Respect

[EminemBase]

^ Sorry, I thought somebody had of replied to my previous.

[Raquel]

You didn't say that i can't believe in God. What you did say, was that I'M an idiot because of that. You can tell me that im wrong, give me facts whatever. But not call me an idiot.that's what i find disrespectful. For example. Imagine I'm your friend, and i say to you, hey I'm christian, you're going to call me idiot?
And i said when someone ACTUALLY, i mean NOW, this new ERA. I know religion, specially christians killed lots of people for no believing. But im saying now, now they have a mind, they know whats bad and whats good i guess.
About raching in schools,look, i agree with you. But at least in Spain we don't have a subject called religion(well, I do cuz i go a christian school) . So, i think that people who go to public school shouldnt have that subject. Cuz they dont have to believe in that.

About sexuality, om you don't have anything agains homos. But lots of poeple have. they call homosexuals 'idiots'.

Ok, now let's see.
the comment that made me go WTF, is the one that Nollie Made. He said somehing like this.

Muslims make me sick to my stomach. What's what you teach in schools?

Or something like that.
Calling me or them idiots for belivieng, from my viewpoint is disrespectful
but that's just impossible to asume.
How the fuck did he say. MUSLIMS MAKE ME SICK TO MY STOMACH. Are you going to tell me that it isnt disrespectful?


And, I finish about Religion.Or i will try to finish talking about that. We talk too much about religion and im not trying to change no ones minds. So as you have that idea and i have mine, is ok.

[Emadyville]

I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it...


That's how it should be, whether a nobel peace prize winner, a terrorist, a priest, or a member of the kkk, that's how i feel everyone should look at others opinions, and how they should respect them

[EminemBase]

You didn't say that i can't believe in God. What you did say, was that I'M an idiot because of that. You can tell me that im wrong, give me facts whatever. But not call me an idiot.that's what i find disrespectful. For example. Imagine I'm your friend, and i say to you, hey I'm christian, you're going to call me idiot?
And i said when someone ACTUALLY, i mean NOW, this new ERA. I know religion, specially christians killed lots of people for no believing. But im saying now, now they have a mind, they know whats bad and whats good i guess.

I'm not talking about centuries ago either. There are parties of god, on all sides, all religions killing in numbers as we speak. And have been every decade. If you don't know that then you don't know much about the World or the religion of which you defend.

As for the idiot comment. Yes, I will say that anybody who seriously thinks there is a celestial dictator, who created us and is watching us 24/7, only for the purpose of eternal judgement; Who cares about the genital state of young children, who cares about what you eat, is an idiot.

As for Nollie's comment. At no point did I deny his comment was disrespectful. So what...

This is what this argument lacks. He has a right to SPEAK disrespectfully. It's called free speech. I happen to agree with his statement. The teachings of Islam do make me sick and teaching them to children, I think, is disgusting. If you disagree I suspect you don't actually know any of the teachings.

So before you're so quick as to jump on the offense wagon, try knowing some of the teachings first. That way you can have an informed opinion as to whether or not you then find the statement wrong.

If I said... "The views of racists make me sick" would you immediately jump the the defense of racists? Saying that I shouldn't be so disrespectful to racists? This is my point.

But even if I didn't agree with Nollie's statement, I would defend his right to say it. You cannot govern what people say, whether it offends you or not. I find this hugely ironic given the fact you're an Eminem fan, on an Eminem forum. This has been the core thread throughout Eminem's career.

If something I or somebody else says offends you, tuff. That's life. You can't ban people from saying things. I get offended hearing Muslims say anybody who doubts Allah should be beheaded. I don't run down the streets burning things with signs because of it though. But the fact that THEY DO, needs to be stopped. This is what I fight against. I've had enough of religious bullying.

[embm]

nice post
i respect all

[Raquel]

I'm not talking about centuries ago either. There are parties of god, on all sides, all religions killing in numbers as we speak. And have been every decade. If you don't know that then you don't know much about the World or the religion of which you defend.

As for the idiot comment. Yes, I will say that anybody who seriously thinks there is a celestial dictator, who created us and is watching us 24/7, only for the purpose of eternal judgement; Who cares about the genital state of young children, who cares about what you eat, is an idiot.

As for Nollie's comment. At no point did I deny his comment was disrespectful. So what...

This is what this argument lacks. He has a right to SPEAK disrespectfully. It's called free speech. I happen to agree with his statement. The teachings of Islam do make me sick and teaching them to children, I think, is disgusting. If you disagree I suspect you don't actually know any of the teachings.

So before you're so quick as to jump on the offense wagon, try knowing some of the teachings first. That way you can have an informed opinion as to whether or not you then find the statement wrong.

If I said... "The views of racists make me sick" would you immediately jump the the defense of racists? Saying that I shouldn't be so disrespectful to racists? This is my point.

But even if I didn't agree with Nollie's statement, I would defend his right to say it. You cannot govern what people say, whether it offends you or not. I find this hugely ironic given the fact you're an Eminem fan, on an Eminem forum. This has been the core thread throughout Eminem's career.

If something I or somebody else says offends you, tuff. That's life. You can't ban people from saying things. I get offended hearing Muslims say anybody who doubts Allah should be beheaded. I don't run down the streets burning things with signs because of it though. But the fact that THEY DO, needs to be stopped. This is what I fight against. I've had enough of religious bullying.

No, i didn't say you thought Nollie's comment wasnt disrespectful, i only wanted to know your opinion about that.
I won't talk about Muslims cuz i dont know them very well.

I will finish talking about Religion.You have said what you have to say and i said what i have to say. So that''s all. You have your ideas, i have mines thats all.
And when you say, that he can say that, he can be disrespectful.Ok he can. I'm saying that I hate when people do that. Thats all. I didn't deny your freedom of speech.I just want to share my opinion about respect. You have a diff view point of what respect is,Or what you should respect. So, case closed.

And what you said about racist. No I'm not going to defend racist because racist disrespect. That's one of my points. Respect people who respect people.
That's why i said you 'can't'(well you can, but i dont see it fine) call me idiot. Cuz i respect people who respect. I didn't disrespect you.

As i said. That's all.
I'm gone, I'll be back tomorrow. I want to see others' opinions appart from mines,yours and the others'

[EminemBase]

That's one of my points. Respect people who respect people.
That's why i said you 'can't'(well you can, but i dont see it fine) call me idiot. Cuz i respect people who respect. I didn't disrespect you.

As i said. That's all.
I'm gone, I'll be back tomorrow. I want to see others' opinions appart from mines,yours and the others'

Yes and that's precisely the reason that I'm disrespectful towards religion. Religion does not respect people. Religion is fundamentally insulting, disrespectful and harmful to human minds, self-respect, self-worth, privacy... You name it. It's brain poison.

About calling you an idiot, well I didn't call you an idiot. My point was, I am allowed to, I have that right as you do to me. You're missing the point by focusing on the specific of me calling you an idiot, it's just about freedom of speech. I would defend your right to call me an idiot. This is freedom of speech.

No you didn't disrespect me. But your views disrespect me, inherently. Not your personal view of there being a god, I just think that's false. But every other fundamental and specific inherent view of your religion (and every other). So I will be disrespectful to them (religious views).

[EminemBase]

^^ Why do you gotta turn everything in the Serious Debate section into a fuckin religious discussion? Shut the fuck up for once. The topic is asking about what your thought of respect is, you've answered it, now get the fuck out It's really fuckin annoying to see your name as the last poster to write in a topic because chances are, you've got some shit to say about religion and how everyone but yourself is wrong.

That's why there is the "God doesn't exist" thread, go over there and gallivant all you fuckin want about Dawkins and his theories. No one gives a shit. Damn.

Actually fuck-face, I was responding to the original posters' first and thereafter points specifically about religion. The original poster mentions it and then later defends off-points made about it.

If you don't want to comment on that section of the debate, then you, shut the fuck up.

I have as much right to speak as you do and visa versa, so no I won't shut the fuck up under your command. This is also a DEEEEEBAAAAAATEEEE section.

That means on-going discussion and digression. Not sure if you even know what debate means or if you've ever had one but it usually involves going off into sub-sections that the original question poses interest too. And religion certainly comes up when discussing respect.

Also, I've spouted no 'Dawkins theories' thank you very much. I've said my own thoughts, unlike you, I don't get my opinions from a sole source, I think for myself. If you've got nothing worth saying on said matter, just ignore it and answer the original question.

But don't dare tell me what to say or think you can stop me speaking my opinion. You waste of spunk.

[Kez]

Respect is overrated, an all-encompassing blanket term that seeks to create a nice positive world, when in actuality the world is not full of nice positive people.

[mcZu]

Respect is overrated, an all-encompassing blanket term that seeks to create a nice positive world, when in actuality the world is not full of nice positive people.

Indeed, this world we're living in is a pessimistic reality making realists look like pessimists, which they are not.

[EminemBase]

^ Yawn. You really are supremely annoying.

You also constantly make no sense, make no good points, bring nothing useful, interesting or articulate to the debate and are just generally a flaccid waste of life.

I of course appose almost everything you replied with but I can't be bothered going back and forth with you specifically any more.

There are many logical, reason-based, intelligent members which provide me with such better input from which to gain and reply to. You do nothing of the sort. You just constantly spew bile, yuck.

On my ignore list, you're too boring. Can't see any of your future posts.

[Raquel]

I have to agree with Menzo.
I was talking about respect and you wrote a paragraph the 98% talking about religion.I've read your others post in the 'God doesn't exist' thread. And i know that you don't believe and all that. No need to repeat everything you said. It¡s true that you talked about Religion and I answered your post talking about religion,it was my fault.
So no more Religion please. Is a stupid argument, cuz we don't evidence of anything, we don't have evidence that god exist, we don't have evidence that he doesn't exist. So END.
No more religion in thsi thread please, you can name religion talking about respect, but not discuss if God exist or not or religion is good or bad or whatever.

[EminemBase]

I was gonna agree to stop but I'll agree to stop when you stop using this

"No proof for god and no proof against god" - 'argument'

As it's not a valid logical argument. We've disproven god as much as we could have in terms of apposing evidence, for now.

There are millions of things we can't disprove, for example - Me being able to fly. Doesn't mean it's 50/50. Or likely, at all.

I'm done anyway. Out of this thread.

[Raquel]

I was gonna agree to stop but I'll agree to stop when you stop using this

"No proof for god and no proof against god" - 'argument'

As it's not a valid logical argument. We've disproven god as much as we could have in terms of apposing evidence, for now.

There are millions of things we can't disprove, for example - Me being able to fly. Doesn't mean it's 50/50. Or likely, at all.

I'm done anyway. Out of this thread.

Again, you don't have any FACT that god DOESN't exist. As i say i don't have any fact that he exists.
Fact is something proved. You're not 100% sure that he doesn't exist. Nobody can be 100% sure cuz there isn't any fact.

Bye
EmineBase, no more religion

[EminemBase]

^ No, nobody can be 100% sure there is no god.

Also, we can't be 100% sure there are no fairies.

But we can say AS CONFIDENTLY that there are no gods as confidently we can there are no fairies.

The probability of a divine creator is as close to 0 as could be possible.

In fact fairies are more likely. By definition. As they need only exist, they need not have created the Universe, everything in it. Fairies are more likely.

God is a delusion, again, by definition. How can you have 'a fact' that 'proves' there is no god. God in itself is an illogical claim so you can't 'find' something to disprove it. That doesn't make it likely though.

You could make any impossible claim and come to the same dead-end. We could say there's a gigantic house circulating the universe at all times. You couldn't disprove that. It's too big, too illogical and too improvable. But it's still - As close to impossible as we could define.

We would say, in practice, "that's not true". And anyone who believe it, be deluded.