ur praising em.

I'm not praising Em I statin' opinion. Believing he should win a lifetime achievement award isn't praising him. I'm a fan and I support him and if I honestly believe he deserves this award then I'ma do the best I can to see to it. I'm not a fanatic. I don't only listen to Em I listen to other rappers too. I don't own every single Eminem song ever released, I don't have posters of Em on my wall, I don't like every single song Em has released, and I've never even been to an Eminem concert. I don't own the dolls, the lunch boxes, the cups, the clothes, the shoes, or any of the other Em products that are out there. All I own of the stuff that Em has put out. are the albums Infinite, SSEP, SSLP, MMLP, Devils Night, TES, D12 World and Encore and a few songs that he's done on soundtracks and mixtapes and some other stuff he recorded when he was underground. Thats all I own of his so how the fuck am i a fanaitc?

U have two acounts on an eminem forum, one of ur accounts described 30 years of eminems life in one post, and that including his family members, daughters, life and such.

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