Keys to the city

[Tash8]

btw I think the title means something like "respect of detriot" like keys to the city as in he's trying to get the respect of the people in detriot and be "king" back again...

[4D]

hes always been lyrical ?


now this is starting to piss me off, some good news about eminem and everyone just forgets the wack shit he did, he wasnt lyrical on re-up, he wasnt lyrical on touchdown, he wasnt lyrical on smack that....so he isnt always lyrical, he can be lyrical when he tries and wants to be, other times he just isnt lyrics and that fact made the other stuff wack


i hope to god hes back on his game for thie track with premier, but the fact is just coz its eminem doesnt make is sick, he could be wack as fuck on it



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oh and for the name of the track, its sounds wack as fuck, unless hes on some detroit shit (like devils night) its a wack name for a song that is supposedly lyrical lol

He has always been lyrical, yes, he's had some bad songs in between which were less "lyrical" and he may have been dumbing down for the "club banger" side of the market. but he's also had some great songs in between too, lik When I'm Gone and No Apologies. I enjoyed EM's shit on the Re-Up, not as much as The Eminem Show level of material, but more than his recent collabs, and more than some of the stuff on Encore. The Re-Up gave me hope that he was still hungry and still determined to be one of the best rappers, he murdered everyone else on the CD but that's not hard.

No one's forgetting the weak shit he has put out recently, but people have finally got some news they can be a bit positive about, so some people get a bit too excited, lol. I myself don't heed hype too much, I`m enthusiastic yes, but I'm not being fooled by any word of mouth until my own ears check it out first. ACtually all this hype imo is setting the album up for a fall, no matter how good it is, if people keep saying it's out of this world amazing, it's never gonna live up to it. Well, unless it is, lol.

[Robbie G]

hes always been lyrical ?


now this is starting to piss me off, some good news about eminem and everyone just forgets the wack shit he did, he wasnt lyrical on re-up, he wasnt lyrical on touchdown, he wasnt lyrical on smack that....so he isnt always lyrical, he can be lyrical when he tries and wants to be, other times he just isnt lyrics and that fact made the other stuff wack


i hope to god hes back on his game for thie track with premier, but the fact is just coz its eminem doesnt make is sick, he could be wack as fuck on it



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oh and for the name of the track, its sounds wack as fuck, unless hes on some detroit shit (like devils night) its a wack name for a song that is supposedly lyrical lol

He has always been lyrical, yes, he's had some bad songs in between which were less "lyrical" and he may have been dumbing down for the "club banger" side of the market. but he's also had some great songs in between too, lik When I'm Gone and No Apologies. I enjoyed EM's shit on the Re-Up, not as much as The Eminem Show level of material, but more than his recent collabs, and more than some of the stuff on Encore. The Re-Up gave me hope that he was still hungry and still determined to be one of the best rappers, he murdered everyone else on the CD but that's not hard.

No one's forgetting the weak shit he has put out recently, but people have finally got some news they can be a bit positive about, so some people get a bit too excited, lol. I myself don't heed hype too much, I`m enthusiastic yes, but I'm not being fooled by any word of mouth until my own ears check it out first. ACtually all this hype imo is setting the album up for a fall, no matter how good it is, if people keep saying it's out of this world amazing, it's never gonna live up to it. Well, unless it is, lol.

Yeah thats true we might expect to much now. Like if he drops and album thats good but not on the mmlp level we'll be disappointed. Whereas if there was no hype everyone would think it was dope. Si yeah butter to not get excited.

[Rabbi]

4D wrote:
,-,'-{Bar}-',-, wrote:
hes always been lyrical ?


now this is starting to piss me off, some good news about eminem and everyone just forgets the wack shit he did, he wasnt lyrical on re-up, he wasnt lyrical on touchdown, he wasnt lyrical on smack that....so he isnt always lyrical, he can be lyrical when he tries and wants to be, other times he just isnt lyrics and that fact made the other stuff wack


i hope to god hes back on his game for thie track with premier, but the fact is just coz its eminem doesnt make is sick, he could be wack as fuck on it



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oh and for the name of the track, its sounds wack as fuck, unless hes on some detroit shit (like devils night) its a wack name for a song that is supposedly lyrical lol



He has always been lyrical, yes, he's had some bad songs in between which were less "lyrical" and he may have been dumbing down for the "club banger" side of the market. but he's also had some great songs in between too, lik When I'm Gone and No Apologies. I enjoyed EM's shit on the Re-Up, not as much as The Eminem Show level of material, but more than his recent collabs, and more than some of the stuff on Encore. The Re-Up gave me hope that he was still hungry and still determined to be one of the best rappers, he murdered everyone else on the CD but that's not hard.

No one's forgetting the weak shit he has put out recently, but people have finally got some news they can be a bit positive about, so some people get a bit too excited, lol. I myself don't heed hype too much, I`m enthusiastic yes, but I'm not being fooled by any word of mouth until my own ears check it out first. ACtually all this hype imo is setting the album up for a fall, no matter how good it is, if people keep saying it's out of this world amazing, it's never gonna live up to it. Well, unless it is, lol.


Yeah thats true we might expect to much now. Like if he drops and album thats good but not on the mmlp level we'll be disappointed. Whereas if there was no hype everyone would think it was dope. Si yeah butter to not get excited.

I think its just all marketing technique the way things are coming to light slowly, but i would bet my life that this album will not be a fluke, it wouldn't make any sense if it were

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

sway has had bad songs 2 bar

name them

to sound like a complete asshol here, in sways main discography (not including mixtapes) hes never had a bad song (imo) he always makes sure his standard never falls below the bar he has already given himself (one of the things i love about him) and he maintains that level of music and progresses from it...alot like eminem's jumps from Infinite, to slim shady EP to the LP ect. once he had released Eminem show it was like "can he even get any better than this!!?" then he dropped down...lol



but to stay on topic.

hes always been lyrical ?


now this is starting to piss me off, some good news about eminem and everyone just forgets the wack shit he did, he wasnt lyrical on re-up, he wasnt lyrical on touchdown, he wasnt lyrical on smack that....so he isnt always lyrical, he can be lyrical when he tries and wants to be, other times he just isnt lyrics and that fact made the other stuff wack


i hope to god hes back on his game for thie track with premier, but the fact is just coz its eminem doesnt make is sick, he could be wack as fuck on it



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oh and for the name of the track, its sounds wack as fuck, unless hes on some detroit shit (like devils night) its a wack name for a song that is supposedly lyrical lol

He has always been lyrical, yes, he's had some bad songs in between which were less "lyrical" and he may have been dumbing down for the "club banger" side of the market. but he's also had some great songs in between too, lik When I'm Gone and No Apologies. I enjoyed EM's shit on the Re-Up, not as much as The Eminem Show level of material, but more than his recent collabs, and more than some of the stuff on Encore. The Re-Up gave me hope that he was still hungry and still determined to be one of the best rappers, he murdered everyone else on the CD but that's not hard.

No one's forgetting the weak shit he has put out recently, but people have finally got some news they can be a bit positive about, so some people get a bit too excited, lol. I myself don't heed hype too much, I`m enthusiastic yes, but I'm not being fooled by any word of mouth until my own ears check it out first. ACtually all this hype imo is setting the album up for a fall, no matter how good it is, if people keep saying it's out of this world amazing, it's never gonna live up to it. Well, unless it is, lol.

lol your wording is smart here, he "may" have been dumbing it down...there is no "may" about it, he did dumb it down, and to me thats selling out..and that takes away alot of respect i have for an artist when they do something like dumb it down.

the lupe fiasco song (ironically) named dumb it down, shows how you should appraoch the A&R when they tell you to dumb it down.

im sorry, its just my attitude..and maybe its a shitty attitude to have, but he either fell off (meaning he actually thought what he was doin was sick, when it wasnt), had a long dip in form (witch is acceptable as long as he pulls it back up and doesnt kill what he created) or he sold out (witch sucks)

and trust me, i aint hating, for the first time in about 4 or 5 years im actually hyped about new eminem music and i hope he doesnt fuck it up, but i wont forget what he did do and how much worse he got, i think people still sugar coat how bad he actually had gotten...i mean seriously...touchdown ? smack that ?....re-up ? ok he killed the re-up tape but....the average myspace rapper could have killed that tape so its nothing to be proud off, oh and imo proof killed that tape in one track.


i aint knocking anyone for being positive, but he wasnt always lyrical, he did dumb it down and stopped being lyrical..infact he hasnt started being lyrical again, he may do as Premier sayed..and i hope to god he does.

[Tash8]

with eminem....

when he makes a great album, he gets blown too much for it.
when he makes a decent to bad album he gets his dick cut off for it...

for example

Evil Deeds
Never Enough
Yellow Brick Road
Like Toy Soldiers
Mosh
Spend Some Time
Mockingbird
Encore

where all good songs and some people for example you, forget that he had other songs that never made encore cuz they got leaked... now think about it if those songs which were dope as fuck made it that would be 11 good-great songs out of 15 songs total...

there's reasons to why encore did bad... maybe he got bored maybe he was trying a less lyrical style maybe he didn't even give a fuck anymore....

but saying encore was horrible is just idiotic cuz it wasn't... i bet you still bump some songs on it... shiiit IMO graduation had like 1-2 good songs on it (stronger, big brother) and that shit is considered the best album this year...

sure he's let off some bad verses, but look at the concepts he's been giving.. and i know u gon be like oh well he could have just not accepted them but come on... i mean I would do a club verse and yes i wouldn't make it lyrical cuz no one wants to hear a club verse with metaphores and wordplay and shit, at least I don't.... touchdown shit that was wack, the lyrics i think had more meaning to them but the flow and his accent just make it :no:

The Re-Up they way i saw that was him trying to get back into it, i mean come on in the whole thing there wasn't one fart noise and besides jimmy crack corn it was all serious... also this is also reason that i wont use but could be fought for, maybe he was trying not to outshine everyone too bad on it but yea... recently i listened to reup again and "trapped" 45 seconds was the best track of all

anyways, this is boring and i'm just talking and talking and i'm not even gonna actulaly post this

FUCK i accie

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

I can't believe bar, said Sway has no bad songs.

Bar = Number One Fan Of Sway

he has bad songs on his this is my promo vol 1 + 2 and also this is my rave....and some weak collab verses (that i heard on the dotted lines mixtape)...thats why i said dont include mixtapes

with eminem....

when he makes a great album, he gets blown too much for it.
when he makes a decent to bad album he gets his dick cut off for it...

for example

Evil Deeds
Never Enough
Yellow Brick Road
Like Toy Soldiers
Mosh
Spend Some Time
Mockingbird
Encore

where all good songs and some people for example you, forget that he had other songs that never made encore cuz they got leaked... now think about it if those songs which were dope as fuck made it that would be 11 good-great songs out of 15 songs total...

there's reasons to why encore did bad... maybe he got bored maybe he was trying a less lyrical style maybe he didn't even give a fuck anymore....

but saying encore was horrible is just idiotic cuz it wasn't... i bet you still bump some songs on it... shiiit IMO graduation had like 1-2 good songs on it (stronger, big brother) and that shit is considered the best album this year...

sure he's let off some bad verses, but look at the concepts he's been giving.. and i know u gon be like oh well he could have just not accepted them but come on... i mean I would do a club verse and yes i wouldn't make it lyrical cuz no one wants to hear a club verse with metaphores and wordplay and shit, at least I don't.... touchdown shit that was wack, the lyrics i think had more meaning to them but the flow and his accent just make it :no:

The Re-Up they way i saw that was him trying to get back into it, i mean come on in the whole thing there wasn't one fart noise and besides jimmy crack corn it was all serious... also this is also reason that i wont use but could be fought for, maybe he was trying not to outshine everyone too bad on it but yea... recently i listened to reup again and "trapped" 45 seconds was the best track of all

anyways, this is boring and i'm just talking and talking and i'm not even gonna actulaly post this

FUCK i accie

lol everything always leads back to encore, and its always the same story "these songs got leaked" "it wasn that bad" ....for a 18 song album to only have 5 truly good songs, is terrible, and about your comment on graduation, i personely like the album mostly because of the beats, but for the standard of mainstream music these days graduation is sick, for the standard of mainstream music today...encore would be like the god of hip hop....that doesnt say encore is good that says mainstream music today is completely trash..witch anyone with a decent opinion in hip hop knows.

also you make it sound like its ok to dumb it down i mean what the fuck is "try a less lyrical style", ok thats kool, lets tell a clasical singer not to be clasical, tell a rock band not to have guitars and drum n bass not to use drums ?...i mean what the fuck ? , hip hop is lyrical. there aint no less lyrical style..there should be any dumbing it down, you should always look to progress further than you did before.


you could say the problem with eminem is he has failed the test of time, he just couldnt keep it constantly sick, look at nas he has this level of sickness he never drops below and hes so sick that his bad tracks that people dont like are still 10 times sicker than everything else anyone puts out..and then when he has a sick track..its like DAM, thats the sorta artist eminem shoulda been, unfortutently he "dumbed it down" if you all think that accapteble....you all sucked eminem dick a bit too deep and its indented in the back of your throat.




oh yeh, for the record, i aint got nothing against deeper tracks or different styles that are not lyrical (aka hailaies song, dear mama, keep ya head up ect.) but to completely switch and even do the serious concepts in that style is something im against

[4D]

lol everything always leads back to encore, and its always the same story "these songs got leaked" "it wasn that bad" ....for a 18 song album to only have 5 truly good songs, is terrible, and about your comment on graduation, i personely like the album mostly because of the beats, but for the standard of mainstream music these days graduation is sick, for the standard of mainstream music today...encore would be like the god of hip hop....that doesnt say encore is good that says mainstream music today is completely trash..witch anyone with a decent opinion in hip hop knows.

For an 18 song album to have 5 very good songs is actually above average to even great, but because Eminem had previous albums which were almost jam-packed with classic tracks, Encore was below his standard, and this was heigthened by puttin shitty toilet humour tracks on the album. But the majority of albums people will buy or listen to, there'll be a maximum of 4 or 5 good or great tracks, the rest'll be forgettable.
And you're wrong, mainstream is mainstream, it's always a low standard, the focus is on catchy and marketable, not indept lyrics.

also you make it sound like its ok to dumb it down i mean what the fuck is "try a less lyrical style", ok thats kool, lets tell a clasical singer not to be clasical, tell a rock band not to have guitars and drum n bass not to use drums ?...i mean what the fuck ? , hip hop is lyrical. there aint no less lyrical style..there should be any dumbing it down, you should always look to progress further than you did before.

You don't know what you're talking about here man, It's not about telling a rock band to take away guitars, it's about telling a band to tone it down. All the great bands have released chart friendly tracks to try and break into the mainstream, even the hardest of bands like Metallica, got a lot of stick from their fans for releasing slower songs, and even for making music videos, which was considered selling out back then. Sometimes you have to release a shitty catchy song to draw an audience to your real material that you want them to hear. This is the secret to being a huge artist. On Eminem's first 3 albums, he found the perfect balance and didn't sacrifice great lyrics for catchy hooks. But, on Encore's "Just Lose It", he didn't, and that was continued on a few other tracks on the album.

you could say the problem with eminem is he has failed the test of time, he just couldnt keep it constantly sick, look at nas he has this level of sickness he never drops below and hes so sick that his bad tracks that people dont like are still 10 times sicker than everything else anyone puts out..and then when he has a sick track..its like DAM, thats the sorta artist eminem shoulda been, unfortutently he "dumbed it down" if you all think that accapteble....you all sucked eminem dick a bit too deep and its indented in the back of your throat.

Once again BULLSHIT, there is no rapper, that has been as consistently good as Eminem, even after Encore, which you say is "terrible". Nas, Jay-Z, Tupac, all had their fair share of below average albums, and even shit albums. What's EMinem's lack of consistency? Releasing one above average rap album? That's still way better than other rappers have fared.

oh yeh, for the record, i aint got nothing against deeper tracks or different styles that are not lyrical (aka hailaies song, dear mama, keep ya head up ect.) but to completely switch and even do the serious concepts in that style is something im against

When has he done that?

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

For an 18 song album to have 5 very good songs is actually above average to even great, but because Eminem had previous albums which were almost jam-packed with classic tracks, Encore was below his standard, and this was heigthened by puttin shitty toilet humour tracks on the album. But the majority of albums people will buy or listen to, there'll be a maximum of 4 or 5 good or great tracks, the rest'll be forgettable.
And you're wrong, mainstream is mainstream, it's always a low standard, the focus is on catchy and marketable, not indept lyrics.

well ok, if you wanne judge eminem along with the 50 cents and lil waynes of rap, thats your choice, for what he did before i like to judge him along with the like's of rakim and for how much you have defended eminem and how highly you rate him i would think you would want him to be rated amoungst the highest standard of hip hop, not the shitty stuff that sells, but hey thats your choice

You don't know what you're talking about here man, It's not about telling a rock band to take away guitars, it's about telling a band to tone it down. All the great bands have released chart friendly tracks to try and break into the mainstream, even the hardest of bands like Metallica, got a lot of stick from their fans for releasing slower songs, and even for making music videos, which was considered selling out back then. Sometimes you have to release a shitty catchy song to draw an audience to your real material that you want them to hear. This is the secret to being a huge artist. On Eminem's first 3 albums, he found the perfect balance and didn't sacrifice great lyrics for catchy hooks. But, on Encore's "Just Lose It", he didn't, and that was continued on a few other tracks on the album.

after eminem show how much albums had eminem sold..adding his 3 albums together.. ?

did he really have to do a pop single to catch new audience's with encore ?

was just lose it considerbly below the standard of his previous pop cross overs ?

and lol @ this being the secret, im pretty sure it aint too much of a secret,

and i aint saying its wrong, im saying you dont need to sacrafice the lyrical side for a pop crossover, and eminem did..and i consider that dumbing it down, and i personely dislike that he did that.

also why insult me ? i think i know what im talking about, since you said i didnt know what i was talking then basically sugar coated what i said so it didnt look as bad...

Once again BULLSHIT, there is no rapper, that has been as consistently good as Eminem, even after Encore, which you say is "terrible". Nas, Jay-Z, Tupac, all had their fair share of below average albums, and even shit albums. What's EMinem's lack of consistency? Releasing one above average rap album? That's still way better than other rappers have fared.

above average rap album....sure above average shitty mainstream rap, but not above average if you listen to guys who are real hip hop music, once again your judging eminem along with the bottom of the barrel of rap, when you should be judging him along with the top of the pick, especially since you once again rate him so high. also on that note, Tupac... no were near eminem standard so the comparison shouldnt be there, Jay-z not on eminems standard so shouldn't be compared, Nas is a good comparison, nas has had below standard albums and he bounced back with stillmatic. and like i already sayed, i hope eminem bounces back aswell. and if i was into hip hop back when nas had a dip in form, i woulda had the exact same reaction but on that note i got all of nas's album and none of them annoy me as much as encore, not cause they are better, but atleast when nas has a weak album hes still tyring to be good it just isnt that good, its still decent concepts, he still try's to be lyrical..eminem's dip in form was compeltely different type, bad concepts, bad lyrics ect.

also out of curiosity, what nas albums would you say sucked ?

also imo Rakim, Akala, Sway, Jin, Royce Da 59, Lupe Fiasco and nas

to name a few have been more consistent than eminem, these guys wont get as much recognition becuase they never had mainstream consistently succesful music, but like i said a couple posts back they have a standard they dont drop below so even there weak songs are still above everything else, and i know your reply will have somehting to say about how some are relevently new artist and will/could become rubbish or not have consistentsy....thats true and i cant deny it could happen coz i dont know the future, but for material released to date these guys have been more consistent when judging eminems material to date (not saying they are all better than eminem, i would give my opinion on that but id get bombarded by 200 groupies who dont know what there talking about lol )

When has he done that?

hailaies song ?

and that wasnt commenting on eminem anywae, it was just commenting on it coz if you read my post it seemed as if i didnt like music that never had a gazillion multi's, witch isnt true coz i do/can like simple meaningful tracks

[Xray]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THOSE ESSAYS YA'LL WRITING MY EYES ARE BLEEDING

[Tash8]

bar, none of those artists just mentioned are trying to keep mainstream and lyrical balance, eminem has and will always try it. he's a mainstream rapper. i guess you don't understand that.

Lupe Fiasco --> this guy just get hooks for example "superstar" to be his catchy song for mainstream...

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

bar, none of those artists just mentioned are trying to keep mainstream and lyrical balance, eminem has and will always try it. he's a mainstream rapper. i guess you don't understand that.

Lupe Fiasco --> this guy just get hooks for example "superstar" to be his catchy song for mainstream...

once you have the biggest mainstream status in hip hop, im pretty sure you dont need to change yourself to get mainstream status.

and i do understand stand it so you guessed wrong, and if you think back to his rpevious albums he kept the balance, now hes lost the balance and its went all the mainstream way.

nas keeps the balance doesnt he ?

the guys i mentioned even though not tyring to maintain mainstream status they are trying to get it without taking away the creative side of there music. it is possible to get mainstream status and maintain it without selling out.

[Tash8]

so hold on, if ricky ticky toc and we as americans and love you more made the album like they should have, wouldn't it have had close to good balance?

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

so hold on, if ricky ticky toc and we as americans and love you more made the album like they should have, wouldn't it have had close to good balance?

there is no way to debate an If, coz if this happened if that happened anything could have happened...if they were on it what songs would have been removed, or what if he just put them on it and didnt remove any others songs and had a bigger tracklist, or what if tupac was still alive would eminem be signed to aftermath or what if........


so if thos songs were on it, and puke, big weenie ect. werent on it, it would have had a better balance but it still wouldnt have been that good. instead of having say 5 truly good track it would have had 8...and 10 bad ones....balance is still on the other side

[4D]

well ok, if you wanne judge eminem along with the 50 cents and lil waynes of rap, thats your choice, for what he did before i like to judge him along with the like's of rakim and for how much you have defended eminem and how highly you rate him i would think you would want him to be rated amoungst the highest standard of hip hop, not the shitty stuff that sells, but hey thats your choice

I rate him above Rakim. Rakim is one dimensional, i've more admiration for an artist who really embodies the word "artist", always trying something new and different. I`m not excusing the weak tracks, I don't admire or like that at all, I was just explaining the probable reasons for them.

after eminem show how much albums had eminem sold..adding his 3 albums together.. ?

did he really have to do a pop single to catch new audience's with encore ?

was just lose it considerbly below the standard of his previous pop cross overs ?

and lol @ this being the secret, im pretty sure it aint too much of a secret,

and i aint saying its wrong, im saying you dont need to sacrafice the lyrical side for a pop crossover, and eminem did..and i consider that dumbing it down, and i personely dislike that he did that.

also why insult me ? i think i know what im talking about, since you said i didnt know what i was talking then basically sugar coated what i said so it didnt look as bad...

He sold loads, more than ever imagined possible, but with every album release you're trying to reach the audience. I agree, he doesn't need to release catchy lead off singles anymore, I think after "My Name Is" he could've stopped.

"The Real SLim Shady" and Without Me" are great tracks though, so I`m glad that he did those, but "Just Lose It" sucks, and i've listened to that very few times. It's way below the standard of his previous "pop" singles.

What I meant by it being the "secret", was that it's the key to gaining popularity, and bringing recognition and a huge audience to your music. And it sounded like you hadn't heard of it before, so maybe it is a secret to some people.

I didn't insult you. I`m just saying if you're gonna mention other genre's you should know that all artists from every genre want to hit the mainstream, even if they don't admit it. If they can do it without losing their intergrity great, if not, then they'll still try it. Well, the ones with any level of ambition will anyway.

above average rap album....sure above average shitty mainstream rap, but not above average if you listen to guys who are real hip hop music, once again your judging eminem along with the bottom of the barrel of rap, when you should be judging him along with the top of the pick, especially since you once again rate him so high. also on that note, Tupac... no were near eminem standard so the comparison shouldnt be there, Jay-z not on eminems standard so shouldn't be compared, Nas is a good comparison, nas has had below standard albums and he bounced back with stillmatic. and like i already sayed, i hope eminem bounces back aswell. and if i was into hip hop back when nas had a dip in form, i woulda had the exact same reaction but on that note i got all of nas's album and none of them annoy me as much as encore, not cause they are better, but atleast when nas has a weak album hes still tyring to be good it just isnt that good, its still decent concepts, he still try's to be lyrical..eminem's dip in form was compeltely different type, bad concepts, bad lyrics ect.

Average is the normal run of the mill album, that does well, sells well, has a few good songs. Encore is better than that. It had some great songs, and even for it's weaknesses it's still a more interesting album than most other artists have released since. I agree with you about Nas, he had a dip in form, he even tried selling out and going mainstream. It didn't work he wasn't that type of artist so he failed at that, lost integrity for even trying it, and turned away a lot of fans in the process. Much like EMinem has done recently (If the discussion boards are anything to go by), he has resorted to releasing songs which are beneath him, collabs and some of his own songs, namely "Puke", "My 1st Single", "Ass Like That" and "Rain Man". I don't like those songs, but there are parts in some of those songs that are brilliant. Well, not Puke, that's just shit. They annoy me too, and they do ruin the album, it's hard to think about the album, and just remember the great songs, you can't ignore these shitty songs. I`m not denying that. But, the album gets too hard of a bashing sometimes imo.

also out of curiosity, what nas albums would you say sucked ?

You know I wouldn't say any suck to be honest with ya. I think like EMinem people heard Illmatic, and though Jesus had arrived, after that he could only come down. I heard and read a lot about Nas before listening to all his albums. I had heard like yourself, that Illmatic was awesome, he kinda fell of after that, but came back to form with Stillmatic. So I decided to download his albums. I actually liked them all. Some of them don't have the same skill level, vibe or concepts as Illmatic or Stillmatic, but they're all "Above Average" imo. Nastradamus and It Was Written, are the ones that are considered his weakest offering I think, and I love "Nastradamus". 2 of my favourite Nas songs are on that. Yet, there are only 4 or 5 good songs on the album. "Terrible" album? Not a chance.

also imo Rakim, Akala, Sway, Jin, Royce Da 59, Lupe Fiasco and nas

to name a few have been more consistent than eminem, these guys wont get as much recognition becuase they never had mainstream consistently succesful music, but like i said a couple posts back they have a standard they dont drop below so even there weak songs are still above everything else, and i know your reply will have somehting to say about how some are relevently new artist and will/could become rubbish or not have consistentsy....thats true and i cant deny it could happen coz i dont know the future, but for material released to date these guys have been more consistent when judging eminems material to date (not saying they are all better than eminem, i would give my opinion on that but id get bombarded by 200 groupies who dont know what there talking about lol )

You can't compare those guys to Eminem, because they've never risen to his heights. It's easy to be consistent when you're not successful. When you're on top of the world, it's a lot harder to stay at that level. You are judging rappers just by lyrical skills, that's naive. It takes more than that to be a truly great rapper. You have to have it all. Jay-Z and EMinem are top of the food chain, because they can do everything. Club songs, concept storytelling, lyrical exhibition shit, chart toppers, personal emotional stuff, you have to be able to do everything to be the greatest. When the above performers you mentioned can do all this, and make it pallatable for the whole world to want to listen to it, get back to me, cos that's real talent.

When has he done that?

hailaies song ?

and that wasnt commenting on eminem anywae, it was just commenting on it coz if you read my post it seemed as if i didnt like music that never had a gazillion multi's, witch isnt true coz i do/can like simple meaningful tracks

But didn't you "include "Hailey's Song" as one of the songs you don't mind having simplistic lyrics? My question was asking what "Serious" songs did he continue using simplistic lyrics with?, and by "serious" what do you mean? Serious subject matter, or serious emcee type shit?


P.s This discussion is getting way too time consuming lol. I`m enjoying it, and it's valid points coming from both sides, but i`m gonna have to chilax with the 10,000 BC type Mammoth posts, lol.



EDit: (Bar and Tash posted while I was writing this )

About the extra songs Tash, I understand what you're trying to say. But, those songs wouldn't have been on the album, and if they were "Mosh" and "Crazy In Love" wouldn't have. They are too similar, he wrote "Mosh" and Crazy In Love" to fill the gap left by the leaked songs. And I`m glad, at least this way we get all the songs.

And Chet is right, fuck this arguing about Encore shit, I don't know why I even argue sometimes, as I mostly feel the same way as people like Bar. Except I focus on the positives. Release the new fuckin album for fucks sake.