Virginia Tech

[joelle]

And dont repeat yourself, if u dont want to, you are making no point when you're saying that availability of guns and moral acceptance of them in society doesnt affect incidents like these.

haha well apparently I am making a point then, because I never said that.

[AspirinE]

And dont repeat yourself, if u dont want to, you are making no point when you're saying that availability of guns and moral acceptance of them in society doesnt affect incidents like these.

haha well apparently I am making a point then, because I never said that.

So you didnt say that gun laws dont affect the possibility of kids going on rampages?

All I'm saying is that people like this are sick, and stricter gun laws probably won't stop them from killing altogether.

[joelle]

So you didnt say that gun laws dont affect the possibility of kids going on rampages?

Nope, actually, I didn't. As you can see from where you quoted me. I said it wouldn't stop them from killing altogether. Which it wouldn't.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

So you didnt say that gun laws dont affect the possibility of kids going on rampages?

Nope, actually, I didn't. As you can see from where you quoted me. I said it wouldn't stop them from killing altogether. Which it wouldn't.

but it would descres it dramaticly

[joelle]

^ never said it wouldn't

[AspirinE]

So you didnt say that gun laws dont affect the possibility of kids going on rampages?

Nope, actually, I didn't. As you can see from where you quoted me. I said it wouldn't stop them from killing altogether. Which it wouldn't.

Well i think its obvious that strickting gun laws doesnt stop killing. But you did imply in that post that it shouldnt be considered as a reason for event.

[joelle]

Let me make myself clear then. Stricter gun laws would most likely lessen murder rates, because guns pretty much just make killing more convenient. However. For cases like these, where the person was clearly deranged (beyond the normal "oh you've pissed me off, here, have a bullet"), gun laws don't do much. He'd kill a person/several persons regardless, because he had the mentality to.

[AspirinE]

Let me make myself clear then. Stricter gun laws would most likely lessen murder rates, because guns pretty much just make killing more convenient. However. For cases like these, where the person was clearly deranged (beyond the normal "oh you've pissed me off, here, have a bullet"), gun laws don't do much. He'd kill a person/several persons regardless, because he had the mentality to.

Still debatable, since with no guns available easy he would have such an easy way to mow down 30 people. So lets agree to disagree, since im merely trying to get a point across as much as you are.

[joelle]

all right by me. I think we both made our points anyway.

[James R.]

Well I'll be short sweet and to the point. Stricter gun laws would make it harder for him to shoot those 50 some odd people, killing 33 of them and himself, but there's only so much you can do to prevent people from having guns, because if they REALLY want them, then they'll get them illegally like any good psycho, therefore if he had one then he would have shot the people if he wanted to do that. And the kid wasn't stupid, he was borderline brilliant so even if he didn't have a gun he could have probably blown something up and killed more people. Shit he could have mowed people down with a katana since he was walkin in and killing people in classrooms that he locked. So yeah there was no prevention of this crime. It was going to happen regardless. The laws and shit would have probably just pissed him off more.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

Well I'll be short sweet and to the point. Stricter gun laws would make it harder for him to shoot those 50 some odd people, killing 33 of them and himself, but there's only so much you can do to prevent people from having guns, because if they REALLY want them, then they'll get them illegally like any good psycho, therefore if he had one then he would have shot the people if he wanted to do that. And the kid wasn't stupid, he was borderline brilliant so even if he didn't have a gun he could have probably blown something up and killed more people. Shit he could have mowed people down with a katana since he was walkin in and killing people in classrooms that he locked. So yeah there was no prevention of this crime. It was going to happen regardless. The laws and shit would have probably just pissed him off more.

asp has already took away the punch of most your points but

So yeah there was no prevention of this crime. It was going to happen regardless. The laws and shit would have probably just pissed him off more.

yes it could have been prevented, firstly if he never had a gun he wouldnt have been able to kill as many people, if he choose a katana as you said, im pretty sure a classroom and teachers could have overpowered him easily



and yeh if you REALLY want them you can get them, but the point is to make them less available it makes it much more harder to cause a massacre like this

[James R.]

Yeah it may make it harder, but not impossible. My only point is there's no reason in everyone gettin all worked up about it when it's very obvious that this was going to happen in one way, shape, or form.

And about the katana 1.) that was a joke and 2.) Depending on his training with the weapon there's a chance no one would have overpowered him... But again, it was a joke, so it's w/e

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

Yeah it may make it harder, but not impossible. My only point is there's no reason in everyone gettin all worked up about it when it's very obvious that this was going to happen in one way, shape, or form.

And about the katana 1.) that was a joke and 2.) Depending on his training with the weapon there's a chance no one would have overpowered him... But again, it was a joke, so it's w/e

yeh i know it was a joke it was just an example, like if he couldnt get his hands on a gun to do this there isnt much many more weopons that cant be overpowered

[$0 R3@L]

guns are always gonna be available,if not via a legal source theres always the underground market.I can walk into any bar in birmingham,uk and approach the right person and buy a gun.They do need to tighten the gun laws if not just to look as though they care and want to stop such attacks but it aint gonna stop those that are 100% set on killing someone.

[$0 R3@L]

The whole point on stricting the gun laws is that is decreases the possibility of this happening. Of course it's still gonna happen, but the possibility wouldn't be as high.

ill say it again,if someone is that set on killing someone there gonna whether they stricten the laws or not.I personally agree with them doing it but it doesnt mean that the deaths via guns is gonna drop at all. Look at when they banned beer,that just drove the market underground making it more dangerous mixing with seedy peeps.