God Damn!

[AspirinE]

asp, wtf are you saying... mart's saying how much eminem impacted the world, not the hip hop community.. how everyone thought he was a new genre rather than hip hop..... why did they think that? maybe cause he was white maybe cause he was different. Idk but that's what really happened and you can't deny that.. people who hated rap and shit liked eminem sometimes.

And what did eminem do to the world? make them by his album? ... please, i beg of u.

If u want to contribute to the world u introduce something new or u bring about a cause, positive impact on ur genre.. etc.

Wats ur point about hating rap before em.

I hated rap before i heard snoop dogg.. and ... ?... i never listend to rock till i heard "Johny B good" in "back to future" and... ... it happens all the time, it can even be a shitty rapper, even i thought snoop dogg was GOAT rapper, when i was like 12-13.. lol. thats not a definitive arguement for impact.

Y'all fucked up for real. I seen like a billion topics about how Eminem did this and that to hip hop and how he is like jesus himself in the music world and ive seen almost no one even paying respect to hip hop artists in general were its due. Seriously. Im not sayin all people on eminem boards are like this but the 80% are definitely pathetic. And dumb groupies should stop writing memoir's on eminem's impact on hip hop, they are an embarrassment to the music many love.

[Tash8]

okay asp, whatever you say.... almost in everyones eyes, eminem did make an impact, and it's a fact i just don't see how you dont see that

[mart85]

yeah, like Tash said... I don't feel like starting a debate, but you seem to always talk about the pop crowd etc.. and yeah that's true that he appeals to a pop crowd, but it wasn't my point... I was talking about real serious music fans, people who like real good music in general... not pop music... Eminem had that something that appealed to "regular" people, young or old... and I read many articles by >>>serious<<< music critics/journalists, like people over 30 years old, analyzing Eminem's albums like they did for some Beatles albums, or some Bob Dylan albums, and saying they are masterpiece... it doesn't matter if they're not hip hop fans, they gave their opinion based on their point of views... like I said many times, it doesn't make him a better rapper but it's still valuable

to be honest, I don't even remember what we're arguing about lol...

but the thing you said about the massacre, I don't think any serious critic/journalist said the massacre was a masterpiece I don't think we have the same definition of "serious music critics" lol

[shady_aftermathzz]

yeah im lil' confused too, wtf is the arguement all about neways? asp tryna' say em did nothing to hip hop genre? 80% of us are pathetic groupies for saying we like em's muzic? whats ur point man? you run the trshady n' ur talking shits like em did nothing n' he means nothing to the genre? i aint arguing or nothing but ima' co-sign with tash here, em did much impact on every listeners either hip hop, pop or rock/ i aint die-hard fan of em but i put him on ma top 5 list easily/ if he aint done impact then why do people of all age or all genre lovers at least know him and also like his muzic? its ur opinion how u think n' take it, i got mine/ n' no sir, saying em did impact on hip hop n' rap world, doesnt make me pathetic, uh uhh , it doesnt, no way man! i seen lots of kids starting listening to raps, only coz they knew em and later when they get to know other rappers like n' they get told off like groupies n' homo for liking em's muzic n' they start talking shits on em's muzic and even worse, they start listening raps coz' of nelly, r. kelly or even cassidy, i just hope ur not one of them/ im out of this arguement or discussion whateva'/ i be just saying, dont bannn me please/ *leaves and please dont quote ma every sentence, i dont like it/ yr right in ur place, im right in mine, lets keep it that way/

no beefs
peace

[AspirinE]

I was talking about real serious music fans, people who like real good music in general... not pop music... Eminem had that something that appealed to "regular" people, young or old... and I read many articles by >>>serious<<< music critics/journalists, like people over 30 years old, analyzing Eminem's albums like they did for some Beatles albums, or some Bob Dylan albums, and saying they are masterpiece... it doesn't matter if they're not hip hop fans, they gave their opinion based on their point of views... like I said many times, it doesn't make him a better rapper but it's still valuable

Coz eminem is the first rapper to become a pop idol on MTV, thats why "they" are saying that, if it was the same shit from a black rapper, he wouldnt get shit. There have been rappers on eminems level, but looky here... no they dont get that much attention.

but the thing you said about the massacre, I don't think any serious critic/journalist said the massacre was a masterpiece I don't think we have the same definition of "serious music critics" lol

There were quite a few, and i could say the same thing for eminem... about serious critics. Criticts give maddona good reviews too but she is a music stealing bitch that cant sing for shit.


@ tash. define impact and tell me what kind of impact aside from the same impact britney had on her millions of minions. I dont see it because ive been listning to hip hop for 10 years and eminem hasnt changed anything in hip hop music, matter of fact after 2003(the golden year of eminem) hip hop just got worse and underground that stays true to hip hop got better and they sound nothing alike.

[AspirinE]

yeah im lil' confused too, wtf is the arguement all about neways? asp tryna' say em did nothing to hip hop genre? 80% of us are pathetic groupies for saying we like em's muzic? whats ur point man? you run the trshady n' ur talking shits like em did nothing n' he means nothing to the genre?

80% of this board are groupies. I dont have to proove that, the threads speak for themselves. I didnt say eminem did nothing, im saying its not monumental or groundbreaking.

i aint arguing or nothing but ima' co-sign with tash here, em did much impact on every listeners either hip hop, pop or rock/ i aint die-hard fan of em but i put him on ma top 5 list easily/ if he aint done impact then why do people of all age or all genre lovers at least know him and also like his muzic?

because he is on MTV.

its ur opinion how u think n' take it, i got mine/ n' no sir, saying em did impact on hip hop n' rap world, doesnt make me pathetic, uh uhh , it doesnt, no way man! i seen lots of kids starting listening to raps, only coz they knew em and later when they get to know other rappers like n' they get told off like groupies n' homo for liking em's muzic n' they start talking shits on em's muzic and even worse, they start listening raps coz' of nelly, r. kelly or even cassidy, i just hope ur not one of them/ im out of this arguement or discussion whateva'/ i be just saying, dont bannn me please/ *leaves and please dont quote ma every sentence, i dont like it/ yr right in ur place, im right in mine, lets keep it that way/

Umm, can u make a little effort to say wat ur saying more organized?

Im not "talking shitz" about eminems music, i wouldnt be on this site if i did, but there is a lot of biased exageration regarding that music. and im saying it how i feel it is.

Its in no way bad to start to listen to hip hop coz of eminems music, but its in no way definitive either, its like learning, u start from something accessible then u elivate learning the more complex issues.

I wouldnt quote ur every sentence if you didnt type like a 3 year old.

[shady_aftermathzz]

idk what tash meant when he said impact but i was referring as an impact on all muzic lovers who started listening to hip hop, after they listened to em, he introduced hip hop n' rap to millions of ppl' around the world, thats impact, aint it? ur right about saying em didnt change nothing on hip hop itself, there are many rappers at his level n' even better than him, a lot, well okey i accept in cases hez overrated cuz' hez white but still he did make millions listen to rap n' know about hip hop world/ i donno' why am i even bothering wasting time in this topic/ neways bai bai naw
peace

[shady_aftermathzz]

You win , I lost

[Tash8]

asp 2pac also made a big impact, there's a bunch of artists who made a huge impact, i'm not disagreeing but we're syaing eminem did also made a huge impact, how can you not see that?

[$0 R3@L]

Eminems success only came about from the 'white' audience he attracted.Fact is had he been a black artist with the same voice,same raps,same style he would have sold half.Even he admits this himself. Therefore i dont think eminem is or was 'sensational' 'earth shattering' , he simply came along at the right time and rode the media hype train a little.

80% of eminem fans dont even like any other type of hip hop,unless it has something to do with eminem, for example 50 cent,cashis.If it features eminem only then do they take note.Therefore to have this people try telling us 'OMG EMINEM IS THE KING OF RAP !!!1!!111' is a hollow statement to make.Having not heard true hip-hop how are they in the position to pass judgement when the only hip hop they pay attention to is the commericial side of it aka top forty.

And for you all to state eminem is 'special' because he does appeal to pop and non hip hop fans is more a negative then it is a positive,are we suggesting em is a sellout? and the fact he does openly market his music to the top forty spotty teen audience does no good for himself or hip hop in general.

[AspirinE]

idk what tash meant when he said impact but i was referring as an impact on all muzic lovers who started listening to hip hop, after they listened to em, he introduced hip hop n' rap to millions of ppl' around the world, thats impact, aint it?

You dont get what im saying, millions of people listning is not good impact wen it doesnt influence the music well, he did about as much impact wise as britney did.

ur right about saying em didnt change nothing on hip hop itself, there are many rappers at his level n' even better than him, a lot, well okey i accept in cases hez overrated cuz' hez white but still he did make millions listen to rap n' know about hip hop world

umm ok, millions .. omg?! .. These millions need to grow up and not spoil the fucking music, now these millions are listning to lil wayne, 50 cent, game and dipset.

Typical pop listeners, and eminem is not using his wide audience to perfect hip hop, he just selfishly eats of it and sings shittier artists every year.

asp 2pac also made a big impact, there's a bunch of artists who made a huge impact, i'm not disagreeing but we're syaing eminem did also made a huge impact, how can you not see that?

2pac didnt attract the audience that liked to listen to fart sounds and disses to christina aguellerra.

[xxjmx12]

asp 2pac also made a big impact, there's a bunch of artists who made a huge impact, i'm not disagreeing but we're syaing eminem did also made a huge impact, how can you not see that?

ya em would a made a impact even if he wasn't on mtv maybe not as big but still.



props for the read

[mart85]

asp 2pac also made a big impact, there's a bunch of artists who made a huge impact, i'm not disagreeing but we're syaing eminem did also made a huge impact, how can you not see that?

yeah I agree... but what you said is true ASP, I think we all understand and agree with that, but... you still talk about pop fans, and that wasn't my point... anyways, I don't think anybody will make you change your mind lol...

but for those interested, here's an article about Eminem, written like in 2002... it's a good read IMO, it's an example of what I was talking about, serious critics talking about the impact Eminem had on the music industry, and even comparing him to Bob Dylan lol... It's from the "White Noise" book (or something liek that, I don't remember the exact name)

http://www.observer.com/node/46081

[AspirinE]

yeah I agree... but what you said is true ASP, I think we all understand and agree with that, but... you still talk about pop fans, and that wasn't my point... anyways, I don't think anybody will make you change your mind lol...

I hate to bring this to u, but music fans listened to hip hop before people knew who eminem was, the only reason he gets more mentions and "omz its a first white rapper" its because he got into mainstream, right in the high spot.

[shady_aftermathzz]

well, i guess we are looking at it in two different ways....i would agree em did not had much impact on hip hop genre itself but he did to the world/ neways good discussion asp n' tash n' so real/