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yo asp : trotsky >>> stalin

Postby Nu Syd » Jun 4th, '07, 06:42

Part 1 on why Stalin was a phony and comparable to Hitler. ( yes Hitler,both are very very similar )


hahah aye,i gota do this quick coz i gota go back to class soon,i was talking about this in modern history,i even got it recorded on my mp3,the conversation,that Russian Dude Allan in my class,i said,"Stalin didn't kill 40mill,thats over exaggerated", Allan and the teacher said " the Russian government even acknowledge Stalin killed an estimated 50million" PLUS i seen videos of Russian films Stalin ordered to be made,of him and Lenin organizing the revolution hahahaha, we all know Trotsky was the one who did it all,and it was said Stalin was at a party while Trotsky was winning the civil war ( Stalin tried to take full credit of this,killed everyone who knew the truth,every commander who was involved with the Red Army ).

Now,those films were latter edited after the truth got out,they put people to stand in front of Stalins character everywhere he was and removed him from the films about the revolution, this really is funny,Stalin is a joke man i laugh at hes name now.

The Main reason i think you are a Stalinist is because you went to high school in Russia,Allan , told me in Russia ( i got this on mp3 to ),they don't learn about Trotsky in Russia yet,their history books are STILL NOT updated,so Trotsky is never even mentioned over there, and it will take some time before the true gets out,Stalin changed History,but most people already know its all load of bullshit,purely coz Russians at the time didn't want to believe Stalin was a clueless murderer. Lenin himself ordered Trotsky to get rid of Stalin,but Trotsky didn't do it as he didn't see Stalin as a real rival,that was hes down fall,but Trotsky is 5 million times the intellect of Stalin,you cant deny that,but its true that Lenin ruined hes plan and made a huge stuff up by skipping a stage that was vital in Marxism,Stalin did industrialize but i think under Trotsky it would have been better and more efficient,Stalin sending all those scientists and generals to death camps,then latter needing them was stupid to.

Trotsky is probably the greatest Russian off all time,or one of them at least,its sad to know history is not yet 100% rewritten.

shit there was a shit load more info i had that makes Stalin look like the fruit cake he really was,ill post it when i remember

Trotskyists stand up :smoking:

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Re: yo asp : trotsky >>> stalin

Postby AspirinE » Jun 4th, '07, 10:03

"Stalin didn't kill 40mill,thats over exaggerated", Allan and the teacher said " the Russian government even acknowledge Stalin killed an estimated 50million"

The russian goverment let out notes about purges and and the stats from gulags the number is no where near 50 million, its 600 000 + estemimation from 3rd party sources.

PLUS i seen videos of Russian films Stalin ordered to be made,of him and Lenin organizing the revolution hahahaha, we all know Trotsky was the one who did it all,
Have u even seen these films? Go watch em. Stalin is given a role in the film, and obviously after the fall out with trosty he wouldnt portray him as good. Stalin was master of propaganda, propaganda that was needed.

and it was said Stalin was at a party while Trotsky was winning the civil war ( Stalin tried to take full credit of this,killed everyone who knew the truth,every commander who was involved with the Red Army ).

Stalin was at a party huh, and u know from who? let me guess.. some bbc documentary ... lol.
Stalin didnt take credit for the revolution, stalin got rid of opposition amongst his class, this opposition could take the whole down with its quarrals. Not a nice thing to but its deemed such was politics in the wiler times.
Now,those films were latter edited after the truth got out,they put people to stand in front of Stalins character everywhere he was and removed him from the films about the revolution, this really is funny,Stalin is a joke man i laugh at hes name now.

Chrustchieve started a boycott on stalin, thats why stalin was cut out from media, its not because of "films about revolution". Chrustchiev is the same idiot that almost started world war 3 and started fucking up the soviet economics.

The Main reason i think you are a Stalinist is because you went to high school in Russia

I went to an english highschool, that uses the english system. I was taught stalin was ruthless, murderous... yada yada.

,Allan , told me in Russia( i got this on mp3 to ),they don't learn about Trotsky in Russia yet,their history books are STILL NOT updated

Allan is telling you this in australia.. How the fuck would he know wats updated. My opinion about stalin and trostky depends on their achievements. And the history book is full of more lies than the television. (the victor's write the history)


,so Trotsky is never even mentioned over there, and it will take some time before the true gets out,Stalin changed History,but most people already know its all load of bullshit,purely coz Russians at the time didn't want to believe Stalin was a clueless murderer.

Congratulations u have been successfully braiwashed. Stalin is no less guilty then any other government in this world. The CIA sponsored murders of millions, killed elected candidates, figures that "might" oppoze them ... etc.. But You don't here that coz once again, most have a biased. view.

Read up ur shit first.


Lenin himself ordered Trotsky to get rid of Stalin,but Trotsky didn't do it as he didn't see Stalin as a real rival,that was hes down fall,

Didnt see him as threat but was constantly squeeling like a bitch to lenin. Stalin didnt obey comands for lenin, while lenin was on his med treatment as he was at that time "off work". Trotsky had his chance.


but Trotsky is 5 million times the intellect of Stalin,you cant deny that,but its true that Lenin ruined hes plan and made a huge stuff up by skipping a stage that was vital in Marxism

Trosky ever doubled the population? Trotsky ever industrialize a nation 4 times the size of USA? .. umm nope.

,Stalin did industrialize but i think under Trotsky it would have been better and more efficient,Stalin sending all those scientists and generals to death camps,then latter needing them was stupid to.

There were no "death camps" in soviet union, stalin used pressure on scientists during war by isolating them, Harsh but those scientist by their suffering saved millions of lives. How do u know if trostky would do it more efficiently. So far every soviet-anti-stalinist had only made economics in a socialist republic worse.


Trotsky is probably the greatest Russian off all time,or one of them at least,its sad to know history is not yet 100% rewritten.

There too many great russians to say that one of them is the best. Lenin however created a new force in the workers class, effected the subject of racism and modernday slavery. I personally respect him most even regardless my political agenda.

shit there was a shit load more info i had that makes Stalin look like the fruit cake he really was,ill post it when i remember

Umm more bbc documentaries? I bet the BBC documentaries will also tell u that that allies won the second world war... even though we killed 8/10 of every german.


:b: Talk facts not this dumb shit u posting .
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Re: yo asp : trotsky >>> stalin

Postby Nu Syd » Jun 4th, '07, 10:26

haha well,nothing in here is "dumb shit" ,if we go by and against this info,we can also say Hitler was a hero and wasent crazy and was in the right,matter of debate & opinion,its my research against your info source,your source being your historian room mate against my Modren history teacher ( lol ),nothing is actuall fact in ultimate debate from both sides,sources vs sources,and in saying that,i have read,heard nothing positive that outweights the negatives of Stalins consolidation to power,again,souces,but i have not seen any souces,videos,sites etc that have Stalin as you portray him to be.

I went to an english highschool, that uses the english system. I was taught stalin was ruthless, murderous... yada yada.


Interesting,ill get back at you once i read that site on Stalin You gave me. :b:
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Re: yo asp : trotsky >>> stalin

Postby AspirinE » Jun 4th, '07, 10:59

haha well,nothing in here is "dumb shit" ,if we go by and against this info,we can also say Hitler was a hero and wasent crazy and was in the right

Hitler was both and a hero and was crazy, hitler actually had death camps and his ideology was based on hate not equality. Infact Stalin and hitler have nothing in common but being cults of personalities and authoritarians.
,matter of debate & opinion,its my research against your info source,your source being your historian room mate against my Modren history teacher

My opinion is not coming from roomates or teachers its coming from my mind and the books i read.

( lol ),nothing is actuall fact in ultimate debate from both sides,sources vs sources,and in saying that,i have read,heard nothing positive that outweights the negatives of Stalins consolidation to power,again,souces,but i have not seen any souces,videos,sites etc that have Stalin as you portray him to be.

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html

detailed mythbuster book by Ludo Martens.
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Re: yo asp : trotsky >>> stalin

Postby 4D » Jun 9th, '07, 16:54

Must check out that book Asp, cheers!
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