Hell

[AspirinE]

U called communists rats... thats racist to me, coz in my passport it say U.S.S.R and my grandfathers fought for ur freedome weathe u like it or not. Watch wat u say urself.

not being against u or anything, but ur telling him not to diss communists, while u dissed christians n muslims...etc in the other thread when u said fuck god...

well its simple as god is a fantasy, and politics and religion dont mix.

untill the muslim, the christian, and the whoeverelses god comes down from heaven, me saying "fuck god" is like dissing santa claus, which is just pure mockery of nonsense beliefs.

[BaZZ]

U called communists rats... thats racist to me, coz in my passport it say U.S.S.R and my grandfathers fought for ur freedome weathe u like it or not. Watch wat u say urself.

not being against u or anything, but ur telling him not to diss communists, while u dissed christians n muslims...etc in the other thread when u said fuck god...

well its simple as god is a fantasy, and politics and religion dont mix.

untill the muslim, the christian, and the whoeverelses god comes down from heaven, me saying "fuck god" is like dissing santa claus, which is just pure mockery of nonsense beliefs.

well to u mockin god = mocking a nonsense belief, because u dont believe in him which is fine... but to us, its an attack against on our religion...

also its very different than mockin santa claus, because ppl who believe in santa claus dont think he created them, or that he has any relationship with him... santa is just supposed to be a gift-giving person, and he was made based on some historian figure anyways...

[AspirinE]

well to u mockin god = mocking a nonsense belief, because u dont believe in him which is fine... but to us, its an attack against on our religion...

nonsese should not be propagandized, and im not gonna sensor my words just coz i ofended someones fantasy....

also its very different than mockin santa claus, because ppl who believe in santa claus dont think he created them, or that he has any relationship with him... santa is just supposed to be a gift-giving person, and he was made based on some historian figure anyways...

theres no difference in believing in santa and god or superman for that matter. Who created who is of very little relevance.

and sorry but no i dont respect religion in any way... to agree with the whole "respect the belief" thing... to me it just falls in the same category as stupidity, ignorance, denial and incompetence in social structure that leads to agression and stops people from thinking progressively.

and dont take each word too seriously. If i say "fuck god" doesnt mean im waving my fist in the sky and stomping on a bible, it passes of as a joke to me or any other atheist that just doesnt obsess over or idolize a mythic being.



P.S. -

I wish 234 and 1/2 years to anyone who actually mixes religion with ethnicity.
insulting a religion is not insulting a country. Some dedicated jews might not agree with me though, lol.

[Pen15]

and sorry but no i dont respect religion in any way... to agree with the whole "respect the belief" thing... to me it just falls in the same category as stupidity, ignorance, denial and incompetence in social structure that leads to agression and stops people from thinking progressively.

You realize not respecting someones religious views in any way is ignorant and stupid? And calling religion an incompetent part of the social structure, only emphasizes your own ignorance. Religion has for hundreds of years shaped the social structure of the world. What was the cause for America to be founded? What shaped the ancient cultures of the world? What is still perhaps the only thing in the world that can make thousands of people with nothing in common rally together under a common flag? Religion. Define your use of progressively. Because my dictionary says it's the advocation of being progressive, or in layman's terms a person or group that strive for the future. Isn't that the goal of all Religions? To strive forward until the day they receive their salvation or sign from a deity?

Religion can be twisted to be used for bad thing, everything can. Corrupt people can use it's influence to corrupt others. But that isn't the fault of the religion, it's the fault of a small group of people in the religion. Is democracy stupid, and it's supporters ignorant and incompetent in todays social structure; just because we've had corrupt presidents like Nixon?

[Hadez]

let's look at it from a different perspective:
there are many different religions who all claim to be the only true one
(i.e. Christianity, Islam...)
and if you don't believe in their God and only their God, you'll burn in hell.
so basically most ppl will go to hell even if they didn't do anything wrong.
doesn't seem fair to me tbh

good point... and from that there are two conclusions:

1. we all go to hell
2. its all bullshit

[AspirinE]

You realize not respecting someones religious views in any way is ignorant and stupid? And calling religion an incompetent part of the social structure, only emphasizes your own ignorance. Religion has for hundreds of years shaped the social structure of the world.

Also the cause for many wars, and millions of deaths. Also the reason people were burned for being witches, demons etc.

And no it is not ignorant to disrespect someones religion view. If a person makes a choice to stand against religion and sees it for the false idea that cost people lives and causes desputes in the world, i think he can safely stick to his opinion and define it as a more righteous cause.

What was the cause for America to be founded? What shaped the ancient cultures of the world? What is still perhaps the only thing in the world that can make thousands of people with nothing in common rally together under
a common flag? Religion.

All, was shaped by motivated people, the religion is but what they used as national pride. This "national pride" (religion) could easily be replaced by something else, something that actually makes sense.

Define your use of progressively. Because my dictionary says it's the advocation of being progressive, or in layman's terms a person or group that strive for the future. Isn't that the goal of all Religions? To strive forward until the day they receive their salvation or sign from a deity?

Thats arguable, religion actually devalues life on earth, changes peoples focus. In my personal opinion is a boost to crime(in the whole sense of forgiveness and afterlife ambitions). Religion has always been a foe scientific progress. People need to be educated, educated that the world is older than 6000 years, so that they are not brainwashed from childhood.

Religion can be twisted to be used for bad thing, everything can. Corrupt people can use it's influence to corrupt others.

Religion flourished only for the reason that a group of people always wanted to manipulate another group.

But that isn't the fault of the religion, it's the fault of a small group of people in the religion.

No, ofcourse not. But the people that listen to those kind of people should be retaught, as there view just becomes distorted and biased to such point where they actually start to lie to themselves.



A question to you though. Why encourage a religion that is false that might cost somebody lives and give em false hope, false hope that would replace courage?

[Pen15]

Because no one really has any proof the theological beliefs of most religions are false. Nationalism and Patriotism can cost people their lives, but would you not encourage them to an extent? Hope, even if it's unfounded, does not detract from courage. It augments it, and makes it stronger, and gives it a purpose. Hope is the only thing a majority of people have in this world, and with this hope comes the courage to live on. Much of this hope comes through belief.

[AspirinE]

Because no one really has any proof the theological beliefs of most religions are false.

False. Simple logic proves most religions false, its just that religion was created to puzzle simple minds by a catch 22

Ill bring up a simple explanation of how the world cant be 6000 years old.

God supposingly created everything and let it have a life of its own(the trees grew by themselves, the planets spin by themselves... etc etc), so how come we can see the light relfect of starts that are billions of years away from us?
The christians then started tweaking the bible as did many religions by saying its metaphoric, as soon as new evidence or real explanations are found.

Religion has traces of its beggining and it has a pattern of how everything is borrowed from everybody, all the concepts. It took a smart tribe shaman in some jungle to make up a supreme being and exploit his fellow tribe-men for common attention seeking reasons.

Nationalism and Patriotism can cost people their lives, but would you not encourage them to an extent? Hope, even if it's unfounded, does not detract from courage. It augments it, and makes it stronger, and gives it a purpose. Hope is the only thing a majority of people have in this world, and with this hope comes the courage to live on. Much of this hope comes through belief.

Once again, this is argument, i stand by the my assumption that if one was to abandon fear(religious belief) and assume that he had only one life to live he'd cherish it more, and cherish his comrades more. Courage does not nessessary come with religion... the only courage religious belief gives is to go to war against ur own concious princip
le to take a life of a brother man.


@ danigantt

Its merely absurd to to say religion has never encourage or been the reason for war.

Religion and politics have always been interlaced, the president in a sense is the king under the god of the nation, people just make their own connection to religion according to what happens in the country.
It has religion been for centuries a motivator and reasoning(scape-goat.. as u said)

And you say the bible never ordered nobody to start wars...
What about, the genocidal tenancy of the old testament, what about the evangelic end time christians in america riding jewish dick and hating the Muslims coz they wanna rebuild a temple to quicken the return of their lord?

the bible aint the only religion... one religion breeds another douzen of them, even Hitler's demented ass was searching for atlantis and believed in the viking religions.

Theres too many examples of how religion is the cause of people ignorance and boosted tolerance to death and murder.


I wouldn't mind religion myself if it wasn't so drenched into politics, i support a state separated from church. A persons mythic/unrealistic belief that has a tendency to start turmoil around the world and lead people like a flock of sheep should really just stay in ones' head. You found Jesus? keep him.

[4D]

Asp, where do you get the energy to post replies like that?

I think the argument between Asp and pen15, is 50/50 at the moment, ye should just agree to disagree, you've different beliefs simple as that, neither is gonna convince the other of otherwise.

P.s Hell doesnt` exist, not in the fire and brimstone way anyway, or the afterlife way. Maybe in the real life way, driving drunk and hitting a kid, that would be my hell!

[Pen15]

Because no one really has any proof the theological beliefs of most religions are false.

False. Simple logic proves most religions false, its just that religion was created to puzzle simple minds by a catch 22

Wrong, no simple logic can prove religions false. There is absolutely no proof disproving the existence of some omnipotent being or force that created the universe.

Ill bring up a simple explanation of how the world cant be 6000 years old.

God supposingly created everything and let it have a life of its own(the trees grew by themselves, the planets spin by themselves... etc etc), so how come we can see the light relfect of starts that are billions of years away from us?
The christians then started tweaking the bible as did many religions by saying its metaphoric, as soon as new evidence or real explanations are found.

Religion has traces of its beggining and it has a pattern of how everything is borrowed from everybody, all the concepts. It took a smart tribe shaman in some jungle to make up a supreme being and exploit his fellow tribe-men for common attention seeking reasons.

Yes, I know and it has been proven that the Earth is far older than 6000 years. But then consider who said it was created 6000 years ago, man not God. 6000 was arbitrarily created to give man some time frame to it's own existence.

Nationalism and Patriotism can cost people their lives, but would you not encourage them to an extent? Hope, even if it's unfounded, does not detract from courage. It augments it, and makes it stronger, and gives it a purpose. Hope is the only thing a majority of people have in this world, and with this hope comes the courage to live on. Much of this hope comes through belief.

Once again, this is argument, i stand by the my assumption that if one was to abandon fear(religious belief) and assume that he had only one life to live he'd cherish it more, and cherish his comrades more. Courage does not nessessary come with religion... the only courage religious belief gives is to go to war against ur own concious princip
le to take a life of a brother man.

Religion isn't fear. Religion is hope. And even if you consider it fear, the absence of fear results in the elimination of true courage. The only courage from religion is most certainly not that which transcends to war.

[AspirinE]

Religion isn't fear. Religion is hope. And even if you consider it fear, the absence of fear results in the elimination of true courage. The only courage from religion is most certainly not that which transcends to war.

"Religion isn't fear"

That statement is absurd, religion is born in fear of death. A hope that we don't have to fear death.

I'm not saying we need to get rid of fear itself, eliminating religion should in fact actually have people more focused on life, and maybe even more scared of death, thus people would value death as a more tragic event, having less people willing to kill, or go to war for the matter.

And please explain to me your point about courage gained through religion not being a stimulus to war and aggression, I'm fully willing to argue with that.

Besides, religion is fault and irrational in the first place. I don't see how it should be of any kind of influence in the first place.

[LISA]

thers hell here on earth, you pay for youre mistakes and flaws aware of or not. i dont think that its realy here on earth but i think that in some way that hell can pay you a visit, as for heaven or hell i believe that they both exist, i hope theres a heaven because life can be hellacious