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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Kez » Dec 29th, '09, 23:06

le tunisien wrote:bullshit,
i couldnt find any 'challenge" through ur posts,you are an atheist,there aint so many atheists in this world,there are more people who believe in god than these fucking atheists who think they are right and they try to brainwash people,
ok im done talk to you,
i know for a fact that god exists,thats all


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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Le Tunisien » Dec 29th, '09, 23:20

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i couldnt find any 'challenge" through ur posts,you are an atheist,there aint so many atheists in this world,there are more people who believe in god than these fucking atheists who think they are right and they try to brainwash people,


I never seen athiests coming to my door or doing any crusades in the past, neither have i seen them with signs 'those who believe need to be beheaded'.

Im talkin about people like EminemBase in the internet givin argument tryna get people to not believe in god anymore ,thats brainwashing,im sick of these atheists they are really pathetics
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Cube23 » Dec 30th, '09, 01:54

le tunisien wrote:
Slimm wrote:
i couldnt find any 'challenge" through ur posts,you are an atheist,there aint so many atheists in this world,there are more people who believe in god than these fucking atheists who think they are right and they try to brainwash people,


I never seen athiests coming to my door or doing any crusades in the past, neither have i seen them with signs 'those who believe need to be beheaded'.

Im talkin about people like EminemBase in the internet givin argument tryna get people to not believe in god anymore ,thats brainwashing,im sick of these atheists they are really pathetics


Come on, dude. You're kind of doing the same thing trying to convince him as to why there is a god and why he is silly in being Atheist. By the way, don't state that there are more people who people who believe in god than Atheists like it's a fact.

No survey is reliable on this subject, ever. I'm sure it's alot closer than you think, seeing that over 70% of China is Atheist, which would make for over 900 million people in just one country. I consider myself Atheist, but I don't even know if there's a god. I just have my beliefs. I'd be tickled pink if there was a place where you went after death, but it all just seems far-fetched to me. You sound pretty silly when you say "I know for a fact there's a god" when no one on this planet has any clue.

I don't believe I'll be coming back into this thread. You step on quite a few toes on this topic and I don't think it should even be discussed on the internet in the first place. Just gets everyone's blood boiling because you aren't changing anyone's opinion on religion anytime soon.
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Elision » Dec 30th, '09, 02:49

le tunisien wrote:
Slimm wrote:
i couldnt find any 'challenge" through ur posts,you are an atheist,there aint so many atheists in this world,there are more people who believe in god than these fucking atheists who think they are right and they try to brainwash people,


I never seen athiests coming to my door or doing any crusades in the past, neither have i seen them with signs 'those who believe need to be beheaded'.

Im talkin about people like EminemBase in the internet givin argument tryna get people to not believe in god anymore ,thats brainwashing,im sick of these atheists they are really pathetics



Hypocrisy thy name is you, le tunisien.

Us anti-theists are not at all trying to brainwash anybody. All we do is allow our thoughts on 'the big questions' to be swayed and controlled by logical, reasonable, rational, intelligent, empirical evidence.

...And you say that we're the one's in the wrong? Because we have absolute proven evidence for our belief system (or lack thereof). I'm not stubborn like religious people, nor are most atheists. Surely an appearance from the almighty himself would diminish all atheiststic beliefs. But until then, those who decide to think, oh, I don't know, reasonably; are inclined to believe that there is no god.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o


See, the difference is, an atheists beliefs that be freely swayed to either side based on what we know. But with religious people, there is absolutely nothing that can occur in their life times to change their ridiculous beliefs.

And it's only religious people too. No other species on the entire slate of existence has ever had any sort of religion. Every single entity is born an atheist, until it is swayed by whatever their peers decide is right. And even then it's only humans. If you were reaised by a pack of wolves you'd be an atheist.

All an atheist is, is a default entity.

And it's fucking sickening... To see it happen to children when they are so intellectually vulnerable... I'm sorry but I cannot, and will not ever support children getting the fear of hell stricken into them simply so that they can be added to whatever religion they eventually become a part of.
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Le Tunisien » Dec 30th, '09, 03:46

we will keep on arguing and no one is gonna convince the other,so stop talkin about being stubborn cuz it makes you like a hypocrite honestly,
you have your beliefs,i have my beliefs
i do think that im right,and you do think that you are right,
but dont turn your beliefs into facts,

so yeah we ll keep on disagreein and arguin for nothin no one is gonna change his mind,i belive in god and always will,you dont believe in god and probably never will,

sry but i dont like atheists,in my opinion i find them pathetic,sorry
so basically ,we agree to never agree rofl :b:
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Elision » Dec 30th, '09, 08:49

le tunisien wrote:we will keep on arguing and no one is gonna convince the other,so stop talkin about being stubborn cuz it makes you like a hypocrite honestly,
you have your beliefs,i have my beliefs
i do think that im right,and you do think that you are right,
but dont turn your beliefs into facts,

so yeah we ll keep on disagreein and arguin for nothin no one is gonna change his mind,i belive in god and always will,you dont believe in god and probably never will,

sry but i dont like atheists,in my opinion i find them pathetic,sorry
so basically ,we agree to never agree rofl :b:


Just going to respond to this line-by-line.

le tunisien wrote:we will keep on arguing and no one is gonna convince the other,so stop talkin about being stubborn cuz it makes you like a hypocrite honestly,


I'm not being stubborn, I'm completely open-minded and ready for new ideas under proper evidence. However, there is absolutely nothing that can change what you think.

You, my friend, are stubborn my definition

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stubborn

Stubborn
stub⋅born - [stuhb-ern]

–adjective
1. unreasonably obstinate; obstinately unmoving: a stubborn child.
2. fixed or set in purpose or opinion; resolute: a stubborn opponent of foreign aid.
3. obstinately maintained, as a course of action: a stubborn resistance.
4. difficult to manage or suppress: a stubborn horse; a stubborn pain.
5. hard, tough, or stiff, as stone or wood; difficult to shape or work.

le tunisien wrote:i do think that im right,and you do think that you are right,
but dont turn your beliefs into facts,


I'm not turning my beliefs into facts... It's completely vise-versa facts are my beliefs, and nothing beyond that

le tunisien wrote:so yeah we ll keep on disagreein and arguin for nothin no one is gonna change his mind,i belive in god and always will,you dont believe in god and probably never will,


I'm more than happy to change my mind, again, under the proper evidence. Don't ever group me in with your impenetrable, and unreasonable beliefs.

Now, you are right, I do not believe in god. But, neither do you. You don't believe in Zeus, Thor, Lugh Llamfada, etc. etc. etc. I'm just one god ahead in not believing. And a few hundred years down the line, your god will seem just as ridiculous.

sry but i dont like atheists,in my opinion i find them pathetic,sorry


You honestly, truly believe in your heart of hearts that there is an invisible man in the sky silently judging you right at this very moment.

...And I'm pathetic...

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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby AbramIsaac » Dec 30th, '09, 09:10

Poor...poor...tuna.

He is the like the Haystak of this discussion. Never anywhere near winning the battle, but constantly believing he is. The only difference is, he's getting a response.

I'd be very interested to see a strong debate for God, but I don't believe it's something that is possible.
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Le Tunisien » Dec 30th, '09, 09:26

AbramIsaac wrote:Poor...poor...tuna.

He is the like the Haystak of this discussion. Never anywhere near winning the battle, but constantly believing he is. The only difference is, he's getting a response.

I'd be very interested to see a strong debate for God, but I don't believe it's something that is possible.

if you dont wanna debate ,please dont interupt discussion with your poor comments to say how poor i am and how i am the haystack of this thread,dude thats lame,stay on topic or dont even post here :y:
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby AbramIsaac » Dec 30th, '09, 09:38

le tunisien wrote:
AbramIsaac wrote:Poor...poor...tuna.

He is the like the Haystak of this discussion. Never anywhere near winning the battle, but constantly believing he is. The only difference is, he's getting a response.

I'd be very interested to see a strong debate for God, but I don't believe it's something that is possible.

if you dont wanna debate ,please dont interupt discussion with your poor comments to say how poor i am and how i am the haystack of this thread,dude thats lame,stay on topic or dont even post here :y:

Yes, my comments are lame.

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In the end, there is no proof for the existence of a god-like being in the scientific sense. Many people believe in God because of their own anecdotal evidence that they have come across throughout their lives. The way certain things have played out for them; a larger scheme of things that seems to be more tactical than a series of coincidences. This is the type of evidence that allows people to continue to believe in a "God", or some sort of underlying force that's dictating things to some extent.

Because of this, I have found that it's best to be agnostic. Don't get me wrong, I don't for a second blame atheists for their conclusions, as these conclusions are based on the facts as we have them. However, I am not above saying that there may be more to the picture. There also may not be; the current data supports the latter.

This is a question that will continue to be pondered for a long time, I believe...that is, at least until 2012. :shifty:

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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Elision » Dec 30th, '09, 09:53

AbramIsaac wrote:
le tunisien wrote:
AbramIsaac wrote:Poor...poor...tuna.

He is the like the Haystak of this discussion. Never anywhere near winning the battle, but constantly believing he is. The only difference is, he's getting a response.

I'd be very interested to see a strong debate for God, but I don't believe it's something that is possible.

if you dont wanna debate ,please dont interupt discussion with your poor comments to say how poor i am and how i am the haystack of this thread,dude thats lame,stay on topic or dont even post here :y:

Yes, my comments are lame.

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In the end, there is no proof for the existence of a god-like being in the scientific sense. Many people believe in God because of their own anecdotal evidence that they have come across throughout their lives. The way certain things have played out for them; a larger scheme of things that seems to be more tactical than a series of coincidences. This is the type of evidence that allows people to continue to believe in a "God", or some sort of underlying force that's dictating things to some extent.

Because of this, I have found that it's best to be agnostic. Don't get me wrong, I don't for a second blame atheists for their conclusions, as these conclusions are based on the facts as we have them. However, I am not above saying that there may be more to the picture. There also may not be; the current data supports the latter.

This is a question that will continue to be pondered for a long time, I believe...that is, at least until 2012. :shifty:

Joking, of course.


I left my agnosticism after I really took the time to understand how genocidal and poisonous religion truly was. That's why I am an anti-theist today.
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Le Tunisien » Dec 30th, '09, 09:55

AbramIsaac wrote:
le tunisien wrote:
AbramIsaac wrote:Poor...poor...tuna.

He is the like the Haystak of this discussion. Never anywhere near winning the battle, but constantly believing he is. The only difference is, he's getting a response.

I'd be very interested to see a strong debate for God, but I don't believe it's something that is possible.

if you dont wanna debate ,please dont interupt discussion with your poor comments to say how poor i am and how i am the haystack of this thread,dude thats lame,stay on topic or dont even post here :y:

Yes, my comments are lame.

:whistle:

In the end, there is no proof for the existence of a god-like being in the scientific sense. Many people believe in God because of their own anecdotal evidence that they have come across throughout their lives. The way certain things have played out for them; a larger scheme of things that seems to be more tactical than a series of coincidences. This is the type of evidence that allows people to continue to believe in a "God", or some sort of underlying force that's dictating things to some extent.

Because of this, I have found that it's best to be agnostic. Don't get me wrong, I don't for a second blame atheists for their conclusions, as these conclusions are based on the facts as we have them. However, I am not above saying that there may be more to the picture. There also may not be; the current data supports the latter.

This is a question that will continue to be pondered for a long time, I believe...that is, at least until 2012. :shifty:

Joking, of course.

i noticed that the points of atheists are based on science,
let me tell you something,many scientist have agreeed that 2012 will be the end of the existence,but god said in the bibble that no one knows The exact date of the end of the world,
lol so if nothing happens in 2012,i'd say one thing to the atheist,drop ur scientist and better start believing in god u'd lose nothing if u believe in god ,and also you MAY win something positive if u believe in god in the case where there is afterlife and god really exists and everything,we all are going to die,so why dont you belive in god and guarantee for urself a spot in heaven in afterlife,you dont lose anything if u belive in god,but if you dont belive in him and at the end of the existence turns to be real you'd only suffer and burn in hell
i noticed somethin,at the beggin of the existence,people started to look around the earth trying to find the creator of human and planet,they started worshippin Objects and animals then the sky and sun wich was ridiculous ofc but see,even the first people of the existence were trying to find the creator of all this system , untill came the bibble at a period where ignorant,and didnt know how to write that perfectly,so the vocabulary used in the bibble at that time proves it wasnt written by Some random persons who claimed it was commin from God,

idk thats pretty much what i got to say
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby AbramIsaac » Dec 30th, '09, 10:22

Nollie wrote:
I left my agnosticism after I really took the time to understand how genocidal and poisonous religion truly was. That's why I am an anti-theist today.

Understandable.

What about Buddhism? Just curious to hear your thoughts on that. Not trying to be argumentative, just that Buddhists don't seem to fit into the genocidal and poisonous frame of religion. I'm not a history major, so perhaps I have missed an important event in history.

I believe that there is nothing wrong with belief in a god, as long as people don't try to interpret the will of that being. I think you would agree that all of the evils of religion lead back to that important point. While most religion is ultimately detrimental and poisonous to society as a whole, spiritual development with the help of a divine being of some sort (contrived or otherwise) doesn't seem to necessarily be a problem when the will of that being is not thought to be known.

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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Elision » Dec 30th, '09, 10:33

i'd say one thing to the atheist,drop ur scientist and better start believing in god u'd lose nothing if u believe in god ,and also you MAY win something positive if u believe in god in the case where there is afterlife and god really exists and everything,we all are going to die,so why dont you belive in god and guarantee for urself a spot in heaven in afterlife,you dont lose anything if u belive in god,but if you dont belive in him and at the end of the existence turns to be real you'd only suffer and burn in hell


This argument is known as "Pascale's Wager"

And it's very very simple to negate. Just do the blatant riddle backwards.

Simply put: (and I can hold your hand and walk you through step-by-step if I have to)

Why waste your entire life working towards a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that was never there to begin with.



Also, please name one respected astrologist that thinks some cataclysmic event is going to occur in 2012.

Most of the world knows 2012 conspiracies are complete bullshit.

Earth is between 4.53 to 4.58 billion years old, I promise you that no logical person thinks that it's honestly all going to end in 2 years...

For those who do think that humanity (and/or the world as a whole) is going down the drain in 2 years, here's a link that I think you should all watch.

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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby Elision » Dec 30th, '09, 10:47

AbramIsaac wrote:
Nollie wrote:
I left my agnosticism after I really took the time to understand how genocidal and poisonous religion truly was. That's why I am an anti-theist today.

Understandable.

What about Buddhism? Just curious to hear your thoughts on that. Not trying to be argumentative, just that Buddhists don't seem to fit into the genocidal and poisonous frame of religion. I'm not a history major, so perhaps I have missed an important event in history.

I believe that there is nothing wrong with belief in a god, as long as people don't try to interpret the will of that being. I think you would agree that all of the evils of religion lead back to that important point. While most religion is ultimately detrimental and poisonous to society as a whole, spiritual development with the help of a divine being of some sort (contrived or otherwise) doesn't seem to necessarily be a problem when the will of that being is not thought to be known.

Thoughts?


Buddhism can be considered one of the more modest, and peaceful practices when it comes to religion; however - it supports the belief in some omnipotent creator. Now, that may not be too bad, BUT, there are many many other more strict, and radical religions, constantly trying to consume more and more people in. Buddhism, regardless of what it's practices are, is adding one more stick to the raging fire that is religion.

Now, I would like to dwell on something you said at the beginning of your second paragraph.

I believe that there is nothing wrong with belief in a god, as long as people don't try to interpret the will of that being.


I could not have said it more beautifully. And I completely agree with you 110%.

There either is, or there is not a creator. We do not have a definite answer to this question, although we hope to in the future.

But to try to put a stamp on this 'creator' who's very existence is questionable, and try to artificially produce and teach other's what this creator wants, his/her desires, his/her needs, etc. etc. Is exactly the point where religion becomes poisonous. Because, with there being hundreds of religions, at some point along the line, their bound to contradict each other, causing world conflict, hence -- genocide.

I'm not against those who believe in the possibility of some sort of creator... I'm against those who are putting words into this entity's mouth.
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Re: God doesn't exist

Postby AbramIsaac » Dec 30th, '09, 10:58

Nollie wrote:
AbramIsaac wrote:
Nollie wrote:
I left my agnosticism after I really took the time to understand how genocidal and poisonous religion truly was. That's why I am an anti-theist today.

Understandable.

What about Buddhism? Just curious to hear your thoughts on that. Not trying to be argumentative, just that Buddhists don't seem to fit into the genocidal and poisonous frame of religion. I'm not a history major, so perhaps I have missed an important event in history.

I believe that there is nothing wrong with belief in a god, as long as people don't try to interpret the will of that being. I think you would agree that all of the evils of religion lead back to that important point. While most religion is ultimately detrimental and poisonous to society as a whole, spiritual development with the help of a divine being of some sort (contrived or otherwise) doesn't seem to necessarily be a problem when the will of that being is not thought to be known.

Thoughts?


Buddhism can be considered one of the more modest, and peaceful practices when it comes to religion; however - it supports the belief in some omnipotent creator. Now, that may not be too bad, BUT, there are many many other more strict, and radical religions, constantly trying to consume more and more people in. Buddhism, regardless of what it's practices are, is adding one more stick to the raging fire that is religion.

Now, I would like to dwell on something you said at the beginning of your second paragraph.

I believe that there is nothing wrong with belief in a god, as long as people don't try to interpret the will of that being.


I could not have said it more beautifully. And I completely agree with you 110%.

There either is, or there is not a creator. We do not have a definite answer to this question, although we hope to in the future.

But to try to put a stamp on this 'creator' who's very existence is questionable, and try to artificially produce and teach other's what this creator wants, his/her desires, his/her needs, etc. etc. Is exactly the point where religion becomes poisonous. Because, with there being hundreds of religions, at some point along the line, their bound to contradict each other, causing world conflict, hence -- genocide.

I'm not against those who believe in the possibility of some sort of creator... I'm against those who are putting words into this entity's mouth.

That's the attitude that should be brought to this debate.

The Buddhism tidbit was an attempt to show how religion can work, but I would agree that it is more of an exception to the rule than anything else. I think this is mainly because the stories that have to do with Buddhism are not meant to be taken literally, as in many other religions, but rather are meant to be treated as philosophical riddles of sorts--words to think on, but not to kill for.

Anyway, I'd just like to say that I admire the sentiments you have expressed here simply because there is so much anger on both sides of the debate that it is refreshing to cut through it and get to the heart of the issue.

Religion, by it's nature, generally becomes a very bad thing. A machine built to turn people against each other. That is because Religion is man-made, and is used much like our man-made weapons. However, I believe that spirituality and religion are two very different things, and that any god-like being that would exist actually has practically nothing to do with religion.
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