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Postby Curious » Jan 10th, '07, 22:38

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won't the ones who don't believe in Allah burn in hell for eternity according to the dooms day prophecies sinemm?


ah i didnt mean it

jus bout this only there untill you've paids your dues
if they deserved to be in hell it wont finish in a time..i mean theres nothing like "only there until you've paids your dues"if they went there they will stay there..
plus this believing in Allah is only for the Muslims..our religion doesnt say the others dont believe in Allah so they will rot in hell..they r not Muslim so that we cant say they will rot in hell..only if they were Muslim it would be right..but its obvious there r alot of regions n ppl r free to believe in whichever they wants..n the thing u said is not in use for others..as i can explain..


Hmm... I just checked and found a hadith and in the stuff about the day of judgement it clearly says that the ones who don't believe in Allah will burn in hell eternally... but this has probably been reinterpreted by modern Muslims, and as I understand it most city people in Turkey belong to that category :D
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Postby sinemm » Jan 10th, '07, 23:01

Curious wrote:
sinemm wrote:
won't the ones who don't believe in Allah burn in hell for eternity according to the dooms day prophecies sinemm?


ah i didnt mean it

jus bout this only there untill you've paids your dues
if they deserved to be in hell it wont finish in a time..i mean theres nothing like "only there until you've paids your dues"if they went there they will stay there..
plus this believing in Allah is only for the Muslims..our religion doesnt say the others dont believe in Allah so they will rot in hell..they r not Muslim so that we cant say they will rot in hell..only if they were Muslim it would be right..but its obvious there r alot of regions n ppl r free to believe in whichever they wants..n the thing u said is not in use for others..as i can explain..


Hmm... I just checked and found a hadith and in the stuff about the day of judgement it clearly says that the ones who don't believe in Allah will burn in hell eternally... but this has probably been reinterpreted by modern Muslims, and as I understand it most city people in Turkey belong to that category :D


well i tried to explain it as i could..but i dont like talkin bout religions at all..but islam isnt a bigoted religion..if u learn sth bout it ull see..but anyways its also not jus bout Turkey..
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Postby Curious » Jan 10th, '07, 23:05

sinemm wrote:well i tried to explain it as i could..but i dont like talkin bout religions at all..but islam isnt a bigoted religion..if u learn sth bout it ull see..but anyways its also not jus bout Turkey..


i don't think any religion is bigoted, it's the people who interpret them who may be... and i've studied islam, so i do know a fair amount about it, but not from the inside perspective of a believer and there's a huge difference between how believers interpret their religion as you said

anyway we're getting side-tracked here, the thread wasn't about islam but about hell - but thanx 4 trying to answer my question hun :flower:
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Postby sinemm » Jan 10th, '07, 23:08

Curious wrote:
sinemm wrote:well i tried to explain it as i could..but i dont like talkin bout religions at all..but islam isnt a bigoted religion..if u learn sth bout it ull see..but anyways its also not jus bout Turkey..


i don't think any religion is bigoted, it's the people who interpret them who may be... and i've studied islam, so i do know a fair amount about it, but not from the inside perspective of a believer and there's a huge difference between how believers interpret their religion as you said

anyway we're getting side-tracked here, the thread wasn't about islam but about hell - but thanx 4 trying to answer my question hun :flower:


its cool..ok anyways its np n i thnk u too bein respectful n askin wht u wondered.. :) ;)
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Postby vermin » Jan 14th, '07, 22:56

I think the Hell is a horrible place, and we really don't wanna know about that. It's easy to say some stupid ass quotes from Marx, but when we will stand in front of God, we will know what's opium and what's not. I did a lot of bad things, but I hope LORD HAVE MERCY ON ME!!! If he saw my life, he will know, I just can't found my road, and I got crazy. Now I just tryin live my life. And I don't find trouble! The world would be a better place, and hell would be empty, if everyone could do it. I don't think Hell is what we saw at the movies. there's no fire, and stuff like that. I think Hell is like what some people wanna make from the Earth. A place without friends, without girls, without love,
(without wine :shifty: )
Just sins. And every1 will realize that, if you break down every limits, and scream FUCK!! to every important thing you're not a human no more. just an animal. and those animals eats each other.
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Postby AspirinE » Jan 15th, '07, 06:10

vermin wrote:It's easy to say some stupid ass quotes from Marx, but when we will stand in front of God, we will know what's opium and what's not.


Its easy to live ur live dreaming dreaming about an afterlife, just coz ur too pussy to accept end of ur existence.
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Postby Hocky27 » Jan 15th, '07, 06:24

Kez wrote:I think it's just something Christians made up to frighten people into believing their faith.


Oh man, you so rock.
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Postby Inzanity » Jan 15th, '07, 12:54

ASP wrote:
beccababe2 wrote:^^ or the opposite poeple wont accept that ther is a possibility of consequences for their actions so they ignore the afterlife altogether..


people should face responsibilities for actions in life, not after death.


that is true but alot of people don't alot of murder's and child abuser's and other evil people get away with there crime's it's not fare but it's life which is y I believe that there is an eternal place for punishment cuz' I believe that if people don't pay in this life then they have to pay some time. If there isn't an afterlife that would suck cuz' the people who do get away with such crime's in this life would never have to pay for there crime's at all.
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Postby AspirinE » Jan 15th, '07, 13:07

EmptyPromises wrote:
ASP wrote:
beccababe2 wrote:^^ or the opposite poeple wont accept that ther is a possibility of consequences for their actions so they ignore the afterlife altogether..


people should face responsibilities for actions in life, not after death.


that is true but alot of people don't alot of murder's and child abuser's and other evil people get away with there crime's it's not fare but it's life which is y I believe that there is an eternal place for punishment cuz' I believe that if people don't pay in this life then they have to pay some time. If there isn't an afterlife that would suck cuz' the people who do get away with such crime's in this life would never have to pay for there crime's at all.


No... we must not rely on a religion for punishment. The fact that people kill is partly related to religion and belief.


If one has a greater value of life, they'll think twice before killing. Besides protestant christianity claims that any sinner can repent and be forgiven by God, which to me is truly fucked up and one more proof for absurdity in religion. You'll be surprised how many criminals are actually religious.

If it wasnt for religion a man wouldnt be able to be brainwashed into strapping himself with bombs or hijacking planes.


basically wot ur saying, sounds more like wishfull thinking, stop flying in the skys, and get back to reality.
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Postby vermin » Jan 15th, '07, 20:20

ASP wrote:
vermin wrote:It's easy to say some stupid ass quotes from Marx, but when we will stand in front of God, we will know what's opium and what's not.


Its easy to live ur live dreaming dreaming about an afterlife, just coz ur too pussy to accept end of ur existence.


I can't remember if I called you pussy after you said my grandmother is stupid. I said something to that fuckin asshole (named Marx) and you start dissin' me again. it's funny to see how you can't stand if somebody don't agree with you.
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Postby AspirinE » Jan 15th, '07, 20:25

vermin wrote:
ASP wrote:
vermin wrote:It's easy to say some stupid ass quotes from Marx, but when we will stand in front of God, we will know what's opium and what's not.


Its easy to live ur live dreaming dreaming about an afterlife, just coz ur too pussy to accept end of ur existence.


I can't remember if I called you pussy after you said my grandmother is stupid. I said something to that fuckin asshole (named Marx) and you start dissin' me again. it's funny to see how you can't stand if somebody don't agree with you.


i aint called ur grandfather stupid... go back and reread. U called communists rats... thats racist to me, coz in my passport it say U.S.S.R and my grandfathers fought for ur freedome weathe u like it or not. Watch wat u say urself.

I cant stand u being such an idiot. When u live in a fantasy and u insult a person that helped bring justice to people who were basically slaves survivng in the early industrial years (check uur history and go find u some numbers on the number of people that died coz of industrializtion). Matter of fact don't talk about shit you don't even understand. And i dont mind people not agreeing with me.. its called DEBATE. maybe someday when u wise up a bit ull learn debate urself to gain knowledge.
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Postby Curious » Jan 17th, '07, 14:42

danigantt wrote:and btw, hell isn't a place that Christians made up. The idea that there is a hell was around hundreds of years before Christianity. It just has different names.
:zipped:


dani's right, hell isn't a Christian invention - a lot of pre-Christian religions have conceptions of hell-like places where ppl go after death - Greek and Norse religion e.g.
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Postby IceAxe » Jan 22nd, '07, 04:53

sinemm wrote:
Hell is eternal but in other faiths, such as Islam you're only there untill you've paids your dues

u sure u know it well?


that's what i heard...is that the case in Islam?
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Postby BaZZ » Jan 22nd, '07, 05:07

iceaxe187 wrote:
sinemm wrote:
Hell is eternal but in other faiths, such as Islam you're only there untill you've paids your dues

u sure u know it well?


that's what i heard...is that the case in Islam?


it is if ur muslim... if someone isnt muslim (or doesnt believe in the main rules of islam), then he/she are stayin in hell forever...

ASP wrote:U called communists rats... thats racist to me, coz in my passport it say U.S.S.R and my grandfathers fought for ur freedome weathe u like it or not. Watch wat u say urself.


not being against u or anything, but ur telling him not to diss communists, while u dissed christians n muslims...etc in the other thread when u said fuck god...
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Engulfed in a feast while you starve at his feet
He toss you the least little portion of a piece
To the floor and expect you to rejoice when you eat" - Brother Ali
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Postby IceAxe » Jan 22nd, '07, 05:17

SliM_880 wrote:
iceaxe187 wrote:
sinemm wrote:
Hell is eternal but in other faiths, such as Islam you're only there untill you've paids your dues

u sure u know it well?


that's what i heard...is that the case in Islam?


it is if ur muslim... if someone isnt muslim (or doesnt believe in the main rules of islam), then he/she are stayin in hell forever...

thats what i heard
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