2pac - eminem

[Evan C.]

Oh please. Rhyme skill and overall flow go to Eminem hands down...It's not really a contest. Pac wasn't anything amazing in either of those two areas. The only thing which would be a matter of opinion would be which subject matter do you connect with the most, since both did meaningful songs.

But Eminem is the better RAPPER, in terms of technical skill and ability.

[theJFKshow]

In my opinion, I think Tupac is extremely overrated. Just because he died, doesn't justify him as 'the best ever'. I can ask any Tupac fan to spit out a line in which Tupac shows his lyrical mastery and emotion, however, they never have anything to say.

Someone please provide some actual LYRICAL evidence as to why Tupac is better than Marshall Mathers.

I have never heard a song from Tupac that 'wow'd' me more than 'The Way I Am', 'Stan', or 'Lose Yourself'.

[Tash8]

In my opinion, I think Tupac is extremely overrated. Just because he died, doesn't justify him as 'the best ever'. I can ask any Tupac fan to spit out a line in which Tupac shows his lyrical mastery and emotion, however, they never have anything to say.

Someone please provide some actual LYRICAL evidence as to why Tupac is better than Marshall Mathers.

I have never heard a song from Tupac that 'wow'd' me more than 'The Way I Am', 'Stan', or 'Lose Yourself'.

Changes - 2Pac

[theJFKshow]

I see no changes all I see is racist faces
misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight
and only time we chill is when we kill each other
it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
But some things will never change
try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game
Now tell me what's a mother to do
bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way
sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is


or


My life is full of empty promises
And broken dreams
I'm hoping things will look up
But there ain't no job openings
I feel discouraged hungry and malnourished
Living in this house with no furnace, unfurnished
And I'm sick of working dead end jobs with lame pay
And I'm tired of being hired and fired the same day
But fuck it, if you know the rules to the game play
Cause when we die we know were all going the same way
It's cool to be player, but it sucks to be the fan
When all you need is bucks to be the man
Plus a luxury sedan
Too comfortable and roomy in a six
They threw me in the mix
With all these gloomy lunatics
Walk around depressed
And smoke a pound of ses a day
And yesterday went by so quick it seems like it was just today
My daughter wants to throw the ball but I'm too stressed to play
Live half my life and throw the rest away


LYRICALLY, Eminem is better. I like Tupac's message in this song more though.

[Tash8]

u probably weren't the people the 2pac influenced..

just like eminem influenced a set of people, 2pac did the same thing... he did it in a different decade so times were different, shit was different

also you compared 2pac's verse to an irrelevant eminem verse, what do the 2 have to do together... how about choosing ones wtih similar topics.

[theJFKshow]

Yo', never was a thug, just infatuated with guns,
never was a gangsta, 'til I graduated to one,
and got the rep of a villain, for weapon concealin',
took the image of a thug, kept shit appealin',
willin' to stick out my neck, for respect if it meant life or death,
never live to regret what I said,
when you're me, people just want to see,
if it's true, if it's you, what you say in your rap's, what you do
so they feel, as part of your obligation to fulfill,
when they see you on the streets, face to face, are you for real,
in confrontation ain't no conversation, if you feel you're in violation,
any hesitation'll get you killed, if you feel it, kill it,
if you conceal it, reveal it, being reasonable will leave you full of bullets,
pull it, squeeze it, till it's empty, tempt me, push me, pussies,
I need a good reason to give this trigger a good squeeze...



I could pull out the drink, and be good 'till it's relavent but
I'm a straight solider, I'll roll up a nigga, like its Heaven sent
Tripping over dead presidents, they got these derelicts
I throw was down with this business, Tryin' clown and get a cent
and so rather than stand forever, been thinking
drinking over a felony and hell of me
and how it will be some other shit,
People telling me to cool out, But they ain't feeling me
a mutha fuckin fool 'bout my fuckin cheddar cheese
and it pleases, passion of mine, Thuggin huggin plenty of G's
and laughing while I pass through times
And all thes back stabbers be watchin, Just keep it plain
I'm a keep it the same partner, Just take it the simple game
I can pinkle with the rain twinkling, diamonds and thangs go plinklin
enough to hold me, til' I'm, old and wrinklin
and These adversaries, they gonna have to be worrying
cuz I'm a be illing, Fufillin my Passion
Till I'm burryin' My Thug Passion


You decide..

[Emadyville]

I understand what you're trying to do with comparing verses, but like Tash said, different people influencing different groups of people, in different time periods. Although it seems to make sense to compare verse for verse, it's just too hard with this example. And like Chet said, all opinion.

[Evan C.]

Here is a better comparison, Eminem >>> Pac:


[2Pac]
They claim that I'm violent, just cause I refuse to be silent
These hypocrites are havin fits, cause I'm not buyin it
Defyin it, envious because I will rebel against
any oppressor, and this is known as self defense
I show no mercy, they claim that I'm the lunatic
But when the shit gets thick, I'm the one you go and get
Don't look confused, the truth is so plain to see
Cause I'm the nigga that you sell-outs are ashamed to be
In every Jeep and every car, brothers stomp this
I'm Never Ignorant, Getting Goals Accomplished
The underground railroad on an uprise
This time the truth's gettin told, heard enough lies
I told em fight back, attack on society
If this is violence, then violent's what I gotta be
If you investigate you'll find out where it's comin from
Look through our history, America's the violent one
Unlock my brain, break the chains of your misery
This time the payback for evil shit you did to me
They call me militant, racist cause I will resist
You wanna censor somethin, motherfucker censor this!
My words are weapons, and I'm steppin to the silent
Wakin up the masses, but you, claim that I'm violent

[2Pac]
The cops can't stand me, but they can't touch me
Call me a dope man, cause I rock dope beats
Jacked by the police, didn't have my ID
I said, "Excuse me, why you tryin to rob me?"
He had tha nerve to, say that I had a curfew
(Do you know what time it is?
Get out the fucking car, or I'll hurt you!)
"Get out the car... or I'lI hurt you"
So here I go, I better make my mind up
Pick my nine up, or hit the line-up
I chose B, stepped into the streets
The first cop grabbed me, the other ripped my seat
They grabbed my homie and they threw him to the concrete
(Ay man.. aiyyo.. ay man just c'mon ?)
("What you doin man?") They tried to frame me
They tried to say I had some dope in the back seat
But I'm a rap fiend, not a crack fiend
My homie panicked ("I'm out") he tried to run
(Freeze nigga!) I heard a bullet fire from the cop's gun
My homie dropped so, I hit the cop
I kept swingin, yo, I couldn't stop
Before I knew it, I was beatin the cop senseless
The other cop dropped his gun, he was defenseless
(? Arrrrggggh, fuck you! Ungggh!)
Now I'm against this cop who was racist
Given him a taste, of tradin places
And all this, cause the peckerwood was tryin this
frame up, but I came up
Now they claimin that I'm violent

[Chorus]

[2Pac]
As I was beatin on a cop, I heard a gun click (uh-ohh)
Then the gun shot, but I wasn't hit
I turned around it was my homie with the gun in hand
He shot the cop (damn!) now he's a dead man
I said, come on, it's time for us to get away
(Let's go, we gotta get the fuck outta here)
They called for backup, and they'll be on their way
Jumped in the car, and tried to get away quick
The car wouldn't start (damn!) we in deep shit
So we jumped out (C'mon let's take the cop's car)
We drove a little ways thinkin that we got far
But I looked up, and all I saw was blue lights
If I die tonight, I'm dying in a gunfight
I grabed the AK, my homie took the 12 gauge
Load em up quick, it's time for us to spray
We'll shoot em up with they own fuckin weapons
And when we through sprayin (audi) then we steppin
This is a lesson, to the rednecks and crooked cops
You fuck with real niggaz, get ya fuckin ass dropped
So here we go, the police against us
Dark as dusk, waitin for the guns to bust (What's next man?)
What's next, I don't know and I don't care
One things fo' sho', tommorrow I won't be here
But if I go, I'm takin all these punks with me
Pass me a clip G, now come and get me
You wanna sweat me, never get me to be silent
Givin them a reason, (a reason) to claim that I'm violent...

vs.

[Eminem]
Left the keys in the van, with a gat in each hand
Went up in Eastland and shot a policeman
Fuck a peace plan of citizen bystands
But shit is in my hands, here's your life span
For what your life's worth this money is twice than
Grab a couple grand and live a nice land
See I'm a nice man but money turned me to Satan
I'm thirsty for this green so bad I'm dehydratin'
Hurry up with the cash bitch, I got a ride waitin'
Shot a man twice in the back when he tried escapin'
I want the whole pie, I won't be denied nathan
Maybe I need my head inside straightened
Brain contemplatin', clean out the register
Dip before somebody catches ya
Or gets ya description an' sketches ya
The connection was the prime suspect
But I ain't set to flee the scene of the crime just yet
Cuz I got a daughter to feed
And $200 ain't enough to water the seed
The best thing would be for me to leave Taco Bell an' hit up Chess King
And have the lady at the desk bring
Money from the safe in the back, stepped in wavin' the Mac
Cooperate and we can operate and save an attack
This bitch tried escapin' the jack
Grabbed her by the throat, it's murder she wrote
You barely heard a word as she choked
It wasn't nuttin' for her to be smoked
But I slammed her on her back 'til her vertebrae broke
Just then the pigs bust in yellin' "Freeze!"
But I'm already wanted for sellin' keys
And bunch of other felonies from A to Z like spellin' bees
So before I dropped to the ground and fell on knees
I bust shots, they bust back
Hit the square in the chest, he wasn't wearin' a vest

[CHORUS 2x]

Left the house, pullin' out the drive backin' out
Need a backin' out this lady's Jag started blackin' out
Pulled the Mac-10 out, stuck it in her face
Shut ya yackin' mouth before I blow the brain from out the back ya scalp
Drug her by her hair, smacked her up
Thinkin' fuck it, mug her while you're there, jacked her up
Stole her car, made a profit
Grabbed the tape from out the deck and offed it out the window
Like the girl on Set It Off did
Jetted off kid, stole the whip, now I'm a criminal
Drove in thru somebody's yard, dove into they swimmin' pool
Climbed out and collapsed on the patio
I made it out alive but I'm injured badly though
Parents screamin': "Son, go in and call the police
Tell 'em there's a crazy man disturbing all of the peace!"
Tried to stall him at least long enough to let me leap up
Run in they crib and at least leave with some little cheap stuff
Actin' like they never seen nobody hit a nick before
Smashed the window, grabbed the Nintendo 64
When they sell out in stores the price triples
I ran up the block jumpin' kids on tricycles
And colliding with an 80-year old lady with groceries
There goes the cheese, eggs, milk and Post Toasties
Stood up and started to see stars
Too many siren sounds, it seemed like a thousand police cars
Barely escaped, must-a been some dumb luck
Jumped up and climbed the back of a movin' dump truck
But I think somebody seen me maybe
Plus I lost the damn Nintendo and I must-a dropped the Beanie Baby
Fuck it I give up, I'm surrounded in blue suits
Came out with a white flag hollerin' "TRUCE TRUCE!"
Surrendered my weapon to cops
Wasn't me! It was the gangsta rap and the peppermint Schnopps

[Evan C.]

If you don't like pac then you don't like him, just please stop telling us how eminem is the rebirth of jesus christ lol

I will when I stop hearing all "Pac is the best" BS.

[<Stiiccy>]

If you don't like pac then you don't like him, just please stop telling us how eminem is the rebirth of jesus christ lol

I will when I stop hearing all "Pac is the best" BS.

people are gonna like who they wanta like...it has nothing to do with "whos the best rapper" hell i could say vanilla ice is the best ever and if i really felt that way, then i wouldnt give a fuck what you say...
people believe Pac is the best, is because he was one of the first rappers that kids from the ghetto could relate to, and there fore they will say hes the best....

now eminem on the other hand.......people believe he is the best, is because he was one of the first rappers that white kids could relate to, there fore they will say hes the best.....

its all about opinion...
but all in all no one is the best
its all opinion

[Tash8]

umm dude, people have different opinons on who's best...

in his prime i thougght eminem was the best... overall best you can't deny the talents of rakim and such...

[Evan C.]

well, i think your opinions are wrong.

saying 2pac is the best rapper ever is like saying Gilbert Arenas or Tracy McGrady is best basketball player ever...dumb.

[Tash8]

i think ur retarded... cuz opinions can't be wrong dumb fuck

just shut the fuck up before getting yourself killed

2pac is great, you dont' like him? great i couldn't care less, but stop being irrational and learn to live with it.. 2pac is one of the greatest rappers ever...

ur like the exact replica of eminem haters who say eminem wasn't one of the best.

[<Stiiccy>]

yeah, man if you dont like pac keep it to yourself dont go out bashing him.. thats retarded with any artist you dont like
Pac was and still is the most successfull rapper of all time...whether you hate him or you love him..you cant deny that

[Evan C.]

i think ur retarded... cuz opinions can't be wrong dumb fuck

just shut the fuck up before getting yourself killed

2pac is great, you dont' like him? great i couldn't care less, but stop being irrational and learn to live with it.. 2pac is one of the greatest rappers ever...

ur like the exact replica of eminem haters who say eminem wasn't one of the best.

LOL, threatening to kill me over the internet? someone has anger issues.

And I actually do like Tupac, but I just know he's overrated as fuck.