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Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby ,-,'-{Bar}-',-, » Feb 22nd, '08, 23:17

(puting this in here coz its not completely about hip hop its more about music in a whole)

this thought got inspired by an akala line that says something like "all the biggest selling artist of all time are the best artist of all time" (and the overall track I'm Gone lol)

and made me think, hes right, Elvis, Beatles, Eminem, Micheal Jackson (thriller era). and when you think of alot of artists that sell alot of records they are really talented, Amy Winehouse, Nas, Linkin Park.


Now you may just say "your ignoring the shit artists that sell" thats true but im talking about a different Audience.

before people sold loads of records because it had people who are really into music buying it and then people who only buy it for a listen/dance/sing along. Now it only has the later people buying it because its got worse. Really people focus on Hip Hop getting worse, but really overall all music got worse. and when a decent artist comes out with a track record of being great they DO sell numbers because the aduience that buy music for the music go buy it, sales are just down because there's less real music.

Everyone blames it on downloading instead of buying but really, when a Dope album comes out most people i know buy it, but when a bog standard album comes out but has big promotion everyone downloads and then everyone is like "everyone downloaded it no one buys records anymore" , the only difference if before people used to cater both the Music lover and the casual listner, now its one or the other and thats why the whole sales/downloading thing got affliated.

and on to underground sales, the reason these guys dont do big numbers isnt because there "slept on" or shit, its usually just because they aint got enough money to press enough Records or get enough promotion. but again when one of them do have the buisness plan to do good numbers they do it (akala, sway, plan B - UK sales wise there well known, and even known by american artists and people) coz the music lovers buy the shit and dont Download.

i actually forgot what the whole point in this thread was....but yeh, if you get the jest of what i mean, Discuss :smoking:
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Tash8 » Feb 23rd, '08, 00:02

i agree with you

Record Sales mean a lot

for example, 50 cent sells a lot because he is good at what he does, just cuz u dont like his style doesn't mean he's not good at it

the best at their style usually sell a lot
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby mctworm » Feb 23rd, '08, 00:13

me too, I agree
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Makaveli525 » Feb 23rd, '08, 00:24

i understand what you saying... alot of what youre saying is true.... but it's not always because the artist is the most talented that he sells the most

i mean, there are plenty of rappers better than Em and better than Pac, but the reason they sold so much was their level commercial appeal (Em was white, he appealed to more listeners... Pac had the "sensitive thug" kinda image that appealed to women, gangstas, suburban kids, everyone)

again, commercial appeal is the main reason... that's why 50 sells so much even though his actual level of rapping talent is questionable, he stands for the same "gangsta" image today that Pac stood for
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Tash8 » Feb 23rd, '08, 00:51

^ what your saying is questionable, first of all it deals with an opinion

50 Cent is considered by many the best rapper, because of his style of rap... They like that style

just cause you dont like it, doesn't mean he's not talented at what he does...

also saying there are plenty rappers better than eminem and 2pac is a matter of opinion.. i think there's plenty rappers better than 2pac but eminem is in my top 2...

selling a lot has to do with their talent and if their good at their style, Selling an enormous amount like eminem and pac is because they got the appeal ur talking about.
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Makaveli525 » Feb 23rd, '08, 01:48

i see what your saying tash... but if having talent was the only factor deciding sales, people like Rakim might have sold alot more than they have...

on a side note, 50 used to be good at what he did...
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Postby Tash8 » Feb 23rd, '08, 22:26

Makaveli525 wrote:i see what your saying tash... but if having talent was the only factor deciding sales, people like Rakim might have sold alot more than they have...

on a side note, 50 used to be good at what he did...


ya of course, not all talented people get the sales they should, because life is unfair... lol
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Postby Epidemik » Mar 1st, '08, 05:01

totally agree with bar on this..
but i would also like to add that a large percent of it is due to an increase in internet downloading haha which is pretty damn obvious..

thers not a mainstream album that cant be downloaded over the net these days.
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby AspirinE » Mar 11th, '08, 08:56

I dont know what the big question here is...

Good artists will never even try to appeal to listeners that have no taste in music ... a.k.a the "i worship thy charts" people.

And since theres always gonna be more idiots in the world, bad artists with appearance on tv will fullfill the function of being a way to get money for record companies.
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Xray » Mar 11th, '08, 09:01

it's some artists that are causing problems for the people who listen to real music.

its not only artists it seems like music is becoming too modern
so soon nobody will even give a fuck, which new artist is out
or what album is out..they'll just go to the club..listen to souljah boy type songs
and go to the store and buy it...music is vanishing :(
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Nu Syd » Mar 29th, '08, 08:48

Sales slipped due to the internet. If music wasent able to be shared online everyone would be platnium.
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Makaveli525 » Mar 30th, '08, 18:40

Nu Syd wrote:Sales slipped due to the internet. If music wasent able to be shared online everyone would be platnium.

Not true... if you make albums that are good on the whole... people will buy... on the other hand, if you make shitty music, no one will buy anyway...

There are people who will always share music online...

But there are still people who will always buy CDs...
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Makaveli525 » Mar 31st, '08, 01:22

Chet wrote:
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Nu Syd wrote:Sales slipped due to the internet. If music wasent able to be shared online everyone would be platnium.

Not true... if you make albums that are good on the whole... people will buy... on the other hand, if you make shitty music, no one will buy anyway...

There are people who will always share music online...

But there are still people who will always buy CDs...

well even if a album is great, I still won't buy it

but I don't think the internet is the problem

in that case, then you're the problem
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Makaveli525 » Mar 31st, '08, 02:24

Chet wrote:well no, the problem is the government

if they made more jobs, stop letting the mexican's break in and stop raising taxes maybe then I would have money to waste on something I can get for free

and when I see some bitch like 50 living on a box on the street, then I buy a cd

lmao.... that aint the point yo

50 got rich off other shit... it's not just the music, he turned it into a franchise... he is a businessman

I'm talkin about cats like AZ... he is respected as one of the greatest, but he still lives in a trailer with his moms cuz people can get his music for free...
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Re: Sales Slipped Coz Artists Slipped ?

Postby Tash8 » Apr 6th, '08, 18:20

Chet wrote:if they made more jobs, stop letting the mexican's break in and stop raising taxes maybe then I would have money to waste on something I can get for free


dude you make some stupid points sometimes, if U.S. cracks down on mexican's coming and working on the fields for like 2 cents a barrel then where the fuck you gon get ur food from for so much cheaper than it normally would be.
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