Bible burning, cheaaaa

by **beccababe2** » Aug 31st, '06, 20:36

ASP wrote:
beccababe2 wrote:Yes they can because their is a such thing as right and wrong. Peoples concepts of that may be different but there has to be some ultimate say, that's why certain things in the Bible agree with laws in modern society.

So u dont acknowledge the bible as a factual document?

No i do, that's why i said "ulltimate say" in my argument

Right and wrong is a pact created long before the bibles, it was here in the days wen our ancestors, first came the laws and the basic commune survival standarts than came the bible.

The reason i don't believe that is because of John 1:1 so basically this argument has to end here

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

by **Tomega** » Aug 31st, '06, 21:10

ASP wrote:
beccababe2 wrote:Burning any kind of books is destuctive, but the bible. To some people (me) the bible is their life and seeing people blatantly destroy it hurts. Call me whatever but i know what i believe.

so if u grew up in ancient greece and they told u there are more than one gods and hercules walks the lands ud believe it too?

destroying religion would be the next step for man kind.

Just see for urself, the effects of religion on societies:

Fascists: religious fanatics
Muslim extrimists: religious fanatics
Protestan christians: american offence wars

Millions murdered. Coz of these books, these lies and these divercities.

i never heard ppl saying so true stuff as you ASP
you're so right..

religion is fucked

by **SkylZ** » Sep 1st, '06, 21:09

Very NICE post, ASP!!

I love it!

My whole life I'd been absolutely neutral to religion before the last year . But since then I got pretty sick of it. Every time I turn on the TV I see some christian priests everywhere: on the news, in every single talkshow.. just everywhere.. Modonna is gonna give a performance in Moscow so today there was a talkshow about it, and them idiots were sayin that they could never let it happen because of her 'immorality' and shit like that. In the news they tell us about how 'great' it is that priest are gonna go to army to 'help' people there {instead of professional shrinks that can actually help}.
I even went to sunday school 2 times. It was enough to make me feel they fed with so much bullshit, it was about to start leaking out of my ears.
And another thing that throws me in a frenzy is when they talk on the new about 'mircales'. WHAT FUCKIN MIRACLES?? That shit, that is leaking from icons?? All they do is bullshit to people and that's it

however i don't think it's a good idea to burn bible or coran. Or to hang priests and ruin churches like communists did it never made anything good. Teaching people, makin them realize what's right and what's wrong - that's the key to it. But it's just a dream cuz people are always too ignoramus, narrow minded and just dumb

by **AspirinE** » Sep 1st, '06, 21:57

SkylZ wrote:Very NICE post, ASP!! I love it!

My whole life I'd been absolutely neutral to religion before the last year . But since then I got pretty sick of it. Every time I turn on the TV I see some christian priests everywhere: on the news, in every single talkshow.. just everywhere.. Modonna is gonna give a performance in Moscow so today there was a talkshow about it, and them idiots were sayin that they could never let it happen because of her 'immorality' and shit like that. In the news they tell us about how 'great' it is that priest are gonna go to army to 'help' people there {instead of professional shrinks that can actually help}.
I even went to sunday school 2 times. It was enough to make me feel they fed with so much bullshit, it was about to start leaking out of my ears.
And another thing that throws me in a frenzy is when they talk on the new about 'mircales'. WHAT FUCKIN MIRACLES?? That shit, that is leaking from icons?? All they do is bullshit to people and that's it

however i don't think it's a good idea to burn bible or coran. Or to hang priests and ruin churches like communists did it never made anything good. Teaching people, makin them realize what's right and what's wrong - that's the key to it. But it's just a dream cuz people are always too ignoramus, narrow minded and just dumb

Thanx, and yeah i get wat ur saying, ive even seen this shit happen here, wen some movie like "the da-vinchi code" comes out. And no i dont think preists should be hanged or nothing. Im talking purely about social acceptance of these myths and fables wich people conider fact because the culture assumes the 'religious trademark' to differ from other countries.

@ dannigat

Religion makes a person daydream, it makes it easier to kill, coz the bible says that if u killsomebody they'll have an afterlife, better yet the cruel original bibles evolved to the point were god can forgive a killer (yay!). Its about mentality and will to survive. Even Mr.Stalin had aloud religion during war, why? Cause more people have the courage to die. I do realise that at that time it was most nessesary considering the horrors we faced and the artificial hype we needed. Ask yourself a question though, how much could crime drop if these basic false hopes are knocked out of peoples heads, and how much smarter and more scientifical would people be(christianity is that barier that stops us from genitic experiments and enforces some very rediculous morals on history and mans origin[evolution]

by **AspirinE** » Sep 2nd, '06, 00:12

i study the bible... and i have YET to read the part that says it's alright to kill people... as a matter of fact, i specifically remember reading the part that says "thou shall not kill."

I ment that in the sence that if you kill somebody u assume their life doesnt end there.

I studied six years in a protestant christian english shool, ive read the bible, went to sunday school everymorning and passed my bible exams. Dont assume i "dont know" this religion. My hate for religion comes from that very place, because of so many people being ignorant hypocrits.

religion makes a person daydream... ?:roll: so does boredom and marijuana...

Thats why marijuanna is illegal, and bored students fail classes.

so... a person who grew up in the ass-crack of america, joined a gang.. killed someone.. becomes an adult... finds god.. changes his life.. helps his community and tries to redeem himself from the crime he committed as a young man... he should still go to hell? god can't forgive this man for his past actions?

If god is not there to forgive this mans "mistake" is not something he can take back, the family of the persons family that will miss him more because they wont have hope to see him again. Personal guilt of the criminal will be much more severe, if every criminal realized that theres no way to redeem themselves, their actions would be more thoughthrough.

i can't believe that statement came from the same person who is against space exploration. why spend millions and billions of dollars on this research when there are people living in poor conditions all over the world?

Nasa expeditions are not stemcell research and evolution recognition. yes the posts came from the same person.

you have to seperate these holy books and the people that interpret them wrong. no where in the koran, which has a lot of the same stories and principles as the bible, does it say for people to fly planes into buildings.

i never assumed such thing, because its a fact that such things happened for profit, belief and culture is to blame.

it's just like rap music... you could hear a rhyme that you think is dissing eminem.. but someone else could hear it as not dissing him at all...

it's all a matter of interpretation.

also.. many leaders use a false interpretation of holy texts to trick society into thinking and doing whatever the leaders want them to do.

the books themselves have nothing to do with the violence in the world.. it's people who do this to other people on their own for greediness or other reasons.

I dont interprit the bible as the root of all evil, my main arguement is value of life and social acceptance of non-factual documents that are propagandised all over the world.

so.. if you feel the need to burn something, dig Stalin up and burn him. burn george bush...burn hitler... burn any person that takes these holy words and twist them to their own desire...

You either believe that the bible is 100% fact from page to page or u dont believe in it, and u have ur own perception, wich does not require a book to dictate ur belief. Eliminating the bible, u eliminate the people that blindly trust books created the book that was written to merely differ one culture in such way that it would oppose the other, some long time ago wen religion was the only reason to live.

but burning the books is dumb. they'll just make more to misinterpret.

by **Coccoa** » Sep 9th, '06, 19:33

*checks thread*

*roundhouse kicks ASP*

Mothafucka :smoking:

by **Block** » Sep 15th, '06, 04:05

your views of religion are based upon one sect (as in fanatics.) true religion and true worship of something higher than ourselves, has nothing to do with killing other religious groups. infact, the bible states to love EVERYONE as you love yourself. religious fanatics are not of God. they derive from greed and hate of something different from themselves (sounds alot like you, eh?)
you seem very angry at the mention of something higher than yourself. but, then again, so do alot of people. i myself am very religious. i go to church twice a week. No, my 'mommy' did not make me episcopalion (a form of christianity that branches off the anglican church). i made the choice myself. people have a misconstrued view of God. How is God / Jesus bad, if he tells us to love eachother? that's his greatest commandment, other than to love him. devoting your life to God, or something higher than yourself does not mean giving up on living your life. infact, if you really read and comprehend the Bible, it says to cherish your life. But to look forward to the next.

EDIT: i read your last post. your hate stems from people being hypocrites. there is alot to get confused. if they are hypocritical, they are not of God. no matter what religion they claim. You're right, religion is the reason they kill innocent men, women, and children. that's why no one should ever let their religion come between 'loving thy neighbor'. no matter what religion they are. back to hypocrites.. hypocricy was what Jesus hated the most. if you read the Bible (as you say.) and fully comprehended it, you'd know this. the pheracies (spelling?) were total hypocrites. and Jesus expounded on this and called them out on it. in on part of the Gospel, he goes into the temple where they reside, gets angry and states "you have turned my fathers house into a den of thieves." meaning they are being hypocritical by taking the money and such from believers.

Don't base your views of religion on people that claim to be 'religious' and are not of God at all. base it on real christians, the people that go to foreign countries to help give food. the ones that are out there trying to clean up the streets to make it better for the next generation of youth.

by **AspirinE** » Sep 15th, '06, 10:40

Once again, you are not getting what I'm saying completely. My hate is to the BIBLE not belief. I could care less what one believes, neither do i care what his view is.

I am AGAINST the bible being taken as a factual document. The laws of people in this reality are very much the same as the bible, the standart of good and evil has been set a long time ago, the myths written in that peace of shit cloud minds seclude people from reality. It doesn't even necessary mean your the one thats taking it too seriously, a lot of people however do, and it DOES induce cultural difference and destroy social acceptance of one another's religions. And as I've already mentioned, my hate is not only to hypocrites, theres a topic about life value that i can write u a 10 page essay about. The bigger the stronger the god, the less valuable the life of the person becomes on earth [metaphorically speaking]

Burn the bibles, burn the churches, leave the faith. I have a belief too, but my belief is my belief, I'm not gonna write a book that tells people that they have to have faith in what is written because the book it elf says its fact. [catch 22]

P.S

I read something bout you saying "you cherish your life, but look forward to next".

Ask yourself this: if you had ONE life to live, this one and only this one. would u be more afraid to die or not?

Logically I'll assume that you'll say "yes", so partially your belief in afterlife is based on this fear, just like in all humans. This fear bares a very long discussion with it: how should we react to this fear? Fear of death is mans greatest emotion, many people that have seen death but luckily parted with it live life to greater extent, because they know what they have in this live. Theres a whole psychological and issue behind this.

Can you not that there are churches everywhere brainwashing there own people in their own region, encouraging this choice of "faith" to be given by family inheritance, rather than a persons choice? Is that not pretty obvious, that religion is more like a cultural sign than religion itself. The pseudo-socialist that I am, I do not support these differences in countries based on myths and stories, especially wen all the religions have evolved and skewed during times wen people thought the earth was flat. Society is one, we as a people abide to law and only law. Your "sins" are not reversible, killing will waste your life with no plea for eternal happiness just because u ask god for forgiveness. The harshness of raw gritty realistic approach to life makes life a better place, because every man assesses his existence as more important, than living a test and then leaving to some place which is better than this.

It's all about separating ones' dream from reality.

by **Coccoa** » Sep 15th, '06, 11:01

Yeah and thats the question ASP.

How do we know the bible is all wrong? Becuz we can make babies in a tube? Becuz we can launch a thousand nuclear warheads in 10 minutes? Becuz we got 24/7 electricity, water supply and phone?

So far we came to understand (partly) HOW some things happened. We have good estimation of WHAT happened exactly 3 seconds after the creation of the universe, and most likely, HOW it happened.

But we dont know WHY it happened, or WHO did it? Is it really that impossible that a few dozens of "enlightened" people (or godblessed) wrote the world creation from the god's point of view?

by **AspirinE** » Sep 15th, '06, 11:26

I doubt you even ever read what the big bang theory is. Yet alone read the string theory, that consists of hundreds of ages.

How do YOU know that the universe isn't an everlasting loop or part of bigger universe. We haven't yet solved the relativity between space and time.

They didn't write the bible coz they were enlightened, coz they cared to include a catch 22 in it.

You and i don't know, what we should be concerned about earth only.

by **Coccoa** » Sep 15th, '06, 12:18

Well yeah if you think about that, god might be a kid with a bunch of balls. I dunno

by **shady_50_for life_420** » Nov 6th, '06, 02:17

i think its rude to burn bible. i mean i dont have a religion really but i think its rude ot do that. people really believe in that, and its wrong. just my opinion. :sweating:

by **Bren08** » Nov 6th, '06, 02:21

Has anyone here seen Dogma? with ben affleck n matt damon...
they're like , mankind got it all wrong, they were only supposed to have an idea about life n god not create whole beliefs, cus people kill over beliefs..
I've never liked the bible, I think its pointless going to mass, but Idk, I really am not so religious

by **AspirinE** » Nov 6th, '06, 10:41

I know what im using as paper to burn the next time im going to the Trodos mountains for barbecue.

by **AspirinE** » Nov 6th, '06, 17:35

burning a bible doesn't prove anything other than how desperate you are for attention

ive nothing to prove to believers, youre either wide awake in this world or ur daydreaming till ur dead.

A burnt bible = one less brainwashing tool, that in my opinion is harmless to society

Bible burning, cheaaaa

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