One of Em's biggest flaws

[MontanaFX]

DRE is hot bizzle. His timing is spot on, His voice and tone is spot on. And he can write lyrics.

1 of my top 5 hip-hop artists based solely on what he spits.

[myles/young icon]

well,em said he was hot headed in "no apologies" but in the game who can u trust?and i think collabin'
with people is a good idea cause views change when they see different people spit,like an influence...cause em aint livin forever and shady records is droppin' like a fuckin' rock cause pissed off radio stations ain't playin' em,dre,50,and snoop cause he knows the 3.but once em leaves who's left??they need more people who can fill em's shoes,if possible cause if not...they are fucked.

[blend123]

I've never really like Xzibit much.

i don't agree with that, i think that xzibit is one of the most underrated rappers out there, obie trice too. but i agree with what you sad about 50 and em's collabos. i mean, on eminem show and encore he has no collaborations with rappers outside shady records except nate dogg. and i'm sick of his production too, he's doin better beats for cashis than for himself. i just hope that on his next album will be no more songs like without me and the real slim shady

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

and i have no respect for Dre as a rapper.

I've a different point of view on that. I think Dre is one of the best "rappers" bar none, he's just not a lyricist. But, his delivery and voice is one of the best in the business. Forgot About Dre is proof of that, imo. But I still understand why you would say that, it's because he uses other lyricists lyrics sometimes, which is hard to respect. But a "Rapper" is a person who raps, not neccessarily someone who writes the lyrics. That's why it's hard to knock him as a rapper. Maybe if you said "Lyricist" or "Emcee" I'd agree with ya, he ain't gifted under those monikers.

yeh i agree with you there

dre's rapping skills are awesome, but his songwriting and Lyrical ability (imo) has never been proved, and i doubt hes ever had it.

but at that the fact he doesnt try to pretend he is lyrical or pretend no ones writes for him, i respek that, and the man is a genious producer and excellent..producer but not in the beat making sense i mean in the song sculping and creative sense

[BaZZ]

I disagree with you on the Xzibit note, Xzibit is a great underrated rapper. Listen to his old stuff (the "40 Days & 40 Nights" album, or the "At the Speed of Life" album) and you'll know what I'm talking about. His new album was good but not half as good as his previous efforts.

But yea I do agree with ya, I mean if Em surrounded himself by true lyricists all the time like Nas does, then he would have been much better. I think it also depends on the person to whether or not lose his lyrical ability when surrounded by weak artists, for example Jay-Z does collabs with everyone including Lil Wayne, but at the same time keeps his level of lyricism. But for Eminem, I think his personality allows for him to get influenced by the people around him.

As for who to keep in Shady, I think he should drop everyone except Obie from Shady, and sign people like Royce.

[Evan C.]

My opinions on Xzibit mainly comes from, the shit he did on 2001, and "Don't Approach Me," which I felt he kinda bogged down. Though Em's verses on all that shit were SO amazing I guess it kinda casts him (and everyone else) in a bad light. Royce is the onyl one I've heard who can kinda stay with Em on collaberated tracks from Em's prime.

Jay-Z was okay on Renagade, but Royce's was better. Too bad the DJ was yellin' and shit on Royce's version....

[Evan C.]

I've never really like Xzibit much.

i just hope that on his next album will be no more songs like without me and the real slim shady

I LOVED both those songs. Yes, they were poppy, but his delivery and flow on "The Real Slim Shady", was sick, and he made some good, powerful points through his lyrics. That's a great song IMO.

And then "Without ME" just had a genius rhyme scheme. I hope his next album won't have any "Just Lose IT" or "My Band" type songs.

[Qthetic]

collab more with that bullshit ass Jay Z? Jay Z whose over rated over hyped and all

i like everyone eminem signed and collabrated with except gay-z, if he were to keep doing songs with that big lipped freak then eminem wouldnt of been as big as he is now cuz not alot of ppl like gay-z anyways.
d12, obie, 50, xzibit, dre, snoop, and everyone else that he collabrated with is awesome, he collabrated with elton john to prove that hes not homophobic and you cant take everything slim says seriously, he even took dido's song and made it huge with the single "stan" which he is in the guiness book of records for that song, and he took aerosmiths "dream on" and hearts song for "crazy in love" and made them into really good songs even though he hasnt even collabrated with them. now his brother nathan is following in his footsteps but i dont think he will ever be as big as eminem even though em is probably helping him out.

[Epidemik]

the ghostwriting for dre isnt minimal, well for eminem doing it for me its minimal, but when it wasnt eminem it was jay-z, royce da 5 9 did aswell, same as snoop dogg and well im pretty sure dre didnt write any of the 2001 album lol


on topic though, Obie is sick, and if you cant recognize that you blind listen to his first 2 albums his lyrics are awesome, with more push from his label he would have been alot bigger

also D12 are sick, proof, Swifty, Kinuva, Mr. Porter , whatever way you look at it these guys a great influences not bad ones, Proof was just sick all round so i wont comment, Swift and kuniva and true underground guys they dont sell out they got dope music they keep it real, thats a good unfluence to have, Mr porter is the same as them but also have dope as fuck beats witch makes him even better to have as a freind, bizzare is hillarious and good at what he does but ill keep it at that

the rest of the guys suck

i heard rumours that Hitman used to write alot of Dre's tracks.
im pretty sure i read somewhere that Dre kept Hitman on aftermath mostly as a ghostwriter and Hitman was supposed to release an album with aftermath.. when it never happened he left the label.

anyway.. ya i think the roster should have looked like this.

Dre
Em
Proof
Obie
Royce da 5'9''

[DariusTPF]

Is that he's always tended to surround himself with crap in terms of talented artists. I just noticed it, a lot of the D12 members, while entertaining at times, bog down his tracks. I've never really like Xzibit much. Obie is meh. I know he was being loyal to his boys in D12 after he blew up, but gosh, some of them suck (bizarre). And I don't know what he was thinking with 50 Cent.

Dre is good but he's really only an extension of Em because of the ghostwriting. I wish he would have stuck with Royce longer and collaberated with more with Jay-z and some of the other more critically acclaimed rappers.

Just leave your hip hop pass on the table, when you leave, please .

[Jay-19]

I don't know how you can say shit like he shouldn't have signed Fifty! Okay, he's not the best rapper, but damn that dude brings in alooooooooooot of money! And for Cashis, Stat, Bobby, Obie & D12, they're not all bad, except for Bobby, he sucks. I like Cashis and them, but I don't think they have the potential to blow up big, like Fifty did.

[Evan C.]

The only reason 50 brings in a lot of money is because of the hooks that are playable in all the clubs. He's an atrocious rapper/lyricist.

Imagine how much better the state of Rap would be today if Shady/Aftermath woulda signed Royce and marketed him since 2002 like they have 50.

[Robbie G]

He should have signed 50 and royce.

I don't see signing 50 as a mistake on ems part. I mean he was good before he got signed, put out a strong debut album. Brought in G-unit who suck now but put out two good albums in Beg For Mercy and banks's hunger for more. So he's had some success early even if he fails now.

As for obie a d12 i think they are pretty good influences on em because they for the most part haven't sold out and still make good music. Dre is great for em as a mentor and a producer, even if he has ghostwriting. Jay-z is pretty dope when he's trying, I wouldn't mind him doing another ft. with him. Same with Nas.

As for the rest (Cashis, bobby creek, stat) they are ok but nothing special yet. Maybe stat will surprise me with his album, im not sure. Cashis seems like the kind of person who sucks but everyone in awhile puts out a good track and i've never heard bobby creek lol.

Overall I think em could get some better features but what he has now is nothing to really complain about. I just assume he stays with what he's got now rather than going out and doing a song with like lil wayne or soulja boy that would suck.