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Does every invention create a new problem?

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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby AliJack » Nov 24th, '09, 19:33

Jiskefet wrote:
Coleon wrote:
MeathookSodomy wrote:No.
Every problem creates a new invention.


i think this sums it up best


But not every invention was a problem before, yet can create one.

Actually, Necessity is the mother of invention.
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Nov 24th, '09, 19:42

But then again, invention is the mother of necessity.

Humankind tends to confuse wants with needs.
Jiskefet is ultimately right, simply because it is impossible for man to be truly satisfied.
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 25th, '09, 00:22

We are close to answering the main question here I think guys...

"Yes. Every invention does create a new problem. If not the concequences of the invention itself create the problem, the inventors of it never being satisfied with what they invented do."

Are we getting somewhere here?
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Nov 25th, '09, 01:32

Jiskefet wrote:We are close to answering the main question here I think guys...

"Yes. Every invention does create a new problem. If not the concequences of the invention itself create the problem, the inventors of it never being satisfied with what they invented do."

Are we getting somewhere here?

Think of it like a mathematical equation
Let x=any problem
Let y=any solution
This is the equation:
x+y=y+x
So:
(problem)+(solution to problem)=(solution created)+(new problem)
Since x+y=y+x with a 100% probability rate, x+y=y+x becomes a mathematical law
If the equation x+y=y+x were to be graphed, its representative would be a line with no origin, stretching past infinity on a plane.
So it's a neverending cycle that works both ways, or else the equation will deviate and a constant could not be decided.
So the answer is yes, but that's only half of the full equation, the other half being the inverse of your thesis.
Make sense?
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Bistnal » Nov 25th, '09, 04:46

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:
Jiskefet wrote:We are close to answering the main question here I think guys...

"Yes. Every invention does create a new problem. If not the concequences of the invention itself create the problem, the inventors of it never being satisfied with what they invented do."

Are we getting somewhere here?

Think of it like a mathematical equation
Let x=any problem
Let y=any solution
This is the equation:
x+y=y+x
So:
(problem)+(solution to problem)=(solution created)+(new problem)
Since x+y=y+x with a 100% probability rate, x+y=y+x becomes a mathematical law
If the equation x+y=y+x were to be graphed, its representative would be a line with no origin, stretching past infinity on a plane.
So it's a neverending cycle that works both ways, or else the equation will deviate and a constant could not be decided.
So the answer is yes, but that's only half of the full equation, the other half being the inverse of your thesis.
Make sense?

:confusion: Wow, I actually followed that. That's really interesting. You sure spent a lot of time thinking this through. So in other words, the answer to the topic's question is YES, every invention does end up creating a new problem (with the solution it creates).
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby gutawafang » Nov 25th, '09, 04:52

it does create problems but it solves problems too.

For instance, buses are invented to transport lots of people. Initially it was only a car. ETC ETC.




Then there's this website invented that gathers Eminem fans from all over the world. It solves problems for most because the site is the place they need to get latest info of Eminem. But then again, it creates problems for the Mods because of Bots. So yeah, it solves and creates problems.
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 25th, '09, 16:56

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:
Jiskefet wrote:We are close to answering the main question here I think guys...

"Yes. Every invention does create a new problem. If not the concequences of the invention itself create the problem, the inventors of it never being satisfied with what they invented do."

Are we getting somewhere here?

Think of it like a mathematical equation
Let x=any problem
Let y=any solution
This is the equation:
x+y=y+x
So:
(problem)+(solution to problem)=(solution created)+(new problem)
Since x+y=y+x with a 100% probability rate, x+y=y+x becomes a mathematical law
If the equation x+y=y+x were to be graphed, its representative would be a line with no origin, stretching past infinity on a plane.
So it's a neverending cycle that works both ways, or else the equation will deviate and a constant could not be decided.
So the answer is yes, but that's only half of the full equation, the other half being the inverse of your thesis.
Make sense?


Yes that makes good sense. If you would put your formula to the test in a very simple practical example you would get:
(Steam engine too heavy)+(Much lighter combustion engine)=(Combustion engines using fossil resources)+(Environmental problems)

This formula would work perfectly then. This is a linear function, but in some cases it is possible, to have a solution wich creates several problems, so X is variable I think.

Maybe there will ever be a solution wich ends with only the left side of the formula, who knows.
I like the way you figured this out. :y:
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Emadyville » Nov 25th, '09, 20:12

Yeah there can be nothing made or created without making new problems, even if the creation is a solution to another problem. The reason being everyone has an opinion, I could say this creation gives a problem with whatever, when to everyone else it doesn't...I hope that made sense lol good topic btw :y:
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 25th, '09, 22:55

^Yeah that makes sense, some problems are a problem purely based on undenyable facts, in some subjectivity is a inportant factor. Eventually it will be important enough for someone to do something about it, even if its a problem to only one person. Its still a problem.
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby emzee-frenzy » Nov 26th, '09, 19:15

an invention that has brought nothing but good and is bringing it every day is the Hubble telescope, with it we can see stars and galaxies millions of light-years away.
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 26th, '09, 22:57

Coleon wrote:
emzee-frenzy wrote:an invention that has brought nothing but good and is bringing it every day is the Hubble telescope, with it we can see stars and galaxies millions of light-years away.


lol for 3 billion dollars we can have an invention without a problem


And the 3 billion dollars beiing the problem at the same time...
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Emadyville » Nov 26th, '09, 23:35

Jiskefet wrote:
Coleon wrote:
emzee-frenzy wrote:an invention that has brought nothing but good and is bringing it every day is the Hubble telescope, with it we can see stars and galaxies millions of light-years away.


lol for 3 billion dollars we can have an invention without a problem


And the 3 billion dollars beiing the problem at the same time...


yeah so um fuck :whistle:
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby bullet_boy46 » Nov 27th, '09, 04:41

a-hm, a-hm... :coffee:
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Nov 27th, '09, 14:54

emzee-frenzy wrote:an invention that has brought nothing but good and is bringing it every day is the Hubble telescope, with it we can see stars and galaxies millions of light-years away.

Past servicing missions have exchanged old instruments for new ones, both avoiding failure and making possible new types of science. Without servicing missions, all of the instruments will eventually fail.
Hubble orbits the Earth in the extremely tenuous upper atmosphere, and over time its orbit decays due to drag. If it is not re-boosted by a shuttle or other means, it will re-enter the Earth's atmosphere sometime between 2019 and 2032, with the exact date depending on how active the Sun is and its impact on the upper atmosphere.

The problem lies in its maintainence.
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Re: Does every invention create a new problem?

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 27th, '09, 21:46

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:
emzee-frenzy wrote:an invention that has brought nothing but good and is bringing it every day is the Hubble telescope, with it we can see stars and galaxies millions of light-years away.

Past servicing missions have exchanged old instruments for new ones, both avoiding failure and making possible new types of science. Without servicing missions, all of the instruments will eventually fail.
Hubble orbits the Earth in the extremely tenuous upper atmosphere, and over time its orbit decays due to drag. If it is not re-boosted by a shuttle or other means, it will re-enter the Earth's atmosphere sometime between 2019 and 2032, with the exact date depending on how active the Sun is and its impact on the upper atmosphere.

The problem lies in its maintainence.


Yes indeed. Besides that, the Hubble telescope is just a very expensive telescope not a new invention itself, telescopes were invented like 400 years ago. It might consist of a few new inventions to make it all work up there tough.

Then comes the question; does this telescope actually solve any problem, or is it just fulfilling a tiny bit of our seemingly endless hunger for knowledge?
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