Lose Yourself....Ultimate rap song?

[4D]

I know there's a lot of rappers out there, and a huge amount of great great songs. But, i`m on about perfection, has any other rap song came as close as Lose Yourself? Asp if you have a song you think is a more all round rap song, or is on the same level, please name some, I want to hear them. Another thing I think about Lose yourself, which is very important in it's impact, is the way every verse gets better as it goes on especially the last verse, the way Eminem speeds up his flow to a crescendo, it's the perfect climax to a great song.

Asp I know what you're saying, and believe it or not I agree with ya, you are protecting the old school hip-hop, the underground, the classics, the greats, all the other brilliant head bobbing rap songs we love. I`m just wondering if there's a more complete rap song, that's all.

[AspirinE]

I know there's a lot of rappers out there, and a huge amount of great great songs. But, i`m on about perfection, has any other rap song came as close as Lose Yourself? Asp if you have a song you think is a more all round rap song, or is on the same level, please name some, I want to hear them. Another thing I think about Lose yourself, which is very important in it's impact, is the way every verse gets better as it goes on especially the last verse, the way Eminem speeds up his flow to a crescendo, it's the perfect climax to a great song.

Asp I know what you're saying, and believe it or not I agree with ya, you are protecting the old school hip-hop, the underground, the classics, the greats, all the other brilliant head bobbing rap songs we love. I`m just wondering if there's a more complete rap song, that's all.

I got the same vibe from songs like:

Virtuoso - "the reaper"
Pete Rock and Cl smooth - "T.R.O.Y" and "Skins"
Gangstarr - "just to get a rep"
Rakim - "mystery(who's god)" - i know you heard that one, and i personally thing, that song is so deep that if one actually listenes to it to understand it, itll give him goosebumps.
MF Doom - songs like "accordion" .. no hooks, no samples that are to melodic... plain rap, but Doom is a rapper that many people will only understand after sometime, not because he lacks something in the songs, he's just a bit ahead of time and too far back in time all in the same.
Snoop Dog - "whats my name" i know the song aint exactly a lyrical masterpiece, but i know uite a lot of people that had been impacted by that song.. including me.
Rakim - Know the ledge, i cant find one bad thing to say about the song, and i definately cant say it didnt make me loose my mind wen i first heard it.
The only possible lack (but it isnt to me) is the quality .. as in mixing/mastering, songs that come booming from the underground, rarely have the budget needed to blet to perfection.
Redman- "how to roll a blunt", a classic party song. Anyone who actually blazed a fat blunt late at night, while listning to redmans first albums, will know what im talking about.
Big daddy kane- "set it off" or "cause i can do it right"

these are just some i can think about right now, those songs, that ill bump along side with lose yourself any time.

As many have mentioned, i don't see an "ultimate" ever happening, simply because people have their own tastes. thats what music is about. People who got into listening to hip hop at the time 8-mile came out, will see it from a whole other perspective. Plus i take into account that every year, a song can get more complex (well not with 2006'th hip hop scene, but in general) with time, its like technology, every year shit gets better.... its all ultimates every year, and thats why saying that a song like that could be rather biased, since logically theres just NO ULTIMATE.

As a listener, i can definitely say it honestly that i don't always listen to how complex something sounds, i cherish the art in optimizing a song for its needs.

[sinemm]

i think thats a great hiphops song too..as fordie says everyhting is good bout it..i have alot of friends dont listen to hip hop but all of them know this song n luv it listen to it..n that shows that an awesome song i think..n i never get bored of listenin to it..its perfect..

[4D]

Good post Asp, and I`m gonna check out those songs you mentioned, if you'd upload them would be even better, except for the Rakim and Snoop ones of course. You know how much I respect Rakim and Big Daddy Kane, and "Know The Ledge" and "The Mystery" are awesome tracks, and they both gave me goosebumps when I heard them. Others that do the same are Nas's "I Can", "Rewind" "One Mic" and "NY State Of Mind", Biggie's "Unbelievable", "Kick In The Door" and "N****s Bleed", Big Puns "Dream Shatterer", "Off Wit His Head" and "Whatta ya gonna do", "Ll Cool J's "I`m Gonna Kock You Out", Ice - T's "New Jack Hustler" and "Midnight", Dr. Dre and Eminem "Forgot About Dre", Canibus's "100 Bars" and "Channel Zero", plus many many more brilliant rap songs, I really could go on a lot longer on loads of artists.

Another thing about "Lose Yourself" is how universal it is, like Sinemm and I think Mart85 said, even our friends who would normally not like Eminem or rap at all, love that track. Athletes and soldiers use it to get them excited before battle, it's like the rap version of "Eye Of The Tiger". And Also someone mentioned the powerful message it enforces, to strike while the irons hot, snatch a chance to attain your dreams if you get the oppurtunity. All said while still being true to hip-hop.

[sinemm]

yea i also didnt listen the sing for the moment the original one some1 else sings..but i heard its kinda rock dunno not sure tho..i made friends listen to the em versıon of it..they liked it alot..they said they were expectin sth random..but no..thats good too..

[4D]

You're on about Aerosmith's "Dream On", yeah the original is a brilliant song, and "Sing For The Moment" is an awesome complete song too, that triggers an emotion about hip-hop, with great lyrics and great music. Almost on the same level as "Lose Yourself".

[sinemm]

You're on about Aerosmith's "Dream On", yeah the original is a brilliant song, and "Sing For The Moment" is an awesome complete song too, that triggers an emotion about hip-hop, with great lyrics and great music. Almost on the same level as "Lose Yourself".

yeah yeah im talkin bout it..thnx btw didnt know the name well
u got the song?can u up it 4 me?

[4D]

I used to have it, i`ll have a look!

[sinemm]

I used to have it, i`ll have a look!

aw ok..i seached for it on limewire found but now downloadin..

[4D]

Cool, cos i no longer have it. here's a great live performance of it on Mtv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6SxW_rT9uE

[sinemm]

wow thats cooolll..thanx alot for it..hes crazy awwww awesome..rockin the crowd..btw ima fuk this limewire its not dl'in it

[youngbull123]

im definatly gonna say the ultimate rap song would either be Dear Mama or Lose Yourself they both do have great flow lyrics and tell great stories yeh im def gonna agree wit lose yourself but im gonna through dear mama in their too

[mdeuce]

I know there's a lot of rappers out there, and a huge amount of great great songs. But, i`m on about perfection, has any other rap song came as close as Lose Yourself? Asp if you have a song you think is a more all round rap song, or is on the same level, please name some, I want to hear them. Another thing I think about Lose yourself, which is very important in it's impact, is the way every verse gets better as it goes on especially the last verse, the way Eminem speeds up his flow to a crescendo, it's the perfect climax to a great song.

Asp I know what you're saying, and believe it or not I agree with ya, you are protecting the old school hip-hop, the underground, the classics, the greats, all the other brilliant head bobbing rap songs we love. I`m just wondering if there's a more complete rap song, that's all.

you mentioned the story telling on the other page but he tells two stories and naturally transitions it from rabbit to himself while adding insane multis and his cadence, emotion, intonation is RIDICULOUS. there's not a single bar out of place. to think all of this is in one over commercialized radio track? that basically blew me away. if you ask me it's sometimes not recognized as much as it should because of that fact it got so much attention from critics, the public, and such.... so i agree it's one of the ultimate hip-hop songs.. but i just can't say it's THE one.

and ASP, DOPE list.
i'd also add "One Mic" -Nas and "My Melody" by Eric B and Rakim on there too.. but that's just me.

[4D]

you mentioned the story telling on the other page but he tells two stories and naturally transitions it from rabbit to himself while adding insane multis and his cadence, emotion, intonation is RIDICULOUS.

Good mention, I forgot to say that, but was of course aware of it, shit is bananas!

"One Mic" -Nas and "My Melody" by Eric B and Rakim on there too.. but that's just me

No, that's not just you, they're classics of course!

[randomghost]

first time i heard this song, i went nuts, and played it like 60 times a day, when i wake up and when i got to sleep i have to listen to the song