9-11 by the american government.

[joelle]

I was actually referring to Dylan Avery, who made "Loose Change" with a few of his friends, who I believed was in college. I could be wrong..possibly because I find it hard to believe anyone older than that is so dense.
Either way, that detail is trivial and has nothing to do whatsoever with my point, which I notice you've completely ignored.

[joelle]

just in case someone else accuses me randomly of not doing research..
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
These, btw, for those less familiar of such, are called facts. Not theories.

[Hadez]

did you not watch the Alex Jones video? that was made up with facts that they even show in the video. it was not some huge theory.

[joelle]

and Alex Jones is not dead because.....?

[Hadez]

and Alex Jones is not dead because.....?

becuz there are people who dont believe him. if the whole country believed the video and had beliefs against the president, then yes, he would be dead. assuming the video is actually true.

[joelle]

..You're honestly telling me that the government has no problem killing thousands of ITS OWN INNOCENT CITIZENS..for oil or nationalism or whatever other stupid reason..but they'd even RISK the whole operation going to hell because of one guy and one video? You're telling me the entire government and military had no problem pulling off 9-11, but they're going to sit and chill while these conspiracies become hugely popular before killing the guy responsible? They're going to wait until the whole country rallies against the government and the president before killing the guy and getting rid of the video? Cuz that wouldn't be shady, right? That's bullshit. And you must know that's bullshit.

[Hadez]

..You're honestly telling me that the government has no problem killing thousands of ITS OWN INNOCENT CITIZENS..for oil or nationalism or whatever other stupid reason..but they'd even RISK the whole operation going to hell because of one guy and one video? You're telling me the entire government and military had no problem pulling off 9-11, but they're going to sit and chill while these conspiracies become hugely popular before killing the guy responsible? They're going to wait until the whole country rallies against the government and the president before killing the guy and getting rid of the video? Cuz that wouldn't be shady, right? That's bullshit. And you must know that's bullshit.

did you not read it right. NOT EVERYBODY BELIEVES HIM!!!! if people dont believe him them he is not a threat to their alleged plan.

[joelle]

Oh, so now the government has psychic powers and can foresee who will believe him or not?
You're not reading what I'm saying. They wouldn't sit around and wait till everyone believed him. They'd get rid of him right away and eliminate the risk of everyone believing him. They wouldn't put the entire controlled plan in jeopardy over one guy and the threat of the whole thing collapsing.
Honestly, you must know I'm making good points. You don't even have an opinion one way or another. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing because, for whatever reason, you have a problem with me..maybe because I don't sugarcoat everything I say? Well, whatever. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with someone who isn't making any substantial points and who doesn't even believe in what they're arguing..

[$0 R3@L]

9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M

^^^watch that and be sure to watch the following parts.

I see know reason to not consider there evidence joelle...why not? because there young and aint wearing a suit and tie? thats bullshit.Its like the foolish people who are spoon fed news by newsreaders in suits to make us all gaze at them in some sort of amazment of there 'greatest'

Anyway,put loose change aside for the moment.Lets consider sites such as 911truth.com which was formed by the families and friends of those who actually died on 911....are we to consider them 'fucking dumbasses' ?

or Alex Jones who has done many years of research concerning the 911 events and genral corruption within the government.

The people over at Popular Mechanics are mearly doing goverment officials a favour by trying to make all these questions seem like crazy talk and make the people who are asking the questions as some sort of traitor.

Joelle i personally think your a fucking dumbass for believing that goverments are not capable of curruption,however big the scale.We only have to look back in the last 100 years of modern history for various examples of corruption within goverment leaders in power....reichstag........jfk assanation.

These Popular Mechanics try to fool us all into a false sense of there knowledge,from the suits to the companies name.Its like the washing powder adverts,they add the 'science professor' looking guy to make there product seem more believable.

How do you explain the fact of the vanashing video security camera tapes from buildings surrounding the pentagon? how fbi agents approached all local buisness' and converscated the tapes and swore the company to silence.

These, btw, for those less familiar of such, are called facts. Not theories.

lol and what makes them any less 'theorie' ?

[joelle]

I see know reason to not consider there evidence joelle...why not? because there young and aint wearing a suit and tie? thats bullshit.Its like the foolish people who are spoon fed news by newsreaders in suits to make us all gaze at them in some sort of amazment of there 'greatest'

Who says I haven't? I see no reason to accuse me of ignorance just becuase I don't believe in this conspiracy. Yet you assume that because I disagree, I must be completely ignoring their "evidence." Ok.

Anyway,put loose change aside for the moment.Lets consider sites such as 911truth.com which was formed by the families and friends of those who actually died on 911....are we to consider them 'fucking dumbasses' ?

Just because they've lost a family member (which I have all the sympathy for in the world, btw) does not mean they are right.

or Alex Jones who has done many years of research concerning the 911 events and genral corruption within the government.

That doesn't make him right, either. I'll go back to my previous question. Why is he alive?

The people over at Popular Mechanics are mearly doing goverment officials a favour by trying to make all these questions seem like crazy talk and make the people who are asking the questions as some sort of traitor.

And you know this for a fact? They've said nothing about being traitorous.

Joelle i personally think your a fucking dumbass for believing that goverments are not capable of curruption,however big the scale.We only have to look back in the last 100 years of modern history for various examples of corruption within goverment leaders in power....reichstag........jfk assanation.

I know corruption exists. I trust the government about as far as I could throw it. Yes, the entire government. I hate Bush. But these things do not mean they're capable of anything. Do I believe the entire Senate, Congress, military, etc etc is capable of murdering thousands of innocent people, without one person complaining, without one person having ethics? No. Even if I did, I'll go back to my question again. If they're capable of this, why aren't they capable of killing Alex Jones, or any other conspiracy buff?

These Popular Mechanics try to fool us all into a false sense of there knowledge,from the suits to the companies name.Its like the washing powder adverts,they add the 'science professor' looking guy to make there product seem more believable.

You think I believe them because of their name? I believe them because they have forensic evidence, 70+ experts, and a whole lot of common sense.

How do you explain the fact of the vanashing video security camera tapes from buildings surrounding the pentagon? how fbi agents approached all local buisness' and converscated the tapes and swore the company to silence.

And how..do you..explain..the fact that..Alex Jones..is alive?

[Hadez]

Oh, so now the government has psychic powers and can foresee who will believe him or not?
You're not reading what I'm saying. They wouldn't sit around and wait till everyone believed him. They'd get rid of him right away and eliminate the risk of everyone believing him. They wouldn't put the entire controlled plan in jeopardy over one guy and the threat of the whole thing collapsing.
Honestly, you must know I'm making good points. You don't even have an opinion one way or another. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing because, for whatever reason, you have a problem with me..maybe because I don't sugarcoat everything I say? Well, whatever. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with someone who isn't making any substantial points and who doesn't even believe in what they're arguing..

look, i dont know who you are. Miss Bitch? is that it? ok got it. the reason i am debating this with you is becuz you are not being open minded about it. im not trying to convince you to believe it. i just think you need to understand both sides and where they are comming from before you call people a dumbass when your comments are dumbass remarks. i understand your point. but you obviously are too narrow minded to approach the issue in a mature fashion. you did not watch the Alex Jones video, you purposely side stepped that subject when i asked you if you watched it. therefore you dont know wut you are debating against. so aimlessly shooting down the video and calling all the facts that you didnt watch just "theories" is immature and ignorant on your part.

[$0 R3@L]

I'll go back to my previous question. Why is he alive?

wait a minute.....lemme get this straight.

Your saying because the people who are doubting the events that took place on 911 are all alive and campaigning till this very day,for that reason it must mean the goverment have nothing to hide?

you do realise after a poll was taken place within new york during 2006 showed 60% of the new york citizens believe the american government HAD involvment in the events that took place on 911....so what? the government meant to assinate an entire city of people who have questions?

Just because they've lost a family member (which I have all the sympathy for in the world, btw) does not mean they are right.

no and i never said they was.However it seems like your suggesting people who question 911 events are all crazy dumbasses who sit in there basement with a tin foil hat on....NO.Everyday normal people are questioning its government and are demanding answers.

You think I believe them because of their name? I believe them because they have forensic evidence, 70+ experts, and a whole lot of common sense.

and so does Alex Jones.

[joelle]

Your saying because the people who are doubting the events that took place on 911 are all alive and campaigning till this very day,for that reason it must mean the goverment have nothing to hide?

you do realise after a poll was taken place within new york during 2006 showed 60% of the new york citizens believe the american government HAD involvment in the events that took place on 911....so what? the government meant to assinate an entire city of people who have questions?

No....I'm saying they would kill someone actively arising questions. Which they would. That video would have been deleted within moments, or days, of its creation, and the video-maker would have been silenced. But hey, since apparently the government has no morals, who's to say they can't kill all of New York City?

look, i dont know who you are. Miss Bitch? is that it? ok got it. the reason i am debating this with you is becuz you are not being open minded about it. im not trying to convince you to believe it. i just think you need to understand both sides and where they are comming from before you call people a dumbass when your comments are dumbass remarks. i understand your point. but you obviously are too narrow minded to approach the issue in a mature fashion. you did not watch the Alex Jones video, you purposely side stepped that subject when i asked you if you watched it. therefore you dont know wut you are debating against. so aimlessly shooting down the video and calling all the facts that you didnt watch just "theories" is immature and ignorant on your part.

I HAD approached the conspiracies with an open mind, until I realized that, hey, why are all these people still alive? Why wouldn't the government silence them? You're being close minded about that small fact. No, I didn't watch it, because my internet cuts off at ten and is shit anyways and I don't feel like waiting for some long-ass video to load when my opinion is formed by the fact the video-maker is still alive. But I don't need to explain that to you. And you're right, you don't know who I am, you know absolutely nothing about me, and I know absolutely nothing about you, but I don't call you out on every post you make just because you may not be playing nice.
I'm going to end my contribution to this thread right now, because it's going nowhere. It's as pointless as arguing about abortion. The way I see it, we're being spoon-fed information from both sides. It's just a matter of choosing which one tastes better. It's pathetic to argue over something that none of us can ever prove. We may never know, for a fact, if 9-11 was a conspiracy. But I'm going to stick with the belief that it wasn't. You can believe what you want. But until Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, or any other conspiracy junkie dies in some freak accident, I'm going to have my severe doubts.

[$0 R3@L]

No....I'm saying they would kill someone actively arising questions. Which they would. That video would have been deleted within moments, or days, of its creation, and the video-maker would have been silenced. But hey, since apparently the government has no morals, who's to say they can't kill all of New York City?

you do releaise there are hundreds if not thousands of groups who continously question 911,its gonna be a bit obvious that anyone who is involved in such groups suddenly dies come on use some of that common sense Joelle.

Btw you have watched the Alex Jones video? Cause if not theres no point debating having only heard 50% of evidence.Loose change isnt really a good basis in which to base and place alllll documentaries about 911 events.

my opinion is formed by the fact the video-maker is still alive

You a person and all of us has the right of an opinion but damn to base your whole beliefs on that one piece of rather hollow point is silly.

Whether alive or not it does not hide the facts that are there for us all to see.

[$0 R3@L]

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