God doesn't exist

[EminemBase]

i couldnt find any 'challenge" through ur posts,you are an atheist,there aint so many atheists in this world,there are more people who believe in god than these fucking atheists who think they are right and they try to brainwash people,
ok im done talk to you,
i know for a fact that god exists,thats all

That's because you're too fucking dumb to understand the challenges or more likely, didn't even read them as everybody else seemed to notice them.

Also, saying there ain't many atheists in the World is bullshit. Most European countries are predominantly atheist and in like the UK, it's more shameful to believe in god. It's embarrassing.

Once more, atheists do not try and brainwash people, that trophy goes to your side dick-face. Who are the ones who run the churches, force their views on children, knock doors, start wars? Yours!

Finally, no you do not know god exists for a fact. At all. Definition of a fact is a concept or piece of information that can be PROVEN. There has never been and never will be any evidence of a god. So it's literally impossible for you to know it as a fact.

Again, just shows your irrational, desperate mindset. Cretin.

[Elision]

i couldnt find any 'challenge" through ur posts,you are an atheist,there aint so many atheists in this world,there are more people who believe in god than these fucking atheists who think they are right and they try to brainwash people,
ok im done talk to you,
i know for a fact that god exists,thats all

That's because you're too fucking dumb to understand the challenges or more likely, didn't even read them as everybody else seemed to notice them.

Also, saying there ain't many atheists in the World is bullshit. Most European countries are predominantly atheist and in like the UK, it's more shameful to believe in god. It's embarrassing.

Once more, atheists do not try and brainwash people, that trophy goes to your side dick-face. Who are the ones who run the churches, force their views on children, knock doors, start wars? Yours!

Finally, no you do not know god exists for a fact. At all. Definition of a fact is a concept or piece of information that can be PROVEN. There has never been and never will be any evidence of a god. So it's literally impossible for you to know it as a fact.

Again, just shows your irrational, desperate mindset. Cretin.

Just let it go man... We're not going to get anywhere. He's obviously too braindead to wrap his head around a time-based universe that is in no need of any sort of creator, so he resorts to belief in faerie tales to allow him to sleep at night. And he is completely closed to any opposing arguments, so he simply takes personal jabs at anybody who tries to logically break down his belief system -- as opposed to attempting to refute them.

For christ's sake (no pun intended) he has the grammar of a 3rd grader.

You couldn't convince him that the sky is blue.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

For christ's sake (no pun intended) he has the grammar of a 3rd grader.

Sure it was.

Le speaks Arabic natively, so his arguments won't exactly boast the silver tongue to well versed liasons of English.

[EminemBase]

EminemBase is your family atheist?

Yeah. Well my mother and father both are.

Most people I know are atheist, I don't know anybody who seriously believes in god or who admits it.

There's also been a proven study between intelligence and belief in god. It's a fact that the smarter you are, the less likely you are to believe in god. So take what you will from that.

And it's no coincidence that the people who I do know who half-believe in some vague undefined version of a god or say they do, aren't the brightest lamps in the street. I'm from a urban city, it's also no coincidence you seem to find the most god-believing in urban cities. Especially in US.

[Le Tunisien]

EminemBase is your family atheist?

Yeah. Well my mother and father both are.

Most people I know are atheist, I don't know anybody who seriously believes in god or who admits it.

There's also been a proven study between intelligence and belief in god. It's a fact that the smarter you are, the less likely you are to believe in god. So take what you will from that.

And it's no coincidence that the people who I do know who half-believe in some vague undefined version of a god or say they do, aren't the brightest lamps in the street. I'm from a urban city, it's also no coincidence you seem to find the most god-believing in urban cities. Especially in US.

and thats why you are atheist,but believe me you are wrong,cuz god really exist
the whole world and how human is created with a mind and shit,must have a creator,
damn even the first people of the humanity started to look around to find a creator for this world and started to think it was the sky,sun,statues,etc....see even ignorant people started to look around to find a creator, and YOU tell me this whole world was created without any creator?thats not possible

[EminemBase]

and thats why you are atheist,but believe me you are wrong,cuz god really exist
the whole world and how human is created with a mind and shit,must have a creator,
damn even the first people of the humanity started to look around to find a creator for this world and started to think it was the sky,sun,statues,etc....see even ignorant people started to look around to find a creator, and YOU tell me this whole world was created without any creator?thats not possible

Lmao you've just proven my point without even realizing it.

Yes, like you said - Even the most ignorant people looked around for answers and came up with the idea of a creator. This is why it's proven there is a correlation between intelligence and belief in god.

It's precisely because these people had no answers they came up with and were satisfied by the idea of a creator. They didn't understand how complexity could form without an intelligent driving force behind it. Religion was humanity's first real stab at Science, philosophy, poetry, everything.

So in that sense it's important. It's our first stab. And it was a bad one.

This is why they thought there was a god because they didn't know what the sun was. They didn't know why it was there, why it rose in the morning. We do know. They didn't know we were just one planet in a solar system of twelve and that our little planet was a spec of dust in space.

And that there's millions of other solar systems which we can now observe.

Religion is born from ignorance, that's its source. So it only makes sense that there is a correlation between likelyhood to believe in it and ignorance. The more ignorant you are of Science and... The reality we know now, the more likely you are to accept god as the proper and real idea.

You say it's not possible. No - You cannot accept that it's possible.

We know for a fact that we evolved. And we know how we got from bacteria to the complex mammals we are today. And that didn't need a creator. Life doesn't need a creator to advance, nature is the invisible guiding hand so to speak. So what makes you think the Universe needs one.

god is a very bad attempt at answering the origin of the universe, born at a time of pure ignorance, fear and lack of knowledge of nature or the laws of Science. We now have better answers for all of the original questions religion tried to answer. Better and superior. Proven and provable. Tested and testable, observable and real.

You may like the comforting answers, I like the real ones.

Putting a creator there does not solve the riddle. Because you have to explain the creator. It's no good just saying "god did it". How, where did god from? And if you're willing to say "god was just there" then why not the Universe 'just there'. This answer is not a good one and it solves nothing. It puts you right back at square one.

[EminemBase]

I don't think it's right to say Religion is made out of ignorance though. Wtf is that? And the point mentioned about 'dumb' people only believing in God..uhh, didn't Einstein believe in God? Along with that one fucker in the wheelchair who can barely talk (LOL I can't remember his name at the moment). I think those people are pretty smart. Or if they don't 'believe' in God per say, they've at least said that the complication of the universe could only be created by a divine and incredibly intelligent being.

But whatever. The last few pages were really good, and peaceful pieces of debate, which I love. Nollie You'sa dope anti-theist.


-one last thing, EminemBase. You were born into a family of atheists, and into a community of atheists...wouldn't it make sense to ultimately grow up as one..? You've got exterior influences being stuffed into your mind at a young age - the same thing happens with those following God (had to throw that there so it wasn't mentioned later by you or any other atheist).

Cheers.

Firstly, you say you don't think it's right to say religion was born from ignorance. All religions hijack themes from not only each other but from Pagan mythology. This is why every religion in history has a miraculous son being born of a virgin who is visited by three kings etc. This is mythology of Egypt which was passed on and on. And shaped and molded to each culture.

All religions were invented by people who understood hardly anything about the World. Or Science. The very definition of ignorance is 'lack of understanding'. So it's actually perfectly fair and grammatically correct to say religion was born from ignorance. It quite literally was.

There's also been numerous polls and tests of recent times to try and determine a correlation between intelligence and religion. And everytime it's shown that the more intelligent you are, the less likely you are to believe in god. Again, this is a fact not personal slander from myself.

Next, no neither Einstein or Hawking believe(d) in god. They're both physicists and use the word as a metaphor for what we have yet to understand about the origin of the Universe. Basically, Einstein used it as a metaphor for nature.

Many times in his lifetime religious people tried to claim he believed in god because they misinterpreted his words. Actually his fault for even using the word. But he clarified it, most famously in a very strong letter against the idea of any personal god. He called the idea of any kind of personal god (one that is conscious, involves itself in human affairs etc.) as childish and wishful-thinking.

Finally. No I wasn't born into a 'family of atheists'. Some people in my family believe in god. My sister does, vaguely believe in some kind of 'creator'. I actually went to a Roman Catholic primary and secondary school. So these were actually religious schools. I had religious classes.

The reason I'm an atheist is not because I was surrounded by atheists, quite the opposite, because I was being taught religion as a serious subject and immediately saw through it as false and the idea of god as obviously false. My country (Britain) even has a connected Church and State. The Queen who is head of the Church is also head of the country.

So religion actually sticks its head in our politics. Not on a large scale but legally they're connected and we have to pay tax for a Church whether we want to our not. It just so happens that there's a lot of atheists in Britain. I don't know why. Most of Europe are atheists. So no it's nothing to do with me being surrounded by atheism.

There are also a lot more atheists in America than people think. A lot more. Problem is persecution, everybody in America thinks everybody else believes in god. So atheists there feel like outsiders and hide the fact they're atheists. But gigantic book tours from Dawkins and Hitchens with halls and halls full of atheists prove how numerous they are. With many at the meetings themselves even saying that atheists in their town are viewed like evil people so they hide it.

America is technically less religious than Britain. America was built on a constitution that barred any interference from religion and politics and politics in religion. It separates the two by law. Yet we see many US politicians lying, pretending they are religious because it's thought almost impossible for an atheist to get elected in America. They constantly say it's "One nation under god" and a "Christian nation". It's nothing of the sort. At its root, it's a SECULAR nation. Religion has hijacked it.

[Xray]

All religions were invented by people who understood hardly anything about the World. Or Science.

That's funny cause Prophet Noah saved the world, when god commanded him to build an Ark, and he did. Did anyone else in the world know how to build an Ark at that time? Or even know what an Ark was? No. God gave him details on how to build that Ark. If he hardly knew anything about the world, then how come he saved it? How come when people made fun of him and his beliefs, he still kept patient to prove them wrong and he did.

Prophets aren't people who just make up things as they go along without proving things, they have a belief, they have a source where they get their information from. God. Only information you have is false information, or scientific information you got from egoistic people who spend their lives in a science lab (the same scientists who believe in the Big Bang theory).

I find it funny how Atheist's are quick to point out at terrorist's and say Islam is a religion of violence, when those terrorists are going straight to hell and don't even count as Muslims. That's like looking at a talentless music artist and saying the whole genre of that artist is wack because of ONE persons talentless tracks. You like rap right? lets say you have a passion for it, so now imagine how you'd feel if someone said rap is wack because of one artist's talentless track. It's stupid and ignorant.

Atheist's believe in the Big Bang theory and have a passion for it simply because they're guilty and afraid to face the consequences of their actions, because they know if they believe in religion, that would mean they have sinned countless times and it would make them feel guilty and scared when confronted by god's angels in afterlife. Nothing but cowards and ignorant idiots who are blinded by a source with no superior powers only computers. Anyone can be a scientist if they wanted to and had enough dedication for it, but no one can be a Prophet and make miracles happen by the commands of god.

You can't just wake up one day and say I want to be a Prophet, but you can say you want to be a scientist one day and be one some day. You see the difference? Prophet's aren't people who choose to be one, they are chosen by god to deliver a positive message that god exists and that those who don't obied by his rules will face the consequences on judgment day. No one can help you when you die, except religion and god. And THAT'S why people believe in god because it is the right thing, what you're doing is just sinning and causing a terrible mistake for YOURSELF.

When religious leaders talk about religion they want the better outcome FOR YOU, so you can realize what life is really about. You think saying god doesn't exist makes you smarter? That only proves that YOU ARE the one that's lacking information about the world, not religious people. So if you want to blame someone else for life's dramatic moments, then blame yourself for helping devil accomplish what he really wants. There's nothing in it for you in the end if you're an Atheist, except for eternal torture, but if you believe in God there is. Think about it, don't be ignorant.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

Deterrence.

[EminemBase]

That's funny cause Prophet Noah saved the world, when god commanded him to build an Ark, and he did. Did anyone else in the world know how to build an Ark at that time? Or even know what an Ark was? No. God gave him details on how to build that Ark. If he hardly knew anything about the world, then how come he saved it? How come when people made fun of him and his beliefs, he still kept patient to prove them wrong and he did.

Prophets aren't people who just make up things as they go along without proving things, they have a belief, they have a source where they get their information from. God. Only information you have is false information, or scientific information you got from egoistic people who spend their lives in a science lab (the same scientists who believe in the Big Bang theory).

I find it funny how Atheist's are quick to point out at terrorist's and say Islam is a religion of violence, when those terrorists are going straight to hell and don't even count as Muslims. That's like looking at a talentless music artist and saying the whole genre of that artist is wack because of ONE persons talentless tracks. You like rap right? lets say you have a passion for it, so now imagine how you'd feel if someone said rap is wack because of one artist's talentless track. It's stupid and ignorant.

Atheist's believe in the Big Bang theory and have a passion for it simply because they're guilty and afraid to face the consequences of their actions, because they know if they believe in religion, that would mean they have sinned countless times and it would make them feel guilty and scared when confronted by god's angels in afterlife. Nothing but cowards and ignorant idiots who are blinded by a source with no superior powers only computers. [b]Anyone can be a scientist if they wanted to and had enough dedication for it, but no one can be a Prophet and make miracles happen by the commands of god.

Firstly, Noah didn't build an Ark and save the World. If you seriously believe that story as a true story then you should be locked in a padded room.

There's a million species of animals, they all fit on this Ark did they? Maniac.

Yes prophets are just people who make things up as they go along, you hit the fucking nail on the head. The Bible is a book of junk. A book of bronze-age mythology, superstition and cult-babble by stupid humans who didn't have very good answers of anything.

About you trying to equate picking on some or religion's violence to finding one crap artist and calling the entire genre wack, that's nonsense. Point is not about picking out how much violence religion has done (which is a fucking lot, not just Islam, nearly every religion) but more the point of does religion LEAD to violence. The answer is immeasurably and undeniably - YES. There is a natural pathway from irrational, circular belief but more specifically GOD, to doing irrational, evil things.

Where as there is no pathway from rationality to evil actions.

I stopped at this paragraph, the rest was all rubbish anyway but this one tipped the scales. First, no not all Atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory or even have to any scientific fact / theory. As it happens, a lot of Atheists do because they tend to be smarter and more independent minded. Eg. they require proof for things. But Atheism just = A lack of belief in god. So it's ironic for you to be calling atheists ignorant who are at a natural RATIONAL standpoint when you don't even know what the fucking word means.

And then you think your Egyptian-bile mythology is proof of anything. Go read your book of junk and gain solace you braindead, ignorant goon.

[mcZu]

Money leads to violence, not religion.

[EminemBase]

^ No money, religion and politics all lead to violence. Period.

But religion is a huge driving force.

I don't even have to name the absolute slaughters throughout history done in the name of god, religion's fault in misery is undeniable.

There's a natural pathway from irrational circular belief to irrational evil behaviour.

[Xray]

That's funny cause Prophet Noah saved the world, when god commanded him to build an Ark, and he did. Did anyone else in the world know how to build an Ark at that time? Or even know what an Ark was? No. God gave him details on how to build that Ark. If he hardly knew anything about the world, then how come he saved it? How come when people made fun of him and his beliefs, he still kept patient to prove them wrong and he did.

Prophets aren't people who just make up things as they go along without proving things, they have a belief, they have a source where they get their information from. God. Only information you have is false information, or scientific information you got from egoistic people who spend their lives in a science lab (the same scientists who believe in the Big Bang theory).

I find it funny how Atheist's are quick to point out at terrorist's and say Islam is a religion of violence, when those terrorists are going straight to hell and don't even count as Muslims. That's like looking at a talentless music artist and saying the whole genre of that artist is wack because of ONE persons talentless tracks. You like rap right? lets say you have a passion for it, so now imagine how you'd feel if someone said rap is wack because of one artist's talentless track. It's stupid and ignorant.

Atheist's believe in the Big Bang theory and have a passion for it simply because they're guilty and afraid to face the consequences of their actions, because they know if they believe in religion, that would mean they have sinned countless times and it would make them feel guilty and scared when confronted by god's angels in afterlife. Nothing but cowards and ignorant idiots who are blinded by a source with no superior powers only computers. [b]Anyone can be a scientist if they wanted to and had enough dedication for it, but no one can be a Prophet and make miracles happen by the commands of god.

Firstly, Noah didn't build an Ark and save the World. If you seriously believe that story as a true story then you should be locked in a padded room.

1. There's a million species of animals, they all fit on this Ark did they? Maniac.

2. Yes prophets are just people who make things up as they go along, you hit the fucking nail on the head. The Bible is a book of junk. A book of bronze-age mythology, superstition and cult-babble by stupid humans who didn't have very good answers of anything.

3. About you trying to equate picking on some or religion's violence to finding one crap artist and calling the entire genre wack, that's nonsense. Point is not about picking out how much violence religion has done (which is a fucking lot, not just Islam, nearly every religion) but more the point of does religion LEAD to violence. The answer is immeasurably and undeniably - YES. There is a natural pathway from irrational, circular belief but more specifically GOD, to doing irrational, evil things.

Where as there is no pathway from rationality to evil actions.

4. I stopped at this paragraph, the rest was all rubbish anyway but this one tipped the scales. First, no not all Atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory or even have to any scientific fact / theory. As it happens, a lot of Atheists do because they tend to be smarter and more independent minded. Eg. they require proof for things. But Atheism just = A lack of belief in god. So it's ironic for you to be calling atheists ignorant who are at a natural RATIONAL standpoint when you don't even know what the fucking word means.

And then you think your Egyptian-bile mythology is proof of anything. Go read your book of junk and gain solace you braindead, ignorant goon.

1. Someone award this guy a medal for being the dumbest-wannabe-smart fuck. Cause there's different types of animals with different types of abilities. Some fly (they don't need shelter unless they can't fly high much) some swim (no fucking fish needs shelter from WATER ITSELF) and there's insects (you can probably fit a billion gazillion trillion in that ark) and animals that live on land (the only ones that require shelter more than the rest). Discovery channel, use it.

2. LMFAO wait let me get this straight, they didn't have very good answers? yet you're the one who's basing his whole "facts" on a bald headed dude who's good with computers? HA HA! By the way you're calling people from back then stupid, you're dissing your great great great great ancestors. I don't know what is wrong with you, you seem like you think you're superior or something like you're not human? Don't diss what you don't even know.

3. Take religion out of the world and if a person is good now, he will be a savage later on. Why? cause a religious person fears god, remove god from the picture and you have a person who is scared of no one, to do whatever he wants and the world will be demolished in instants. A great example of that is, simply someone who believes in no god, fears no one. What the fuck will stop him from doing anything to anyone? The law? Last I checked the law is actually the ones who begin wars not stop them unless they got what they were looking for, which is usually something profitable/damaging to nature's existence. If you really believe that violence comes from religion, then you're as clueless as the next Atheist living from excuses not to believe, rather then understanding the meanings of religious actions.

4. No Atheists are ignorant because they don't understand how religion works, yet they judge it like they do. What you think because you're special? That god will drop Jesus or Prophet Muhammad from the sky and perform miracles like it was some kind of a special event on WWE for you to be entertained and believe? No sorry buddy but that's not how religion works. You want proof? go to Mecca, go to Karbala in Iraq, the Shrine of Imam Hussain. And you will realize how holy those places are just from the holy spiritual presence of it. People have seen miracles happen in front of there eyes, blind people have visited those places and have walked out seeing clear as crystal. People have gone there with wheelchairs and have had the ability to walk again. Doesn't happen to anyone no, this happens to people who believe in god, who are good people with good intentions. Now of course you're ignorant as fuck, you don't really care about "proof", you just don't like it so you start looking for ridiculous childish excuses and base your facts on a bunch of dumb fucks who don't have a good answer for life. The "proof" you look for has all been proved before, but what do you do? you still nag and bitch about not seeing any proof cause like I said, you're ignorant as fuck and a waste of human flesh.

I'm done explaining to this fool, fucking idiots pull a smart guy act yet they're dumber then a motherfucker. You think cause you know words or know how to read well all of a sudden you're smart? Dumb ass, you're like a nerd in class that only reads about life, hasn't actually experienced it. Go have an orgasm over a neutron touching a proton and shut the fuck up bitch.

[EminemBase]

^ lmfao. I haven't even got the energy to respond to that fucking nonsense.

It's self-evident. Anybody who half a brain about them who reads that will be able to tell what a witless, idiotic tool you are. It exposes itself.

You're a moron of death-defying odds.

Basing my evidence on a bald guy with a computer? LMFAO. Do you realise how ridiculous you sound.

NO I base my evidence on scientific fact. Evolution for example, try molecular DNA and fossils. You dick.

Where as you base your 'evidence' on nothing. Blind faith. A book. Children can even see that every story of The Bible is myth. Even priests aknowledge this. Why do you think every religion has the same threads? (virgin birth, three kings etc.) HAHAHA, you numbskull.

[Xray]

^ lmfao. I haven't even got the energy to respond to that fucking nonsense.

It's self-evident. Anybody who half a brain about them who reads that will be able to tell what a witless, idiotic tool you are. It exposes itself.

You're a moron of death-defying odds.

Basing my evidence on a bald guy with a computer? LMFAO. Do you realise how ridiculous you sound.

NO I base my evidence on scientific fact. Evolution for example, try molecular DNA and fossils. You dick.

Where as you base your 'evidence' on nothing. Blind faith. A book. Children can even see that every story of The Bible is myth. Even priests aknowledge this. Why do you think every religion has the same threads? (virgin birth, three kings etc.) HAHAHA, you numbskull.

Would love to see you face to face, that would be awesome. But this IS the cyberspace so get your star wars game on all you want buddy just don't point that laser gun on me, or my religion.

Numbskull? you're the coward who's in deep fear to believe because you're a pussy, you numbnut. Seriously though, this time I'm out for real. Coward.