God doesn't exist

[mcZu]

It's called the evolution theory for a reason, because it's a theory....

[Eminem4Life1006]

^ Yes but then you have to concede god is a delusion.

In fact you don't even have to concede that, that's just a fact.

Definition of a delusion:
an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

That is the definition of the belief in god. God is a belief, for which there is no evidence and enormous apposing evidence to the contrary to every religious book... That millions still believe. Some believe their books as literal. These people are, by definition, deluded.

So if you want to believe it, fine. But it should not be taught in schools as an alternative for how we got here, how life came to be or anything of the sorts.

I too went to a religious school, moderate but a Roman Catholic one never the less. I have never believed in god, I actually remember being as young as 7 or 8 and just thinking "this is obviously not true" and I was the bane of my religious teachers' lives lmao.

But it discourages debate, it teaches that this is the truth, the unquestionable truth and there is no debate to be had. And religion also teaches faith is not only a good thing but that's it's superior to believing with evidence. It teaches that faith is a virtue.

This is why I appose it as strongly as I do. This is not a good mindset to teach to children. It's in fact more than not good, it's irresponsible and detrimental to young, developing minds. We should encourage independent, critical thinking. Not closed-minded, one-road answers.

I agree that it shouldn't be taught as the number one truth that should be held by everybody. It should still be taught to a degree to give others a bit of knowledge of what other people followed in the past and still do follow and in the end it comes down to decisions, faith, beliefs. If children want to believe in it I'm not going to get in the way of it because it's their opinions and I have no reason to try to make them see different or change it. Some others might just be stubborn and might not want to care or hear of anything denying their religion. Yes we should encourage independent thinking, but how many schools actually do encourage that? Some schools are just thick-headed and pretty go by 'what we teach is right, and if you don't believe it your wrong and might be punished for it'. I respect your opinion about freedom of speech/religion. You know a lot about this stuff , I am not a very good debater on the other hand, just cause I don't feel like I hold the right amount of information to back up some of my ideas.

[EminemBase]

It's called the evolution theory for a reason, because it's a theory....

My goodness. You are wrong, I'll start with that.

This is why people like Dawkins of recent have been trying to stop Science using the word 'theory' with Evolution as it creates a public misconception.

Evolution is a FACT. Evolution is as proven and documented a fact as we've ever known. There is zero debate about whether or not Evolution happened within Science. Evolution could not be proved more. There is absolutely no doubt that it's true, got that? Okay.

It's called a theory as is any fact in science because Scientists aren't arrogant. They use this word because it's a set of facts that point to this conclusion but nothing is every considered totally and unquestionably proven in science. Gravity is also called a theory.

But this out of humility on sciences' part, not on a single doubt in the theory of Evolution. Evolution is a fact.

[mcZu]

It's called the evolution theory for a reason, because it's a theory....

My goodness. You are wrong, I'll start with that.

This is why people like Dawkins of recent have been trying to stop Science using the word 'theory' with Evolution as it creates a public misconception.

Evolution is a FACT. Evolution is as proven and documented a fact as we've ever known. There is zero debate about whether or not Evolution happened within Science. Evolution could not be proved more. There is absolutely no doubt that it's true, got that? Okay.

It's called a theory as is any fact in science because Scientists aren't arrogant. They use this word because it's a set of facts that point to this conclusion but nothing is every considered totally and unquestionably proven in science. Gravity is also called a theory.

But this out of humility on sciences' part, not on a single doubt in the theory of Evolution. Evolution is a fact.

Mind posting that 'evidence' you're talking about?

[EminemBase]

Mind posting that 'evidence' you're talking about?

Sure, no problem. Not that it's my duty to educate an ignorant bigot such as yourself but I'll give it a shot. I can tell you're ignorant by the way, not only by the fact you don't know the evidence but that you doubt its validity as revealed by your placing of quote marks around the word itself.

Bigotry of the most putrid kind. Doubting evidence you haven't even looked at. Great start. Similar to reaching a verdict without hearing the facts. Placing a man on death row out of personal conviction.

Okay, evidence for Evolution:

Molecular DNA
All living creatures. All living things, share the same DNA code. We can quite literally, for example, take our DNA and compare it to that of a Chimpanzee. What we can see is that we're around 98% similar and we can literally point out specific genes that create the differences we see.

Fact is, every living vessel on this planet shares exactly the same DNA code. This of course is because we all share a common ancestor, we all derived from one form of life, this is why we share - The same fundamental make-up.

Geographical Distribution of Species
It could be no other way. Every species is where it should be, if we evolved.

If it were to be found that a certain animal that could not naturally survive in a certain part, was found in said part - This would pose a problem to Evolution by Natural Selection.

This has never happened. Every species is in the exact environment it should be, if it had evolved to survive and adapt to that environment. Not one single case contradicts this.

Fossil Record
Our grand, incredible fossil record shows consistent and uncanny similarities between all living creatures. Again, as you'd expect, if we'd all evolved from a common ancestor.

Creationists keep ranting this insane "where are the intermediate fossils" chant, not realizing that what they're saying is complete babble. They of course listen to each other and re-chant.

There are plenty of intermediate fossils. We have a vast, conclusive fossil record. They of course also don't realize, that even if we didn't have a single fossil, the evidence for Evolution would still make it as hard a fact as any. Fossils are just a bonus. The icing on the cake.

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I've of course condensed each mini-section down otherwise I'd be here for hours. Each section delves a lot deeper, specifically the DNA and fossil records. And there is absolute mountains upon mountains of facts within facts that all point to one conclusion = Evolution by natural selection.

We can even explain the specific evolution of limbs, eyes, of every creature, every species. You name it. It's all there, beautiful and grand. Nature is far more wonderful than the imagined too (god).

So if you want to eventually vacate your comfortable little shell of ignorance and actually look at the facts. The evidence. Some of which have been present since Darwin presented them 150 years ago, then you will understand (maybe) that Evolution is a fact.

It's not a matter of opinion. It's as much a fact as any fact documented by Science. Only people who don't know or don't understand the evidence deny this.

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Nobody can prove or disprove it, so it's just a matter of faith or religion.

So many people look down on people who believe in God, hell I look up to them. If I had enough blind faith to believe in a higher power I would most likely be a more happy person.

This seems to be the mantre of the believer or unbeliever who doesn't want to 'offend' now.

"Nobody can prove OR disprove it"

There are millions of things we cannot disprove Chet, that does not put the probability of their existence at 50/50 or make them probable, at all.

Neither can we 'disprove' fairies. Would you say that it's probable they exist though and you respect people who say they do? I would hope not. We can conclusively say, there are no fairies. Why? Because there is no evidence for them and they defy logic by their nature.

God has been disproved as much as the claim conclusively can be. We can't say there 100% isn't anything again though, that doesn't make it likely. We just have to say we can't say 100% out of humility.

We can conclusively say there is no god as confidently as we can say there is no Santa and that human beings cannot defy gravity. I'm also surprised you 'look up to' people who base their life on blind faith. Again, people have been bamboozled into thinking faith is a good thing.

Irrational, blind faith in something for its sake isn't a virtue. It's dangerous and silly. By its very nature. It causes maniacs to think they're on a mission for god or that they can get to that 'special place' a little bit quicker. Blind faith in anything for the sake of it, is ridiculous.

It's not something to admire, it's something to be ashamed of. It's detrimental to a healthy state of mind. As proven by history. Over and over again. And continued.

[mcZu]

I'm a bigot? You're the one who is intolerant to everyone who has an opinion that slightly differs from yours, so, what does that make you?

And as far for the 'evidence', there is no solid scienitifc proof for evolution you moron. According to the theory it takes millions of years before the actual phenomena of evolution takes place. The 'evidence' you just posted is far from evidence, so according to that logic, evolution is fact and God doesn't exist? Isn't it more likely that, because we all share a common DNA code, that we are created by an entity that intended to create a life based on a similar idea?

Btw, chromosomes never change, even over time they don't. The amount of chromosomes a human being has is 46, and an ape has 48. Even our good old friend Darwin couldn't fathom that fact.

Everything you said up until now does not proof evolution, nor does it disproof the existence of a God.

[EminemBase]

I'm a bigot? You're the one who is intolerant to everyone who has an opinion that slightly differs from yours, so, what does that make you?

And as far for the 'evidence', there is no solid scienitifc proof for evolution you moron. According to the theory it takes millions of years before the actual phenomena of evolution takes place. The 'evidence' you just posted is far from evidence

Yes you are a bigot.

Evolution is not an opinion. It's not my opinion that Evolution happened no more than it's an opinion that we breath air to live.

I think we can stop the discussion right here as this statement:
"There is no solid scientific proof for evolution"

Proves that you are an unquestionable, bigoted, complete and utter credulous IDIOT of immeasurable heights. There is no hope for people as ignorant as you.

You're on my ignore list. I can't have a serious discussion with people like you, you're too cemented in your unprovable, irrational babble and so much so that you even deny plain fact.

You deny proven, absolute fact. You're 100% deluded. Quite literally, insane. Goodbye.

[mcZu]

I'm a bigot? You're the one who is intolerant to everyone who has an opinion that slightly differs from yours, so, what does that make you?

And as far for the 'evidence', there is no solid scienitifc proof for evolution you moron. According to the theory it takes millions of years before the actual phenomena of evolution takes place. The 'evidence' you just posted is far from evidence

Yes you are a bigot.

Evolution is not an opinion. It's not my opinion that Evolution happened no more than it's an opinion that we breath air to live.

I think we can stop the discussion right here as this statement:
"There is no solid scientific proof for evolution"

Proves that you are an unquestionable, bigoted, complete and utter credulous IDIOT of immeasurable heights. There is no hope for people as ignorant as you.

You're on my ignore list. I can't have a serious discussion with people like you, you're too cemented in your unprovable, irrational babble and so much so that you even deny plain fact.

You deny proven, absolute fact. You're 100% deluded. Quite literally, insane. Goodbye.

It seems you neglected the whole chromosomes point, which is a scientific point that makes the phenomena of evolution impossible. And yet you're calling me a bigot, you truly are an idiot, you can't even debate in a normal way. You, sir, are a moron who's trying to come over as scientific as possible, while in fact, you do not know a thing about science. All you do is follow certain things that certain people have said, blindely so it seems. And yet you are trying to make fun of people who have faith. Ohh, the irony.

[EminemBase]

I don't care if my opinions offend people or if they don't.

I use to be a huge asshole on this topic, always making fun of people who believe in god. Until I realized

1. I was being a ass

2. There is no proof either way. (Even if you keep telling yourself there is.)

EminemBase, this is a place for serious debates. Please stop resorting to childish name calling. (What you said to McZu, not me lol)

I don't make fun of people who believe it I simply say the idea is total fiction. A delusion. Which it is, by definition. That's not being an ass, that's from a logical stand-point.

I find it odd you only make this exception, as many do, for religion.

I assume you wouldn't consider yourself 'an ass' on the matter of me being able to fly or not. Why not Chet, there's no proof either way, you can't DISPROVE that I can fly, so hey... It's 50/50, respect my opinion. OF COURSE NOT. This is just silly.

Total irrational, heightened respect for religion is wrong. It deserves no get out of jail free card. It's as ridiculous a claim as this, in fact more so and deserves to be challenged as that.

You say there's no proof either way, well what do you mean. The burden of proof is on those who make the claim, not those who deny it. If I claim I can fly, it's up to me to prove that I can otherwise it has to be assumed false. Illogical. Wrong. Unproven. Impossible.

As for resorting to name calling. As you can tell probably just from this response, I do no such thing, I think you'll find that McZu called me a moron after asserting there was no solid proof for Evolution (LMFAAAAOO). So I was responding to that.

I reserve my right to call him a bigot and ignorant. This is a debate and it's about challenging views and responding to them. And him saying there is no evidence for Evolution is plain denial. It's ignorance and delusion no matter which way you look at it.

[mcZu]

I don't care if my opinions offend people or if they don't.

I use to be a huge asshole on this topic, always making fun of people who believe in god. Until I realized

1. I was being a ass

2. There is no proof either way. (Even if you keep telling yourself there is.)

EminemBase, this is a place for serious debates. Please stop resorting to childish name calling. (What you said to McZu, not me lol)

I don't make fun of people who believe it I simply say the idea is total fiction. A delusion. Which it is, by definition. That's not being an ass, that's from a logical stand-point.

I find it odd you only make this exception, as many do, for religion.

I assume you wouldn't consider yourself 'an ass' on the matter of me being able to fly or not. Why not Chet, there's no proof either way, you can't DISPROVE that I can fly, so hey... It's 50/50, respect my opinion. OF COURSE NOT. This is just silly.

Total irrational, heightened respect for religion is wrong. It deserves no get out of jail free card. It's as ridiculous a claim as this, in fact more so and deserves to be challenged as that.

You say there's no proof either way, well what do you mean. The burden of proof is on those who make the claim, not those who deny it. If I claim I can fly, it's up to me to prove that I can otherwise it has to be assumed false. Illogical. Wrong. Unproven. Impossible.

As for resorting to name calling. As you can tell probably just from this response, I do no such thing, I think you'll find that McZu called me a moron after asserting there was no solid proof for Evolution (LMFAAAAOO). So I was responding to that.

I reserve my right to call him a bigot and ignorant. This is a debate and it's about challenging views and responding to them. And him saying there is no evidence for Evolution is plain denial. It's ignorance and delusion no matter which way you look at it.

Do you want me to proof that you cannot fly? Very simple, I just need to push you off of a rooftop...

You're saying you provided solid proof? Which proof? Nothing you said proves the phenomena of evolution, the only thing you did is calling DNA coding proof for evolution, which is like saying that a brick proves that a skycrapper once was an office space. Which is a false deduction based on nothing but imagination.

[Le Tunisien]

Hey EminemBase, Why The fuck is there Existence?
i mean why did the first human somehow was created?? and why was the human supposed to be created that way, 2 eyes to see 1 mouth to taste 1 nose to smell 2 legs to move 2 hands to touch
doesnt it seem to be so perfect?who would create something that perfect?oh cmon dont tell me it was created by nature,
what is the goal of life then? imagine there was no existence and there wasnt even Planets or Life or anything it would be just emptyness,
god put us in this life to test us,and then judge us at the judgement day you have no idea why you are living? you think its because ur dad fucked ur mom and gave birth to a retard like you that u are supposed to live ur miserable life? oh cmon

and PLEASE stop claiming that u are providing strong and logic proofs that god doesnt exist,well i think u'r only saying god doesnt exist simply cuz u couldnt prove that he exists,and thats it,u was supposed to look around urself and ask urself how would a perfect system,this life,be running if it didnt have any creator

err just like that,everything was made for something? water was made for u to drink,animals for u to eat,plants and shit everything that exists in this life got created it for a reason,except u ofc cuz u are useless!

and yeah everything we are facing now in our life is all written in the quran /bibble,such a coincidence?
just think about it EminemBase and stop being brainwashed, wake up!

[Le Tunisien]

^^ Ayo, lets try to keep it friendly. Unless he attacks you first, I don't think it's fair to attack him by calling him a retard and shit like that.

i saw him making fun of other people who think that god exists,so that was a counter attack

[ra1n]

Hey EminemBase, Why The fuck is there Existence?
i mean why did the first human somehow was created?? and why was the human supposed to be created that way, 2 eyes to see 1 mouth to taste 1 nose to smell 2 legs to move 2 hands to touch
doesnt it seem to be so perfect?who would create something that perfect?oh cmon dont tell me it was created by nature,
what is the goal of life then? imagine there was no existence and there wasnt even Planets or Life or anything it would be just emptyness,
god put us in this life to test us,and then judge us at the judgement day you have no idea why you are living? you think its because ur dad fucked ur mom and gave birth to a retard like you that u are supposed to live ur miserable life? oh cmon

and PLEASE stop claiming that u are providing strong and logic proofs that god doesnt exist,well i think u'r only saying god doesnt exist simply cuz u couldnt prove that he exists,and thats it,u was supposed to look around urself and ask urself how would a perfect system,this life,be running if it didnt have any creator

err just like that,everything was made for something? water was made for u to drink,animals for u to eat,plants and shit everything that exists in this life got created it for a reason,except u ofc cuz u are useless!

and yeah everything we are facing now in our life is all written in the quran /bibble,such a coincidence?
just think about it EminemBase and stop being brainwashed, wake up!

Lmao. I dont even know where to start.
EminemBase brainwashed/retarded? oh man.
He's definitely one of the more developed minds on this board but you can't see it because he's striking a nerve with you because he's completely destroying your religious/superstitious, illogical arguments.

Your arguments are not based in reality while his are based on empirical evidence, logic, and reason.

[Le Tunisien]

Hey EminemBase, Why The fuck is there Existence?
i mean why did the first human somehow was created?? and why was the human supposed to be created that way, 2 eyes to see 1 mouth to taste 1 nose to smell 2 legs to move 2 hands to touch
doesnt it seem to be so perfect?who would create something that perfect?oh cmon dont tell me it was created by nature,
what is the goal of life then? imagine there was no existence and there wasnt even Planets or Life or anything it would be just emptyness,
god put us in this life to test us,and then judge us at the judgement day you have no idea why you are living? you think its because ur dad fucked ur mom and gave birth to a retard like you that u are supposed to live ur miserable life? oh cmon

and PLEASE stop claiming that u are providing strong and logic proofs that god doesnt exist,well i think u'r only saying god doesnt exist simply cuz u couldnt prove that he exists,and thats it,u was supposed to look around urself and ask urself how would a perfect system,this life,be running if it didnt have any creator

err just like that,everything was made for something? water was made for u to drink,animals for u to eat,plants and shit everything that exists in this life got created it for a reason,except u ofc cuz u are useless!

and yeah everything we are facing now in our life is all written in the quran /bibble,such a coincidence?
just think about it EminemBase and stop being brainwashed, wake up!

Lmao. I dont even know where to start.
EminemBase brainwashed/retarded? oh man.
He's definitely one of the more developed minds on this board but you can't see it because he's striking a nerve with you because he's completely destroying your religious/superstitious, illogical arguments.

Your arguments are not based in reality while his are based on empirical evidence, logic, and reason.

thats a desperate post lol

[EminemBase]

Hey EminemBase, Why The fuck is there Existence?
i mean why did the first human somehow was created??

Okay I'll cypher through and answer your irrational, desperate babble one point at a time.

You ask why was the first human somehow created. Well, this question isn't the proper question to be asked. The proper question is how and not how the first human but first form of life came about. I say came about because I induce no creator.

To assume life was created with no reason to assume so is an exercise in delusion.

We know how we got from near-nothing to now. Humans aren't a separate, singular creation. All life is connected and related. This is fact. We evolved by means of natural selection. So that's how we've gotten to this stage.

As for how did the first life come about, nobody knows that yet. I stress yet.

But you seem to be asking questions as if to say "oh, you don't have an answer for this... THEN GOD DID IT". If you fail to see the utter break down in any logic in this way of thinking, I feel sorry for you and the tiny brain you inhibit.

Saying we don't know is one thing but to say because we don't know, god did it, is just ridiculous.

and why was the human supposed to be created that way, 2 eyes to see 1 mouth to taste 1 nose to smell 2 legs to move 2 hands to touch
doesnt it seem to be so perfect?who would create something that perfect?oh cmon dont tell me it was created by nature

This view right here can be put down to your complete and utter lack of understanding of any real science of nature or evolution. If you knew anything at all about the real facts of any one species living or extinct, you'd realise what a fucking stupid question / statement this is to be proposing.

Human beings and every other living creature has so many credulous flaws that it's total idiocy to suggest they were designed by an all-knowing, perfect designer.

Human beings are FAR from perfect. Go read up on just a tiny incy wincy bit of biology, even a sub-section. Eye-sight alone. So many flaws. Flaws that you would expect if nature chose the naturally progressive types of species as time went on.

Flaws that can only be accounted for by natural, progressive evolution and nothing else. If you think every living species is the work of an INTELLIGENT designer, you have a lot to account for. If you think they were designed then they were designed incredibly poorly, with mountains of mistakes.

I don't need to tell you that complex life is accounted for by nature. We know this. You can watch a little glimpse of evolution happening yourself, what do you think happens to a baby in 9 months? It goes from a simple batch of genes to a fully-formed mammal.

Evolution by natural selection is a fact. Not mine or anybody else's opinion. It's the truth.

what is the goal of life then? imagine there was no existence and there wasnt even Planets or Life or anything it would be just emptyness,
god put us in this life to test us,and then judge us at the judgement day you have no idea why you are living? you think its because ur dad fucked ur mom and gave birth to a retard like you that u are supposed to live ur miserable life? oh cmon

What is the goal / purpose of life you ask. The purpose of your individual existence is whatever you choose it to be. I'm glad that I'm intelligent and independent enough to choose my own purposes in life and don't feel I need a celestial dictator to tell me what they are. Like you do.

Also, just because you can ask the 'why' question doesn't mean it's proper, valid or deserves an answer. You can pose the 'why' question for anything, it doesn't mean it has or deserves an answer. Saying "why are we here" is a pretty pointless and silly question. Especially if you're asking that to an Atheist.

You can say "why is blue". That doesn't mean it makes sense. It's only because you're capable of asking the 'why' question that you ask it and feel you need an answer to it. We're pattern seeking mammals and we usually prefer any theory to no theory. I personally don't, I'm interested only in what's true.

And if we're talking about what's true or what's likely to be true. I consider it on the highest order of the improbable scale that a celestial dictator created the universe, the billions of light-years of space, the millions of stars... Just so I could be here debating a lucidly fatuous cretin like you.

There's 12 planets in our solar system. 11 of them are either too hot or too cold to inhibit life, most of Earth is too... Which is the reason why it's constantly been on a climatic knife-edge itself. So this god creates 11 dud planets and ours almost too fucked up for life too? Some designer.

I notice you invoked my parents into your lowly, childish insult. Again revealing your desperation. So deeply threatened are you irrational, maniacal beliefs that you have to lash out in a personal manner to try and provoke a stronger reaction from myself. Thus evading the true debate and making yourself feel justified in your outburst. It's okay, I forgive you, even if I don't get rewarded for it.

err just like that,everything was made for something? water was made for u to drink,animals for u to eat,plants and shit everything that exists in this life got created it for a reason,except u ofc cuz u are useless!

Lmao. This shows not only your inherent selfish, self-centered, egomaniac view of life and humanity but also how these views are totally cemented in religion.

Water was made just for humans to drink was it? Animals to eat?

So all of this was created for humans. You really are a fool. All life is related for a start, we're only higher up the food-chain so to speak because we have bigger brains, can outsmart our rivals and progress at a colossal, ever-accelerating rate.

There's nothing special about humans. We're 98% genetically similar to Chimpanzees. Again proving our common ancestry and lack of individual creation.

This totally insane view that the World was made for humans and everything in it for our amusement or pleasure is the type of brain-puke that's fueled so much of history's bullshit. You really are the turd on humanity's shoe and every time a crackpot leader uses this type of thinking for political and financial gain and cruelty, you ridge yourself a little deeper into its crevices.

Also, if you're going to persist in trying to insult me... At least make it funny, ironic or decent enough to provoke a proper reaction as your attempts at slander so far are purely pathetic.

and yeah everything we are facing now in our life is all written in the quran /bibble,such a coincidence?
just think about it EminemBase and stop being brainwashed, wake up!

Such as... There is NOTHING in any 'holy' book that could not have been written by any primitive human being from around that time.

If the Q'uran, Bible or any other book of babble mentioned electricity, the human genome or things which human beings simply could of not known about back then, you'd have a point.

The fact that NOT ONE thing is mentioned in any of them that couldn't of been written or made up by a human speaks volumes for their claims of being holy.

If these were books of god then wouldn't expect something amazing, revelatory, impossible to have been known to be written in them? But there isn't, know why? Because all 'holy' books are 'man' books.

Man-made written drivel written by lowly humans who understood very little and placed value on legend and myth. Not only this but all religions have plagiarized from each other, as you'd expect if they were myths and legend being passed throughout societies.

That's why every religion has a virgin birth, three kings and yada fucking yada. You call this a coincidence? Interested to hear you answer. I bet it's an evasive, puny answer, which at the end of it resorts to trying to insult me via means of personal provocation again though. Yawn.

To base your life on Pagan myth and Egyptian astrology (source of most of hijacked nonsense of religions - virgin birth, three kings etc.) is completely fucking stupid. Shame on you.

And to call ME brainwashed for not doing so. For not believing in bronze-age mouth-excrement with not only no proof but which is credulous by its nature. Which incites racism, slavery, scapegoating, evasion of moral responsibility... ME? How dare you. Sit the fuck down with your red face.