Ignorance

[RealSickLindley]

Religion and Science are as stubborn and aggressive, i'll admit that.

While Religion can get really defensive, the whole point of Science is to have your own theories and opinions, and make sure they get believed over everyone elses.. A bit like.. Oh yeah.. Religion..

Why have all the big discoveries had massive opposition? Cos people didn't want to admit they were wrong, they didn't want someone else to make the big breakthrough..

Not so open minded.. But as PINK said.. let's get back on subject..

No Science is not agressive or stubborn. AT ALL. If it was, it would be impossible for it to have progressed and continue to progress at the rate it does. Religion is stubborn that's why it hasn't progressed even the slightest in thousands of years.

They're incompatiable and totaly different. There's stubborn and aggressive people but Science is all about trying to discover the TRUTH. The truth that is based on the proven laws of nature, that we know are real, unless we're dreaming.

Where as Religion is all about believing something for its sake, not questioning that belief and damning anybody who dares challenge it.

When a new scientific theory is presented, scientists obsessively try to prove it wrong. They test and test, debate and debate, question and question. Then they view the results, repeat process. Then the outcome gets put through peer-reviews, one after another. Then pushed to the public for common scrutiny.

This is the definition of open-mindedness. Religion is the opposite of this. Religion still has the same ideas it started with. It refuses to count scientific evidence as value, declares itself outside of science, says it doesn't need proof but then expects people who value proof to take it seriously.

This is primitive thinking. Religion is progression's enemy.

This is gettin' repetitive..

[EminemBase]

^ Why bring it up then. Keep it for the god section.

[RealSickLindley]

I didn't, you did.

I just put across my point, and you wrote essays on the back of it, it's at that point i thought "what's the point".

I admit Religion is stubborn and defensive, but i believe Science is aswell in a different way.

Whilst you see Religion as "the enemy", so this is gonna go no where. Too much saving face.

[EminemBase]

I didn't, you did.

I just put across my point, and you wrote essays on the back of it, it's at that point i thought "what's the point".

I admit Religion is stubborn and defensive, but i believe Science is aswell in a different way.

Whilst you see Religion as "the enemy", so this is gonna go no where. Too much saving face.

No I never, I was agreeing with another members point about religion being born from ignorance. Again, not a debate on religion, this is related. A question as to whether it stems from ignorance, on-topic.

Then you started getting defensive, as is the way and tried flipping it.

I don't say religion is the enemy, I said it's the enemy of progression. You're taking words out of context and too literally.

There is no way Science can be aggressive and stubborn, it wouldn't progress or function. So it's not a case of 'admitting' it. Of course there are scientists within science that are that but science itself apposes this. Science always wants to move forward.

Religion doesn't. Religion doesn't want to debate, have its views challenge or find out the truth. It just wants to have it one way and that's that. That is the enemy of progression.

[RealSickLindley]

I didn't, you did.

I just put across my point, and you wrote essays on the back of it, it's at that point i thought "what's the point".

I admit Religion is stubborn and defensive, but i believe Science is aswell in a different way.

Whilst you see Religion as "the enemy", so this is gonna go no where. Too much saving face.

No I never, I was agreeing with another members point about religion being born from ignorance. Again, not a debate on religion, this is related. A question as to whether it stems from ignorance, on-topic.

Then you started getting defensive, as is the way and tried flipping it.

I don't say religion is the enemy, I said it's the enemy of progression. You're taking words out of context and too literally.

There is no way Science can be aggressive and stubborn, it wouldn't progress or function. So it's not a case of 'admitting' it. Of course there are scientists within science that are that but science itself apposes this. Science always wants to move forward.

Religion doesn't. Religion doesn't want to debate, have its views challenge or find out the truth. It just wants to have it one way and that's that. That is the enemy of progression.

Yeah well if you wanted it left to the "God thread" why did you add your emphasized opinion on to it?

And i didn't get defensive, and i did flip it, but because that has always been my view, i've always been able to admit religions faults, whilst science never has. I've been calm and put my view forward in a controlled and well written way. It was you that started throwing around big accusations, in massive rants, blaming lack of progression on peoples beliefs.

I knew what you meant, and i'm sorry that me putting it in shorter words than you did offended you.

Even my science teacher admitted that science was built on peoples personal ambitions.. If everyone would have looked at every theory open mindedly and thought "ok, let's try it out and see", then half of the inventions and discoveries would have happened years and even decades sooner. Science, whilst searching for the truth, is as much of a rat race as religion, in "wanting to be right, and shunning opposition".

Religion doesn't want to debate, because it is a foundation, it has its rules and it's beliefs, you can't compare that to Science. However saying Religion can't progress is bullshit. If everyone followed the 10 commandments, would the Human race progress as societies and as moral individuals? Of course it would.

It's just in this world Science is the "new" religion.. It's not cool to belive in God, kids get bullied for it. Whilst it would've happened the same but the other way round hundreds of years ago, or even a certain amount of decades. Imagination, belief and faith are being stamped out of children from a young age in favour of knowing and seeing.. So which one is being Aggressive in that instance?

[EminemBase]

^ Lmao this is nonsense.

What do you mean saying religion cannot progress is bullshit? IT HASN'T. For thousands of years.

Where as Science, in the past 100 alone has given us planes, TVs, ipods, cars, you fucking name it. I'd say that's pretty rapid progression. And if it wasn't for Science being OPEN to debate and NOT stubborn, irrational belief then they simply could not have come up with any of these things.

So you're wrong plain and simple.

As for the 10 commandments. They're hijacked philopshy. Wanna know what happens to societies that follow religion? Take a look at the middle east. Know the most peaceful, least violent societies on planet Earth? = The most atheist-driven. The ones who ditch religion the most = Denmark, Sweeden etc. = Fact.

Also it doesn't make sense to say Science is the "new" religion. Religion by definition means belief in a supernatural power. Irrational belief. Belief in the supernatural. Again, the opposite of Science.

No Science is not as much of a rat-race as religion. Don't even give religion that much, it's not a rat-race. It's a Slooth. It's a stand-still. It's a never-changing, ever-destructive, non-progressing set of warped organizations run by delusional old bats who exploit the sheep.

Your opinion makes no sense. If Science was like that, I couldn't be sat here typing to you. Done.

[RealSickLindley]

I dont think you're quite understanding what i'm getting at, what i'm taking away from Religion, and what i'm giving praise to Science for.

You're just seeing me give some facts about the politics behind Science, speak about how in another sense i think Religion can make progression.. And you just spazz out on your keyboard of rage, bringing up different points, which i never even mentioned or questioned. And at the same time, being totally disrespectful to Religion in general, which is pretty ignorant in its self, and not something i'd do..

I can't see this going anywhere, cos i can tell you're already getting a bit stressed and aggressive over someone having different opinions to you, even if they do put them across in a polite and nice way.. Which is funnily enough what "religious people" get accused of lol

But it's not just from this that i know i won't be able to debate with you.. You're obviously a poster that will effortlessly brush off something massive in favour of his opinion.. As proved by comparing Eminems beats to the career of Dre Not relevant i know, but shows me what kind of poster i'm talking to.. Every post seems to be putting someone elses opinion down (which in a fan forum of the same artist, is an achievement of sorts), writing an essay, whilst displaying the silver spoon poking out of your arse

I know you'll respond to this, but i don't wanna spoil PINK's thread anymore, cos this is going no where, too much conflict between the subjects, but especially the posters

Sorry again PINK lovely delete it all if you want, wouldn't blame ya Nice Thread btw

[EminemBase]

^ No I'll just respond quickly with my last words...

You keep making points which defy logic, which I then refute with logic, which you then fail to process into your big pink brain lump and then accuse me of not understanding your angle.

I understand perfectly what you have said and are saying. And I refute it.

Goodbye.