God doesn't exist

[Elision]

There either is, or is not a creator. We do not have a definite answer, but we hope to in the future.

However, this does not put the probability on a 50/50 scale. We can make very good assumptions based on what evidence we do have.

Sam Harris published this, which is a very good read. And I strongly advise doing so. =P

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harri ... _8459.html


Enjoy.

[Sophie]

So trying to prove that god doesn't exist is pretty much pointless

There's no proof that he does, no proof that he doesn't, so nobody can say he exists like it's fact.

Until there's some sort of proof, i don't believe it.

[EminemBase]

Also, don't say your opinion like it's fact. People have their believes, respect them for it as they will to you. Don't set yourself up for a rocky ride here, if you've been here for a year you'd know how to act on a forum right? Just because there isn't proof that he exists, doesn't mean there won't be in the future. I don't believe in God myself, but i like the idea of it, and respect the people that believe in God.

Um excuse me, I wouldn't say it's 'opinion' that there's no god. The claim has been persistent for thousands of years and not one shred of evidence has appeared. It's also impossible by its very nature. So I'd say that's as close to definitive as we get with anything.

Would you say it's 'opinion' that human beings can't fly? If somebody claimed that they could fly to you but they refused to show you and had no evidence of it... I assume you wouldn't believe them. You'd also consider it impossible by its very nature so naturally say they can't fly. Would you then say it's their 'opinion' that they can fly, it's 50/50, you 'respect' them for making the claim but not proving it.

Society has completely bought into this nonsense that religion deserves respect. Why? If you like Eminem and hate pop music, do you 'respect' somebody who loves Britney Spears or rather... Tip-toe around it and pay them exaggerated respect for their taste? No, with anything else people debate each other and are much more offensive than anyone ever is with religion.

The proposal of a god doesn't deserve anymore respect than any other unprovable, impossible claim. You can give it so if you like but it's not arrogant to treat ridiculous claims as ridiculous. That's what they are. It's arrogant to make the claims, not prove them, say you don't need to prove them but just expect everyone else so accept and respect them. THAT is arrogant. Religion is the thing that's been proposing itself as fact for centuries. Brainwashing innocent children.

I'm also glad it's not true and can't understand why you like the idea of it. Really? Idea of which god exactly. The god of the bible? A violent, jealous, petty, vindictive dictator who's core and obsessive request is that you believe in him. This god is allmighty, allpowerful and eternally intelligent yet he has a superiority-complex and such self-esteem issues that his one true worry is you not thinking he exists.

This god can also read your every thought and punishes you for thinking thinks. Thought crime. You like the idea of a powerful dictator watching your every waking breath, 24/7 and punishing you for THOUGHTS. You're also born into sin you had no hand to, can't escape and must apologize for. You have to spend your life grovelling and apologizing to this god for nothings, a god you have no reason to think is there. A god who could end all this debate with one showing of proof yet continues to let wars be fought in his name and people endlessly row and squabble over different forms of belief.

Not only that, the fun only begins when you die. As, if you didn't spend your entire life worshipping him, accepting yourself as nothing more than a worthless puppet under his control that must pray and ask its master for things which never come, he will send you to burn forever. All eternity.

Well excuse me if I say I DON'T like this idea and I do not respect people who believe it or wish it true. So I'm glad it's not. Just because you can't 'disprove' something doesn't make it likely. You only can't disprove god because the idea itself places itself outside of logic as we know it. That doesn't mean it's likely or you should seriously consider it. We all say in practice that humans can't rise from the dead. You can actually call impossible things impossible and not be arrogant. It's arrogant to say you don't need to prove them.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

Yo, EmBase, are these the theories and arguments that're going in your Atheism book?

[ra1n]

There is no evidence to prove or disprove that God(s) or Harry Potter exists, but it is highly unlikely that either of them do.


EminemBase pretty much ethered the entire thread so I'll leave you with some of my favorite quotes.


"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously."

- Albert Einstein

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."

- Albert Einstein

"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by "God" one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."

- Carl Sagan

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking."

- Carl Sagan

"What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary."

- Stephen Hawking

"Demons do not exist any more than gods do, being only the products of the psychic activity of man."

- Sigmund Freud

[EminemBase]

Yo, EmBase, are these the theories and arguments that're going in your Atheism book?

Um, some of them yeah but somewhat more eloquently I hope haha.

Thanks 'ra1n' lmao 'ethered the thread'. Nice.

[classthe_king]

i hope you ain't gettin any presents tommoro

[EminemBase]

^ Okay... Don't get the point of that post or what you meant by it...

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

There is one fact that no one on this planet can deny: They were there, and we weren't. They being the people who witnessed the birth of Christ, the teachings of Christ, the crucifixion of Christ, and maybe the resurrection of Christ (if it occurred). No one knows exactly what happened back then, but I do know that whatever it was must of been pretty fucking remarkable seeing that its impressions have lasted over 2000 years and has the largest following in human history.

As far as anyone else going at it here, please have the courtesy of remembering that it's Christmas morning, and a heated theological debate doesn't bode well for either camp.

Whether you're a theist or an atheist I have love for you just the same, and I'm happy knowing just that much.

[EminemBase]

There is one fact that no one on this planet can deny: They were there, and we weren't. They being the people who witnessed the birth of Christ, the teachings of Christ, the crucifixion of Christ, and maybe the resurrection of Christ (if it occurred). No one knows exactly what happened back then, but I do know that whatever it was must of been pretty fucking remarkable seeing that its impressions have lasted over 2000 years and has the largest following in human history.

As far as anyone else going at it here, please have the courtesy of remembering that it's Christmas morning, and a heated theological debate doesn't bode well for either camp.

Whether you're a theist or an atheist I have love for you just the same, and I'm happy knowing just that much.

Haha what! Everything in the Bible is myth. There is zero evidence Jesus Christ existed but lots to suggest he was a total myth.

Also lots of reason to think Jesus was nothing but another 'Sun God' created by Pagans. They created hundreds and hundreds.

So you saying it's a fact nobody can deny... Well, I deny it. It's in no way a fact lmao. There is no proof Jesus existed, lots of proof that his disproved the majority of the Bible stories and of course most of them are just plain impossible. It's a book of junk.

'the birth of jesus' is in no way a fact.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

Merry Christmas to you too!

[EminemBase]

^ Happy gift day.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

It's alright, you and I already discussed this topic in my "come... philosophise" thread on your site, so I already know how adamant you are.
Keep it up.

[EminemBase]

^ Oh it's you. Where'd ya go lol.

[Drama Setter]

God Is in your within , God is actually what you think