Keys to the city

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^ all points taken, and i agree with most

i just dislike'd the whole "hes always been lyrical" comment that the discussion started with.

basically what you said about the nas albums is why eminem's dip annoys me a whole lot more.

Some of them don't have the same skill level, vibe or concepts as Illmatic or Stillmatic, but they're all "Above Average" imo

eminem, dropped to average on alot of tracks on encore, and i was still positive, then his collab verses went below average, touchdown being way below average (imo) and then his re-up offerings being average (with no apologies being above average)

its sorta like when you got a favourite artists becuase they are good then they just stop being good its annoying, what annoys me more is the people who act as if he didnt drop dip in form, witch is why when we are in these discussion i always get perceived as negative.

You can't compare those guys to Eminem, because they've never risen to his heights. It's easy to be consistent when you're not successful. When you're on top of the world, it's a lot harder to stay at that level. You are judging rappers just by lyrical skills, that's naive. It takes more than that to be a truly great rapper. You have to have it all. Jay-Z and EMinem are top of the food chain, because they can do everything. Club songs, concept storytelling, lyrical exhibition shit, chart toppers, personal emotional stuff, you have to be able to do everything to be the greatest. When the above performers you mentioned can do all this, and make it pallatable for the whole world to want to listen to it, get back to me, cos that's real talent.

i agree witch is why i said about it, i cant say these guys would crumble coz i dont know the future so maybe they are bad examples, but they are the only few i could think off lol

and and about jay-z im complete bias when talking about him coz i just dont like him, i dunno why some of his stuff is ok but i just never liked him so i shouldnt really comment lol

But didn't you "include "Hailey's Song" as one of the songs you don't mind having simplistic lyrics? My question was asking what "Serious" songs did he continue using simplistic lyrics with?, and by "serious" what do you mean? Serious subject matter, or serious emcee type shit?

as serious i ment not pop crossovers or club tracks, and he hasnt did it on any serious tracks, again i wasnt commenting on eminem it was just a comment so people know i aint hating on non lyrical music lol

[SayGoodbyeHollywood]

damnn yo not how i thought this topic was gonna be talked about but w.e lol

[4D]

Too lazy to do all the quoting shit, and nothing left to argue about anyway it seems , we have reached an understanding, or at least we agree to disagree.

I agree with ya about what you said about Encore there, and the follow up collabs. I was also positive but depressed with the collabs he did after that. Which is why his decline as Mr. Perfect has to be tracked back to Encore, and the weak songs he did on that. But, about The RE-UP I disagree, I think Eminem was great on that Mixtape (And we should remember that it was just a mixtape, probably his best). Every track he was on, his flow was on fire, "We're Back" (Kinda reminds me of his first verse on "When The Music Stops" or "The Most Shady", all attitude and flow perfection to the beat), "You Don't Know" (One of their best collabs in recent years, it's a guilty pleasure, I know I shouldn't like it, but it's just fuckin good), "Public Enemy No.1" (Fuckin love that, except for a weak ending line), "No Apologies" (Nuffsaid, we know they're old verses, but the hook and the verses go together like Beans 'n toast). And also "Jimmy Crack Corn" deserves a lot of respect for being a concept song, and staying lyrical too. It gave me a lot of promise for a new album, and the only downer since has been a few shit collabs, with shit artists. I don't think they mean a lot in the big picture.


About Jay-Z, i`m on the same page. Don't like him, never really enjoyed his stuff. But his talent and success is undeniable, they call him the Michael Jordan of Rap, because he has no weaknesses. Eminem is the only other rapper imo on that level. A lot of hardcore Jay-Z fans will say they don't like Eminem and I believe them, 'cos everybody has different taste's, but few (If they're honest) will doubt Eminem is up there with Jay-z when it comes to being the best of the best.

basically what you said about the nas albums is why eminem's dip annoys me a whole lot more.

Yeah, it annoys me a whole lot more too. But Encore, imo, is still a better album than Nas's below par efforts. The Good songs on Encore are better than the good songs on the weaker Nas albums, and there's more of them. Unfortunately, on Encore there are 1 or 2 dreadful songs, there aren't any like that on Nas's, because he doesn't have fun, he doesn't take risks. He's starting to, with albums like "Hip Hop Is Dead" and "Nigger", but that's a different type of risk. They're credible risks, that he'll probably find a legitimate way to justify naming an album "Nigger".

"Fack" for all it's weaknesses, is funny as fuck, and balls to the wall "I Don't Give A Fuck". A lot of rappers say "I Don't give a fuck", not many back it up. Unfortunately these crazy ideas and risks can backfire.

[Kez]

I feel sorry for 4D's and Bar's keyboards.

[Xray]

I feel sorry for 4D's and Bar's keyboards.

[SajN]

Damn, it was an interesting read from the both sides

[lakaisx]

this is bullshit, months passed and still no street single

[Solace]

Erm...Do those long ass posts have anythin' to do with Keys To The City? I doubt it... And I really think people shouldn't put down The Re-Up. Eminem was sick on that mixtape

[Epidemik]

primo on the beat??
i'd be pretty hard for em to fuck this one up...
if he does.. its evident he fell off!

[Kez]

Erm...Do those long ass posts have anythin' to do with Keys To The City? I doubt it... And I really think people shouldn't put down The Re-Up. Eminem was sick on that mixtape

Lol did you even read them?

[M-Pyre]

mark my words, eminem will never let a dj premier beat be on his album.
shit,I'd bed my life on that!

[Solace]

Erm...Do those long ass posts have anythin' to do with Keys To The City? I doubt it... And I really think people shouldn't put down The Re-Up. Eminem was sick on that mixtape

Lol did you even read them?

Only some Okay none If i read one sentence randomly theyre like saying what eminem song is shit (i just read something saying just lose it sucks). Now that doesnt sound like Keys To The City

[Shady88]

is it a fact that there will be a single?i imissed that...tell me

[Epidemik]

mark my words, eminem will never let a dj premier beat be on his album.
shit,I'd bed my life on that!

why wouldnt he?? primo one of the sickes dj's ever.

[B.A.D.]

I dont really beleive that track will exist

rappers now a days talk a lot of shit just for publicity